The 11.7 Baseball Scholarship Myth

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Here's a story discussing the struggles of private schools. it's not a perfect comp to TU, but interesting IMO.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/ ... l:trending

"By stressing health sciences, business, and engineering over humanities and by tailoring its financial aid to attract high school graduates that best fit the small school, Merrimack has managed to boost student enrollment, build facilities, and stabilize its finances."

“I’m not as pessimistic as most people,” Hopey said last week. “The key is to look different than others.”

"The solution at Merrimack has been multifold but has focused on shifting from the basic liberal arts track to one geared toward degrees with clearer job prospects in the current economy."

"Science, technology, engineering, and mathematics, called STEM fields, have become increasingly popular at colleges and universities nationwide as budget-conscious students gravitate to degrees most likely to land them jobs after graduation."

Loyola NOLA is in real rough shape. You can only trim so much fat, it feels like they are headed for a slow death. Could be huge for Tulane.


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mbawavefan12 wrote: Loyola NOLA is in real rough shape. You can only trim so much fat, it feels like they are headed for a slow death. Could be huge for Tulane.
Ideally, yes, but, even if Loyola Nola ceased to exist, it wouldn't have that much of an effect on Tulane since:
(1) Loyola has lower quality student body than Tulane and Tulane isn't going to lower its standards to capture students that currently choose to attend Loyola because doing so would be sacrificing its US news rank
(2) Tulane doesn't have the housing capacity to capture all of those students even if it wanted to given Freshmen and Sophomores have to live on campus if they are not from nearby (63% of Loyola is out of state), and, even if Tulane wanted them and acquired Loyola's campus, it is unlikely that Tulane would be interested in acquiring most of Loyola's professors due to quality (lower standards), relevance (major/department not offered), and redundancy issues (existing higher quality professors that teach the topic)
(3) Tulane already doesn't require an application fee, so students that were interested in both institutions or were just interested in attending college in NOLA likely already submit an application to both and
(4) the most popular majors between the two institutions do not intersect that much, as, according to US News, the most popular majors at Loyola New Orleans are Psychology, General, Music Management, Criminology and Creative Writing while the the most poplar majors at Tulane are Business (and related majors), Social Sciences, Biological and Biomedical Sciences, Health Professions and Psychology.

There is some potential for Tulane if Loyola closed, but it wouldn't be as much of an impact to Tulane as some may think.
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Aberzombie1892 wrote:
mbawavefan12 wrote: Loyola NOLA is in real rough shape. You can only trim so much fat, it feels like they are headed for a slow death. Could be huge for Tulane.
Ideally, yes, but, even if Loyola Nola ceased to exist, it wouldn't have that much of an effect on Tulane since:
(1) Loyola has lower quality student body than Tulane and Tulane isn't going to lower its standards to capture students that currently choose to attend Loyola because doing so would be sacrificing its US news rank
(2) Tulane doesn't have the housing capacity to capture all of those students even if it wanted to given Freshmen and Sophomores have to live on campus if they are not from nearby (63% of Loyola is out of state), and, even if Tulane wanted them and acquired Loyola's campus, it is unlikely that Tulane would be interested in acquiring most of Loyola's professors due to quality (lower standards), relevance (major/department not offered), and redundancy issues (existing higher quality professors that teach the topic)
(3) Tulane already doesn't require an application fee, so students that were interested in both institutions or were just interested in attending college in NOLA likely already submit an application to both and
(4) the most popular majors between the two institutions do not intersect that much, as, according to US News, the most popular majors at Loyola New Orleans are Psychology, General, Music Management, Criminology and Creative Writing while the the most poplar majors at Tulane are Business (and related majors), Social Sciences, Biological and Biomedical Sciences, Health Professions and Psychology.

There is some potential for Tulane if Loyola closed, but it wouldn't be as much of an impact to Tulane as some may think.
Huge for only one reason, gaining significant land on a landlocked TU campus. Adding tons of parking and opening up space for a new Bball arena. Don't care at all about their students. The only other added benefit is that apparently Loyola does have a very good Law library tmk.
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mbawavefan12 wrote:
Huge for only one reason, gaining significant land on a landlocked TU campus. Adding tons of parking and opening up space for a new Bball arena. Don't care at all about their students. The only other added benefit is that apparently Loyola does have a very good Law library tmk.

This was the first thing that came to my mind as well. Land, land, land. New bball arena, relocate Turchin and the Wilson Center and expand Yulman.
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That land aint gonna be cheap.
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ajcalhoun wrote:That land aint gonna be cheap.
Doesn't the Catholic Church own the land that Loyola is on? If so, it seems unlikely that they would sell it for a discount, and, given the prime location of the land, it will be worth a lot of money. If even it was up for sale, Tulane probably couldn't afford it without taking on a notable amount of debt.
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ajcalhoun wrote:That land aint gonna be cheap.
Doesn't the Catholic Church own the land that Loyola is on? If so, it seems unlikely that they would sell it for a discount, and, given the prime location of the land, it will be worth a lot of money. If even it was up for sale, Tulane probably couldn't afford it without taking on a notable amount of debt.
Yes land is extremely expensive in that area in general, probably the most expensive land in the city. But who (besides Tulane) would be a buyer? A developer would have to go about tearing down the place for housing. I don;t think the NIMBY's would ever allow for commercial development and hell I don't know how they could ever get approval for a condo complex. Maybe a Newman would be interested. Tulane would be the only buyer who could utilize the existing assets besides Newman, who would have to drastically increase enrollment to justify the expense. No charter school could afford those assets. It's an interesting discussion.
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Maybe some of our students just just got lucky.
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mbawavefan12 wrote:Yes land is extremely expensive in that area in general, probably the most expensive land in the city. But who (besides Tulane) would be a buyer? A developer would have to go about tearing down the place for housing. I don;t think the NIMBY's would ever allow for commercial development and hell I don't know how they could ever get approval for a condo complex. Maybe a Newman would be interested. Tulane would be the only buyer who could utilize the existing assets besides Newman, who would have to drastically increase enrollment to justify the expense. No charter school could afford those assets. It's an interesting discussion.
Assuming that it would be up for sale, the most likely purchasers would be for profit universities, another church (for church+school), the state, and Tulane. The problem with Tulane buying it beyond that price is that Tulane has no use for a lot of it since it cannot realistically capture a notable amount of the students that normally attend Loyola and it wouldn't make sense to buy it and destroy the valuable historically significant buildings (assuming that it could legally do so) in order to change the use of the land.

In theory, a private employer could also be interested in the property, but Louisiana in general is not attracting the types of employers that would need their own campus.
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mbawavefan12 wrote:Yes land is extremely expensive in that area in general, probably the most expensive land in the city. But who (besides Tulane) would be a buyer? A developer would have to go about tearing down the place for housing. I don;t think the NIMBY's would ever allow for commercial development and hell I don't know how they could ever get approval for a condo complex. Maybe a Newman would be interested. Tulane would be the only buyer who could utilize the existing assets besides Newman, who would have to drastically increase enrollment to justify the expense. No charter school could afford those assets. It's an interesting discussion.
Assuming that it would be up for sale, the most likely purchasers would be for profit universities, another church (for church+school), the state, and Tulane. The problem with Tulane buying it beyond that price is that Tulane has no use for a lot of it since it cannot realistically capture a notable amount of the students that normally attend Loyola and it wouldn't make sense to buy it and destroy the valuable historically significant buildings (assuming that it could legally do so) in order to change the use of the land.

In theory, a private employer could also be interested in the property, but Louisiana in general is not attracting the types of employers that would need their own campus.
I remember the days when the "Fieldhouse" was n longer in use and Tulane made an offer to purchase the land and building... Loyola would not even take a phone call...I think it is now a parking garage
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It is now a recreational facility and parking garage.
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11.7 is not enough. At least 17.5 which would allow for 1/2 baseball scholarship for everyone and you should be able to stack whatever else you can scrape up.
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Show Me wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:46 pm 11.7 is not enough. At least 17.5 which would allow for 1/2 baseball scholarship for everyone and you should be able to stack whatever else you can scrape up.
You would have to add the same amount of women’s scholarships, hence running a freakin joke bowling program like the current situation. Already added beach volleyball, what other joke sport can TU add? Think about how silly the situation is that in order to run a competitive football program TU has to run a freakin bowling team, so ridiculous
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Maybe there is hope:

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories ... ent-talks/

A scholarship for every roster spot which is currently 32 that can receive scholarship money.
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winwave wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 3:40 pm Maybe there is hope:

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories ... ent-talks/

A scholarship for every roster spot which is currently 32 that can receive scholarship money.

Let’s hope Tulane doesn’t go this route :
Schools would not be required to offer whatever the new scholarship limit would be, just as some schools today do not offer the full 11.7 scholarships for baseball. But the major powers would have potentially nearly tripled the number of scholarships they could offer. That would likely lead to a further concentration of power in the sport and make competition in those leagues even fiercer. That would probably lead to a push to separate baseball into subdivisions, like football. The downstream effects would be massive.
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First off this has to come to fruition and then we'll see what Tulane does. it's the one sport with good facilities that they have invested in so you'd think they would go for it. We'll see.
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winwave wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 4:17 pm First off this has to come to fruition and then we'll see what Tulane does. it's the one sport with good facilities that they have invested in so you'd think they would go for it. We'll see.
Well they allowed pay for a 3rd assistant and Tulane declined to pay. Yes we’ll see.
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tpstulane wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 4:25 pm
winwave wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 4:17 pm First off this has to come to fruition and then we'll see what Tulane does. it's the one sport with good facilities that they have invested in so you'd think they would go for it. We'll see.
Well they allowed pay for a 3rd assistant and Tulane declined to pay. Yes we’ll see.
That changed at least last year if not the year before. They now get paid.
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winwave wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 6:15 pm
tpstulane wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 4:25 pm
winwave wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 4:17 pm First off this has to come to fruition and then we'll see what Tulane does. it's the one sport with good facilities that they have invested in so you'd think they would go for it. We'll see.
Well they allowed pay for a 3rd assistant and Tulane declined to pay. Yes we’ll see.
That changed at least last year if not the year before. They now get paid.
Lol. It was only approved last year. And the answer is NO. Tulane does not pay its 3rd assistant. Don’t even argue here because you are wrong. He’s not paid.
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We no longer list anyone as a volunteer assistant. That's always been the case in the past. So you can make your claim but I'm not buying it as your info. is often wrong.
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Unpaid assistant. Volunteer went away. Just ask anyone on the staff. I’m not going to argue. You are wrong here.
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A school with a boatload of equity and cannot pay its 3rd assistant. Things athletically are really changing.
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arkhou02 wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 2:22 pm A school with a boatload of equity and cannot pay its 3rd assistant. Things athletically are really changing.
Hopefully Harris gets it done next season.
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