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I'm about at the point of dropping ESPN+ as well. I can always pirate a feed of a game if I really want to see it.


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RobertM320 wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:09 pm I'm about at the point of dropping ESPN+ as well. I can always pirate a feed of a game if I really want to see it.
I’m going to get it for baseball months. That’s it. Not going to pay the yearly fee to fund P5 money.
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Disney is losing more money from DisneY+ due to the costs of their Marvel programming.
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The article said:


"Disney is making more money from cable subscribers than any other company solely because of ESPN. ESPN and sister network ESPN2 charge nearly $10 per month combined, while Disney requires pay-TV providers to include ESPN as part of their most popular cable packages."

ESPN+ also had a huge increase in subscribers. I don't care for how they and the other networks are ruining college sports but it just keeps growing.
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winwave wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:56 pm The article said:


"Disney is making more money from cable subscribers than any other company solely because of ESPN. ESPN and sister network ESPN2 charge nearly $10 per month combined, while Disney requires pay-TV providers to include ESPN as part of their most popular cable packages."

ESPN+ also had a huge increase in subscribers. I don't care for how they and the other networks are ruining college sports but it just keeps growing.
The subs increased as a result of the bundle. With Hulu and Disney+. Get those two and you get ESPN+ free.
The cable subs have been decreasing each year since 2011 as more people cut cable.
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More people cut cable but buy the streaming version.

The company reported $640 million in operating income for that segment, missing analyst figures of $890 million.

Making money just not as much as hoped for.
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winwave wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:11 pm More people cut cable but buy the streaming version.

The company reported $640 million in operating income for that segment, missing analyst figures of $890 million.

Making money just not as much as hoped for.
Way overpaying for sports programming


Losing money net due to the high sports programming costs.
It’s unsustainable. If they do spin off I guess the betting aspect will give them additional money to pay for the live sports. I would imagine each game they broadcast they’ll have a way to bet it on the screen which would definitely be interesting.
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RobertM320 wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:09 pm I'm about at the point of dropping ESPN+ as well. I can always pirate a feed of a game if I really want to see it.
I have the bundle because of family using our login etc. I’ll drop that if they jack that price up again.
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tpstulane wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:18 pm
winwave wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:11 pm More people cut cable but buy the streaming version.

The company reported $640 million in operating income for that segment, missing analyst figures of $890 million.

Making money just not as much as hoped for.
Way overpaying for sports programming


Losing money net due to the high sports programming costs.
It’s unsustainable. If they do spin off I guess the betting aspect will give them additional money to pay for the live sports. I would imagine each game they broadcast they’ll have a way to bet it on the screen which would definitely be interesting.
And before long, we’re going to see betting on individual plays, or will this pitcher finish the inning? The betting will grow exponentially.
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tpstulane wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:18 pm
winwave wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:11 pm More people cut cable but buy the streaming version.

The company reported $640 million in operating income for that segment, missing analyst figures of $890 million.

Making money just not as much as hoped for.
Way overpaying for sports programming


Losing money net due to the high sports programming costs.
It’s unsustainable. If they do spin off I guess the betting aspect will give them additional money to pay for the live sports. I would imagine each game they broadcast they’ll have a way to bet it on the screen which would definitely be interesting.
And before long, we’re going to see betting on individual plays, or will this pitcher finish the inning? The betting will grow exponentially.
Yes. No end to that. Or bet on balls and strikes. Crazy to imagine.
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I work Shotlink for 3 PGA events each season and just got back from the FedEx St. Jude. One of our responsibilities is to quickly input data on a computer tablet which is used for online gambling purposes.. Currently there is a great deal of online gambling with golf. You can bet on whether a player will hit the green in regulation, whether his drive will hit the fairway, and if he will make par or birdie. After each shot, we have ten seconds to input data. We also have to sign affidavits certifying that we are not betting on golf, have no gambling convictions and have no family members working in the gaming industries.

ESPN+ streams nearly all PGA events and is profiting from the interest in gambling.
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GreenLantern wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:57 am I work Shotlink for 3 PGA events each season and just got back from the FedEx St. Jude. One of our responsibilities is to quickly input data on a computer tablet which is used for online gambling purposes.. Currently there is a great deal of online gambling with golf. You can bet on whether a player will hit the green in regulation, whether his drive will hit the fairway, and if he will make par or birdie. After each shot, we have ten seconds to input data. We also have to sign affidavits certifying that we are not betting on golf, have no gambling convictions and have no family members working in the gaming industries.

ESPN+ streams nearly all PGA events and is profiting from the interest in gambling.
Many want casino-like action these days on anything. Amazing the potential for live stream gambling with just a click while watching. Once online gambling was approved it let the cat out the bag and there’s no going back.
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GreenLantern wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:57 am I work Shotlink for 3 PGA events each season and just got back from the FedEx St. Jude. One of our responsibilities is to quickly input data on a computer tablet which is used for online gambling purposes.. Currently there is a great deal of online gambling with golf. You can bet on whether a player will hit the green in regulation, whether his drive will hit the fairway, and if he will make par or birdie. After each shot, we have ten seconds to input data. We also have to sign affidavits certifying that we are not betting on golf, have no gambling convictions and have no family members working in the gaming industries.

ESPN+ streams nearly all PGA events and is profiting from the interest in gambling.
GL...Besides Memphis, what events do you work, any in Texas ?
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GreenLantern wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:57 am I work Shotlink for 3 PGA events each season and just got back from the FedEx St. Jude. One of our responsibilities is to quickly input data on a computer tablet which is used for online gambling purposes.. Currently there is a great deal of online gambling with golf. You can bet on whether a player will hit the green in regulation, whether his drive will hit the fairway, and if he will make par or birdie. After each shot, we have ten seconds to input data. We also have to sign affidavits certifying that we are not betting on golf, have no gambling convictions and have no family members working in the gaming industries.

ESPN+ streams nearly all PGA events and is profiting from the interest in gambling.
Fascinating. How do they know when to stop taking bets before each player takes their next shot? Is there some whiz bang system that can immediately lock out any bets at the moment just before the player hits his ball? The same question would apply to baseball, how are bets locked out just before the pitcher throws his next pitch?
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golfnut69 wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:28 am
GreenLantern wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:57 am I work Shotlink for 3 PGA events each season and just got back from the FedEx St. Jude. One of our responsibilities is to quickly input data on a computer tablet which is used for online gambling purposes.. Currently there is a great deal of online gambling with golf. You can bet on whether a player will hit the green in regulation, whether his drive will hit the fairway, and if he will make par or birdie. After each shot, we have ten seconds to input data. We also have to sign affidavits certifying that we are not betting on golf, have no gambling convictions and have no family members working in the gaming industries.

ESPN+ streams nearly all PGA events and is profiting from the interest in gambling.
GL...Besides Memphis, what events do you work, any in Texas ?
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GreenLantern wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:57 am I work Shotlink for 3 PGA events each season and just got back from the FedEx St. Jude. One of our responsibilities is to quickly input data on a computer tablet which is used for online gambling purposes.. Currently there is a great deal of online gambling with golf. You can bet on whether a player will hit the green in regulation, whether his drive will hit the fairway, and if he will make par or birdie. After each shot, we have ten seconds to input data. We also have to sign affidavits certifying that we are not betting on golf, have no gambling convictions and have no family members working in the gaming industries.

ESPN+ streams nearly all PGA events and is profiting from the interest in gambling.
Fascinating. How do they know when to stop taking bets before each player takes their next shot? Is there some whiz bang system that can immediately lock out any bets at the moment just before the player hits his ball? The same question would apply to baseball, how are bets locked out just before the pitcher throws his next pitch?
A walking scorer accompanies each group with a handheld computer. When a player addresses the ball, she inputs 'player ready'. This also tells the Shotlink personnel downrange whose ball is incoming. When the player swings and makes contact, she inputs 'ball in the air'. It is my understanding that this is the step that freezes all bets.

After a ball has come to rest, if the player's shot is obstructed in any manner (e.g. a tree limb might force him to hit his next shot as a low punch), the Shotlink staffer marks the shot as officially 'Obstructed' and that freezes all bets for people that might be gambling on whether the player hits the green in regulation.

We also indicate whether the player is hitting his next shot from the first or second cut. I'm sure this affects betting but I'm not sure how (other than whether the player hit the fairway on the previous shot).

The second Shotlink staffer is shooting each ball with a laser to determine exact position. When you heard the television announcer state that Will Zalatoris' drive was 289 yards on hole 16 (after hitting a tree and bouncing back to the fairway), it was my laser shot that gave them the exact numbers.

BTW, Zalatoris proceeded to birdie the hole because of the lucky break. IMHO, this was the turning point that got him into the playoff with Strakka.
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GreenLantern wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:32 pm
HoustonWave wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:24 pm
GreenLantern wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:57 am I work Shotlink for 3 PGA events each season and just got back from the FedEx St. Jude. One of our responsibilities is to quickly input data on a computer tablet which is used for online gambling purposes.. Currently there is a great deal of online gambling with golf. You can bet on whether a player will hit the green in regulation, whether his drive will hit the fairway, and if he will make par or birdie. After each shot, we have ten seconds to input data. We also have to sign affidavits certifying that we are not betting on golf, have no gambling convictions and have no family members working in the gaming industries.

ESPN+ streams nearly all PGA events and is profiting from the interest in gambling.
Fascinating. How do they know when to stop taking bets before each player takes their next shot? Is there some whiz bang system that can immediately lock out any bets at the moment just before the player hits his ball? The same question would apply to baseball, how are bets locked out just before the pitcher throws his next pitch?
A walking scorer accompanies each group with a handheld computer. When a player addresses the ball, she inputs 'player ready'. This also tells the Shotlink personnel downrange whose ball is incoming. When the player swings and makes contact, she inputs 'ball in the air'. It is my understanding that this is the step that freezes all bets.

After a ball has come to rest, if the player's shot is obstructed in any manner (e.g. a tree limb might force him to hit his next shot as a low punch), the Shotlink staffer marks the shot as officially 'Obstructed' and that freezes all bets for people that might be gambling on whether the player hits the green in regulation.

We also indicate whether the player is hitting his next shot from the first or second cut. I'm sure this affects betting but I'm not sure how (other than whether the player hit the fairway on the previous shot).

The second Shotlink staffer is shooting each ball with a laser to determine exact position. When you heard the television announcer state that Will Zalatoris' drive was 289 yards on hole 16 (after hitting a tree and bouncing back to the fairway), it was my laser shot that gave them the exact numbers.

BTW, Zalatoris proceeded to birdie the hole because of the lucky break. IMHO, this was the turning point that got him into the playoff with Strakka.
Thanks Lantern, that’s really interesting how it’s done. Does the “walking staffer” follow an assigned foursome? While the down range Shotlinkers are assigned to each hole?
Does Shotlink contract with all the major betting companies to provide this service? Any Shotlink competitors? Sorry about all the questions, but this is really interesting stuff. I can see how baseball would be much easier to execute than golf.
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GreenLantern wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:22 pm
golfnut69 wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:28 am
GreenLantern wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:57 am I work Shotlink for 3 PGA events each season and just got back from the FedEx St. Jude. One of our responsibilities is to quickly input data on a computer tablet which is used for online gambling purposes.. Currently there is a great deal of online gambling with golf. You can bet on whether a player will hit the green in regulation, whether his drive will hit the fairway, and if he will make par or birdie. After each shot, we have ten seconds to input data. We also have to sign affidavits certifying that we are not betting on golf, have no gambling convictions and have no family members working in the gaming industries.

ESPN+ streams nearly all PGA events and is profiting from the interest in gambling.
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HoustonWave wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:43 am Thanks Lantern, that’s really interesting how it’s done. Does the “walking staffer” follow an assigned foursome? While the down range Shotlinkers are assigned to each hole?
Does Shotlink contract with all the major betting companies to provide this service? Any Shotlink competitors? Sorry about all the questions, but this is really interesting stuff. I can see how baseball would be much easier to execute than golf.
A walking scorer is assigned to each group (usually a threesome on Thursday and Friday… reduced to a twosome on Saturday and Sunday).

On par 4s, there are two ShotLink personnel in the fairway (usually around 300 yds from the tee) and two more green side.

On par 5s, there are two additional ShotLink personnel in the fairway about 75 yards short of the green.

We have spotters assigned to each ShotLink position on each side of the fairway. If a player’s ball goes into the rough and we do not have a line-of-sight view of the ball, the spotter will stand within a foot or so of the ball, and we will laser their position… specifically, I willl shoot the spotter’s shirt.

ShotLink is a subsidiary of the PGA. I’m not certain how they share data with gaming companies. There are no competitors since these are PGA events and ShotLink is a division of the PGA.

We are essentially ‘electronic historians’ providing statistics for every shot recorded during tournaments. I believe the PGA sells subscriptions of the data to tour players so they can analyze their game: how many of my drives are missing the fairway and on which side? How does my driving distance compare to my peers? What is my average distance putt when my approach shot comes from 100 yards out? 150? 200? How many greens do I 1 putt?

The next time you watch a golf tournament, you may notice three 20-ft ‘antennas’ triangulated about the green. These are motion cameras that are constantly scanning the green for moving objects that it recognizes as a golf ball. When the walking scorer signals ‘ball-in-the-air’ for Jordan Spieth, the cameras will identify his ball movement if it lands on the green and will be able to triangulate it’s distance from the hole position within a fraction of an inch. On TV when Paul Azinger announces that Spieth has a 28ft, two inch putt which he makes 18% of the time, it comes from our data.
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GreenLantern wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:17 pm
HoustonWave wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:43 am Thanks Lantern, that’s really interesting how it’s done. Does the “walking staffer” follow an assigned foursome? While the down range Shotlinkers are assigned to each hole?
Does Shotlink contract with all the major betting companies to provide this service? Any Shotlink competitors? Sorry about all the questions, but this is really interesting stuff. I can see how baseball would be much easier to execute than golf.
A walking scorer is assigned to each group (usually a threesome on Thursday and Friday… reduced to a twosome on Saturday and Sunday).

On par 4s, there are two ShotLink personnel in the fairway (usually around 300 yds from the tee) and two more green side.

On par 5s, there are two additional ShotLink personnel in the fairway about 75 yards short of the green.

We have spotters assigned to each ShotLink position on each side of the fairway. If a player’s ball goes into the rough and we do not have a line-of-sight view of the ball, the spotter will stand within a foot or so of the ball, and we will laser their position… specifically, I willl shoot the spotter’s shirt.

ShotLink is a subsidiary of the PGA. I’m not certain how they share data with gaming companies. There are no competitors since these are PGA events and ShotLink is a division of the PGA.

We are essentially ‘electronic historians’ providing statistics for every shot recorded during tournaments. I believe the PGA sells subscriptions of the data to tour players so they can analyze their game: how many of my drives are missing the fairway and on which side? How does my driving distance compare to my peers? What is my average distance putt when my approach shot comes from 100 yards out? 150? 200? How many greens do I 1 putt?

The next time you watch a golf tournament, you may notice three 20-ft ‘antennas’ triangulated about the green. These are motion cameras that are constantly scanning the green for moving objects that it recognizes as a golf ball. When the walking scorer signals ‘ball-in-the-air’ for Jordan Spieth, the cameras will identify his ball movement if it lands on the green and will be able to triangulate it’s distance from the hole position within a fraction of an inch. On TV when Paul Azinger announces that Spieth has a 28ft, two inch putt which he makes 18% of the time, it comes from our data.
Great education there. Thanks GL. I bet you enjoy doing that also. How do you feel about LIV? Would you spot for them if asked?
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My problem with the bundle is there's no bundle for those that have Hulu TV. The bundle is basic Hulu movies plus Disney+ and ESPN+. I already have Hulu TV, which includes all the movies as well as live TV. So why no add on for people like me who only need D+ and E+?
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tpstulane wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:59 pm Great education there. Thanks GL. I bet you enjoy doing that also. How do you feel about LIV? Would you spot for them if asked?
I’m very, very appreciative of golf’s history and of the legacy of the all-time greats. I’d like to think that I would not work for LIV. I understand why current players have signed with them when tempted with generational wealth.

There is a pretty solid rumor that Hideki Matsuyama (number one player from Japan and former Master’s champion) has been offered 300 million to join LIV. That would bring all of golf-crazy Japan and much of the Orient to their group. Similarly, if Cameron Smith and Mark Leishman join LIV after the FedEx playoffs, that brings most of the Australian market.
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GreenLantern wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:17 pm
HoustonWave wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:43 am Thanks Lantern, that’s really interesting how it’s done. Does the “walking staffer” follow an assigned foursome? While the down range Shotlinkers are assigned to each hole?
Does Shotlink contract with all the major betting companies to provide this service? Any Shotlink competitors? Sorry about all the questions, but this is really interesting stuff. I can see how baseball would be much easier to execute than golf.
A walking scorer is assigned to each group (usually a threesome on Thursday and Friday… reduced to a twosome on Saturday and Sunday).

On par 4s, there are two ShotLink personnel in the fairway (usually around 300 yds from the tee) and two more green side.

On par 5s, there are two additional ShotLink personnel in the fairway about 75 yards short of the green.

We have spotters assigned to each ShotLink position on each side of the fairway. If a player’s ball goes into the rough and we do not have a line-of-sight view of the ball, the spotter will stand within a foot or so of the ball, and we will laser their position… specifically, I willl shoot the spotter’s shirt.

ShotLink is a subsidiary of the PGA. I’m not certain how they share data with gaming companies. There are no competitors since these are PGA events and ShotLink is a division of the PGA.

We are essentially ‘electronic historians’ providing statistics for every shot recorded during tournaments. I believe the PGA sells subscriptions of the data to tour players so they can analyze their game: how many of my drives are missing the fairway and on which side? How does my driving distance compare to my peers? What is my average distance putt when my approach shot comes from 100 yards out? 150? 200? How many greens do I 1 putt?

The next time you watch a golf tournament, you may notice three 20-ft ‘antennas’ triangulated about the green. These are motion cameras that are constantly scanning the green for moving objects that it recognizes as a golf ball. When the walking scorer signals ‘ball-in-the-air’ for Jordan Spieth, the cameras will identify his ball movement if it lands on the green and will be able to triangulate it’s distance from the hole position within a fraction of an inch. On TV when Paul Azinger announces that Spieth has a 28ft, two inch putt which he makes 18% of the time, it comes from our data.
Thanks again Lantern. I had no idea all that was going on. I'll definitely look for it next time I'm watching a PGA event. It all reminds me of an Olympic fundraiser I was at not long before the 1996 Olympics. I was talking with Bart Conner and Nadia Comaneci (sp), whose careers were behind them and they had started announcing gymnastic events. I told Conner that I was amazed at how well he knew the sport and could anticipate what the gymnast was going to do next. He thanked me, and then said "actually, we film the events, and then Nadia and I (still sitting in the NYC studios) get them the next day and overlay our comments which are then broadcast a day or two later--so I really don't have as good a crystal ball as many probably think." Now I also know how the golf announcers have such precise information, so fast.
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NFL going with Amazon for Thursday nights.
Amazon signs deal with DirecTV to air Thursday NFL games in bars, restaurants
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ESPN wants to be the hub of live sports streaming — even if it helps its rivals

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