2024 US News & World Rankings (tie) #73 Tulane University

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Ashley’s Stony Brook ranked higher 🫣
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/tu ... rsity-2029

In 2020 we were ranked #40 since then ranking standards have changed and we’ve struggled ever since to recover.


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A good friend of mine works at Tulane for 20 years . Told me Fitts said to them he dosen"t care about rankings he"s more about DEI . Thats what colleges are all about today my friend is retiring this year for that reason.
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krueman green wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:48 am A good friend of mine works at Tulane for 20 years . Told me Fitts said to them he dosen"t care about rankings he"s more about DEI . Thats what colleges are all about today my friend is retiring this year for that reason.
Bogus excuse for failure IMO.
Just look at the top 20. It’s all the usual schools. I bet they have equal DEI and are still ranked higher.
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I hear what you are saying but when the Pres. of the school dosn"t care this is what you get. Fitts well be gone in 2 years his contract is up . Iwas told his wife hates N.O. an cant wait to leave.
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tpstulane wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:55 am
krueman green wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:48 am A good friend of mine works at Tulane for 20 years . Told me Fitts said to them he dosen"t care about rankings he"s more about DEI . Thats what colleges are all about today my friend is retiring this year for that reason.
Bogus excuse for failure IMO.
Just look at the top 20. It’s all the usual schools. I bet they have equal DEI and are still ranked higher.
DEI....all state funded schools in Texas have that department closed, it is now as said on Shark Tank "Dead to Us"
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krueman green wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:11 am I hear what you are saying but when the Pres. of the school dosn"t care this is what you get. Fitts well be gone in 2 years his contract is up . Iwas told his wife hates N.O. an cant wait to leave.
Unfortunately parents and students evaluating schools go by this ranking. “Doesn’t care” doesn’t fly with alums and donors.
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tpstulane wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:38 am
krueman green wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:11 am I hear what you are saying but when the Pres. of the school dosn"t care this is what you get. Fitts well be gone in 2 years his contract is up . Iwas told his wife hates N.O. an cant wait to leave.
Unfortunately parents and students evaluating schools go by this ranking. “Doesn’t care” doesn’t fly with alums and donors.
We fell 30 places in one year because we are not "socially and economically diverse," very few Pell Grant students, etc.

That being said, I agree, it looks pretty bad, but in many ways the school has never been in better shape academically. USN&WR just "changed the rules" on us for how it now ranks universities. In a lot of ways an "indictment" of USN&WR itself for how it had been doing things for the last 40 years, that is, beginning in 1983 for first ranking colleges; as if to say, "We, USN&WR, were wrong for the past 40 years for university rankings but now we are correct?" :confused:
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DEI is on the wane in the real world. Universities and media usually feel they are intellectually and morally above the real world. We will see if DEI eventually declines with them as well.
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what the hell is a USNWR ?
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krueman green wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:48 am A good friend of mine works at Tulane for 20 years . Told me Fitts said to them he dosen"t care about rankings he"s more about DEI . Thats what colleges are all about today my friend is retiring this year for that reason.
DEI has already been completed discredited and will be a common theme of jokes in short future. Hopefully Fitts is not that stupid but most in that circle are.
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anEngineer wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:33 am DEI is on the wane in the real world. Universities and media usually feel they are intellectually and morally above the real world. We will see if DEI eventually declines with them as well.
Universities and media are the opposite of morally and intellectually superior in reality. Their perception is backwards
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is there anything wrong in the world that Fox News-addled boomers don't blame on DEI?
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bananax07 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:28 pm is there anything wrong in the world that Fox News-addled boomers don't blame on DEI?
at one time I watched CBS...Crap Broadcasting System and ABC, Azzholes Broadcasting Crap...and NBC, Nothin' But Crap.....and to think I am old enuff to remember the likes of Walter Cronkite getting emotional when announcing that JFK passed or as he watched the first man on the moon.... those days are gone.....the days of "indoctrinational' broadcasting are here, and what a waste of air time they all are, as is DEI
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golfnut69 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:10 pm
bananax07 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:28 pm is there anything wrong in the world that Fox News-addled boomers don't blame on DEI?
at one time I watched CBS...Crap Broadcasting System and ABC, Azzholes Broadcasting Crap...and NBC, Nothin' But Crap.....and to think I am old enuff to remember the likes of Walter Cronkite getting emotional when announcing that JFK passed or as he watched the first man on the moon.... those days are gone.....the days of "indoctrinational' broadcasting are here, and what a waste of air time they all are, as is DEI
Then don’t watch those stations so we don’t have to read you bitch about it on a college athletics message board.
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Here is the explanation for last year's 29 place drop in Tulane's USN&WR ranking:

"Recent modifications to the ranking formula were aimed at rewarding programs that emphasize social mobility and outcomes, U.S. News said, while eliminating factors that some educators complained in years past benefited wealthier schools and students."
https://www.nola.com/news/education/tul ... erformance.
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mbawavefan12 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:48 pm
golfnut69 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:10 pm
bananax07 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:28 pm is there anything wrong in the world that Fox News-addled boomers don't blame on DEI?
at one time I watched CBS...Crap Broadcasting System and ABC, Azzholes Broadcasting Crap...and NBC, Nothin' But Crap.....and to think I am old enuff to remember the likes of Walter Cronkite getting emotional when announcing that JFK passed or as he watched the first man on the moon.... those days are gone.....the days of "indoctrinational' broadcasting are here, and what a waste of air time they all are, as is DEI
Then don’t watch those stations so we don’t have to read you bitch about it on a college athletics message board.
I will respond to you , just as I did to the poster who noted "fox news"... which prompted my response...oh, I do not watch CNN, Communist News Network either.....
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krueman green wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:48 am A good friend of mine works at Tulane for 20 years . Told me Fitts said to them he dosen"t care about rankings he"s more about DEI . Thats what colleges are all about today my friend is retiring this year for that reason.
I wonder who your friend plans on voting for, it’s called confirmation bias. The percentage of African American students has not changed in the nearly 10 years he has been president, that’s the facts. There has been a lot of great infrastructure built. I don’t care what he has to do, but Tulane should not be outside the top 50. It’s a bull$hit list but it does matter big time to prospective students. The big issues are post graduation salary/jobs, 6 year grad rates and pell grants. IMO.
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bananax07 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:28 pm is there anything wrong in the world that Fox News-addled boomers don't blame on DEI?
all mainstream media is useless propaganda.
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mbawavefan12 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:48 pm
golfnut69 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:10 pm
bananax07 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:28 pm is there anything wrong in the world that Fox News-addled boomers don't blame on DEI?
at one time I watched CBS...Crap Broadcasting System and ABC, Azzholes Broadcasting Crap...and NBC, Nothin' But Crap.....and to think I am old enuff to remember the likes of Walter Cronkite getting emotional when announcing that JFK passed or as he watched the first man on the moon.... those days are gone.....the days of "indoctrinational' broadcasting are here, and what a waste of air time they all are, as is DEI
Then don’t watch those stations so we don’t have to read you bitch about it on a college athletics message board.

i am sure he does not watch any of that worthless drivel and he was not bitching. he was making a factual statement
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Gee, whatever happened to all that mindless fertilizer about CRT? Oh that's right -- it was replaced by mindless fertilizer about DEI. I guess CRT was too complicated for some to understand.
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The bigger concern may not be that we are ranked #73 among National Universities, but that were ranked #114 for Value Schools. Pay more and get less isn't a strong attraction.
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As others have noted, the reason for the rankings fall were changes to the methodology. Many of us here knew that that was coming based on how Tulane games the rankings - it made Tulane susceptible to changes to certain student quality related variables - test scores, gpa and student family income implications in the methodology. Like the similar falls of the med school, business school, and law school, there is no quick fix other than either a methodology change or a donation of $1 billion plus.

Separately, DEI isn’t the issue so it’s weird to see it brought up in this context. There is no need to virtue signal here.

Finally, the value rankings are still a reflection of Tulane not having enough money and Tulane focusing on merit scholarships to buy quantitative inputs. The challenge is Tulane doesn’t have enough money to compete at the level it aspires to compete at.
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To really be functional and promoting DEI, we should eliminate sports that seperate ones with ducks and ones that don’t require a dick.
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Spell check sucks. Dick not duck
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Actually, had we done more on DEI would’ve been higher in the rankings. Did you actually look at how the methodology of the rankings changed? The reason for DEI at places like Harvard, is to compensate for all of the legacy admissions they give out. There aren’t a lot of minorities getting legacy admissions - Pure happenstance, I know.
They also reduced things that Tulane is good at such as class size; but they kept things at Tulane, isn’t nearly as good at such as student teacher ratios, which favor the super rich schools, who hire a lot of professors who don’t teach.
But yeah, let’s blame everything on the bogeyman du jour.
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