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Tulane wins at Cincinnati, Tulane hosts conference championship.

UCF beats USF then they advance to visit Tulane for conference championship. UCF loses to USF then Cincinnati visits Tulane for conference championship.

Tulane loses at Cincinnati (Tulane with two conference losses), visits Cincinnati (if UCF loses) for conference championship. We would hold head to head against UCF and Houston.
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austxwave wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:39 pm Tulane wins at Cincinnati, Tulane hosts conference championship.

UCF beats USF then they advance to visit Tulane for conference championship. UCF loses to USF then Cincinnati visits Tulane for conference championship.

Tulane loses at Cincinnati (Tulane with two conference losses), visits Cincinnati for conference championship. We would hold head to head against UCF and Houston.
I’m assuming UCF will beat USF but
we lost to UCF so I don’t see how we hold that head to head
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We need to win. As much as I want USF to win the final rivalry game as UCF leaves the conference, it's not gonna happen.

We need to win. Period.
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tpstulane wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:42 pm
austxwave wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:39 pm Tulane wins at Cincinnati, Tulane hosts conference championship.

UCF beats USF then they advance to visit Tulane for conference championship. UCF loses to USF then Cincinnati visits Tulane for conference championship.

Tulane loses at Cincinnati (Tulane with two conference losses), visits Cincinnati for conference championship. We would hold head to head against UCF and Houston.
We lost to UCF we don’t hold that head to head
I had to edit (I left out the part of UCF losing to USF which in that scenario we would advance)
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austxwave wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:43 pm
tpstulane wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:42 pm
austxwave wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:39 pm Tulane wins at Cincinnati, Tulane hosts conference championship.

UCF beats USF then they advance to visit Tulane for conference championship. UCF loses to USF then Cincinnati visits Tulane for conference championship.

Tulane loses at Cincinnati (Tulane with two conference losses), visits Cincinnati for conference championship. We would hold head to head against UCF and Houston.
We lost to UCF we don’t hold that head to head
I had to edit (I left out the part of UCF losing to USF which in that scenario we would advance)
Yes. That would be a longshot. We really need to win our game and not count on anyone else.
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Win and we host. Thats all we need to know. 1-0 this week.
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RobertM320 wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:48 pm Win and we host. Thats all we need to know. 1-0 this week.
Tulane beats cincy Tulane hosts, becasue they only have one conference loss, UCF will have two conference loses...I may be wrong, but the AAC system is the two highest ranked teams within the conference, play for the Championship, not how the bcs, ap, upi. espn or coaches have them ranked
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Actually, ranking in the CFP DOES matter.:


The way I see it at this point, if we end up beating Cincinnati: There's a potential three-way tie for second. Since the CCG is the following week, you have to go to section 7.5 for the tiebreaking procedure. This weeks upcoming CFP rankings will determine the opponent. Since UCF lost, I'd have to think CIN would be ranked and UCF maybe not at all. But 7.5.1 says that team needs to have won their game, and CIN would have lost. So then they go to 7.5.2 and they use a composite ranking to see who of CIN, UCF and HTN would be our opponent.

If we were to lose to CIN, CIN would host, and we'd be in the three way tie with UCF and HTN. Since no one would have beaten both teams, we'd go to 7.5.1. We would have been the highest ranked team, but we would have lost, so it goes to 7.5.2, which goes back to that composite ranking. Which could mean, since we've been ranked higher than all those teams and a loss to CIN wouldn't be a bad loss, we could possibly still end up being the visiting team in the CCG which would be hosted by CIN. (Note: at this time all 4 of the rankings used in the composite have UCF ahead of us, but thats before a loss to Navy. Houston isn't close in any of them, so is realistically out of the running).

Confusing, I know.


https://theamerican.org/documents/2020/ ... proved.pdf


7.1. If more than two teams tie for first or second place, the tiebreaker procedures will be applied separately to
identify the two participants in the championship game.
7.2. If only two teams remain tied after any step in the tiebreaking process, the two-team tie procedures shall
be used to break the tie.
7.3. The Conference records of the tied teams are compared in a mini round-robin format. If, within the mini
round-robin, any of the tied teams did not play each other, the group of teams shall remain tied, unless
one team defeated all other tied teams.
7.4. The team that has the highest College Football Playoff Selection Committee Rankings (CFP) shall be a
Championship Game participant: The latest available CFP Rankings will be used to break ties (see Item 5). If
a team or teams lose in the final weekend of the Conference season to create a tie and there are
subsequent CFP rankings, those rankings will be used to break ties.
7.5. If the regular season ends and the Championship Game is scheduled for the next Saturday, then the
following tiebreaker procedures will be used;

7.5.1.If the highest-ranked of the tied teams in the latest available CFP Selection Committee rankings wins
in the final weekend of regular season Conference play, it will be declared a Championship Game
participant.
7.5.2.If the highest-ranked of the tied teams in the latest available CFP Selection Committee rankings
loses in the final weekend of regular season Conference play, then a composite average of selected
computer rankings (Anderson & Hester, Billingsley, Colley and Wolfe) will be used to determine the
Championship Game participants;
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This sounds like something that the Tulane Law school must figure out.
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In simple terms
If we and UH both lose it will be UC vs UCF (assuming UCF beats USF)

If we lose and UH and UCF win and it’s a 3 way tie we go to the title game but on the road vs UC.

If we win of course we host.
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tpstulane wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:41 pm In simple terms
If we and UH both lose it will be UC vs UCF (assuming UCF beats USF)

If we lose and UH and UCF win and it’s a 3 way tie we go to the title game but on the road vs UC.

If we win of course we host.
I like your participation criteria better than Robert’s. If you are correct, and both UH and UCF win, then we’re in the CCG (even if we should lose to Cincy)? There’s a very good chance that both UH and UCF win their games against Tulsa and USF, respectively.
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GreenLantern wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:15 pm
tpstulane wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:41 pm In simple terms
If we and UH both lose it will be UC vs UCF (assuming UCF beats USF)

If we lose and UH and UCF win and it’s a 3 way tie we go to the title game but on the road vs UC.

If we win of course we host.
I like your participation criteria better than Robert’s. If you are correct, and both UH and UCF win, then we’re in the CCG (even if we should lose to Cincy)? There’s a very good chance that both UH and UCF win their games against Tulsa and USF, respectively.
Yes. And Cincy starting QB just left the game with a right leg injury hasn’t returned.
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1-0 on Black Friday and we host.

1-0 on Thanksgiving weekend. That's all we need to know. That's all we need to go.

1-0.

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It's simple: WIN!!!
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tpstulane wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:41 pm In simple terms
If we and UH both lose it will be UC vs UCF (assuming UCF beats USF)

If we lose and UH and UCF win and it’s a 3 way tie we go to the title game but on the road vs UC.

If we win of course we host.
So Houston winning next week to create a 3 way tie (assuming we lose) actually gets us in?

So if the three way tie for second ends up being UC, UCF and Htn, who would we host in the CCG? I'm thinking UCF?
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RobertM320 wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:49 pm
tpstulane wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:41 pm In simple terms
If we and UH both lose it will be UC vs UCF (assuming UCF beats USF)

If we lose and UH and UCF win and it’s a 3 way tie we go to the title game but on the road vs UC.

If we win of course we host.
So Houston winning next week to create a 3 way tie (assuming we lose) actually gets us in?

So if the three way tie for second ends up being UC, UCF and Htn, who would we host in the CCG? I'm thinking UCF?
Yes Yes
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tpstulane wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:30 pm
GreenLantern wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:15 pm
tpstulane wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:41 pm In simple terms
If we and UH both lose it will be UC vs UCF (assuming UCF beats USF)

If we lose and UH and UCF win and it’s a 3 way tie we go to the title game but on the road vs UC.

If we win of course we host.
I like your participation criteria better than Robert’s. If you are correct, and both UH and UCF win, then we’re in the CCG (even if we should lose to Cincy)? There’s a very good chance that both UH and UCF win their games against Tulsa and USF, respectively.
Yes. And Cincy starting QB just left the game with a right leg injury hasn’t returned.
I would have rather faced him tbh since the backup is a highly recruited athletic QB. I haven't been impressed with the starter all season. But I think the Wave will be ready regardless.
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greenie78 wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 7:57 pm
tpstulane wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:30 pm
GreenLantern wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:15 pm

I like your participation criteria better than Robert’s. If you are correct, and both UH and UCF win, then we’re in the CCG (even if we should lose to Cincy)? There’s a very good chance that both UH and UCF win their games against Tulsa and USF, respectively.
Yes. And Cincy starting QB just left the game with a right leg injury hasn’t returned.
I would have rather faced him tbh since the backup is a highly recruited athletic QB. I haven't been impressed with the starter all season. But I think the Wave will be ready regardless.
Problem maybe we have to prepare for both now.
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tpstulane wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 8:15 pm
greenie78 wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 7:57 pm
tpstulane wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:30 pm
Yes. And Cincy starting QB just left the game with a right leg injury hasn’t returned.
I would have rather faced him tbh since the backup is a highly recruited athletic QB. I haven't been impressed with the starter all season. But I think the Wave will be ready regardless.
Problem maybe we have to prepare for both now.
Yes. I didn't see their game today, but from the stats it seems the backup is more mobile.
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RobertM320 wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:49 pm
tpstulane wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:41 pm In simple terms
If we and UH both lose it will be UC vs UCF (assuming UCF beats USF)

If we lose and UH and UCF win and it’s a 3 way tie we go to the title game but on the road vs UC.

If we win of course we host.
So Houston winning next week to create a 3 way tie (assuming we lose) actually gets us in?

So if the three way tie for second ends up being UC, UCF and Htn, who would we host in the CCG? I'm thinking UCF?
If the three way tie for second ends up being UC, UCF and UH, that means WE are first and WE would host.
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Exactly. That's why the question was, who would WE host in the CCG?
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Dave breslin wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:54 pm Again—JUST WIN
Yep. Simple as that.
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I would not want to play UH again they seem like they are playing much better. Outside of that crazy loss to SMU they have been looking pretty good.
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We're playing much better with a first string QB. :mrgreen:
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