David Pierce

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Pierce recruited Spoon and Zubia and both will be drafted. Zubia just decided to follow him to Texas. No way in hell does Pierce start last year 3-12.

One player that came here. Not a team.

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Not only that, but Massey probably doesn't become a basket case with Pierce still at Tulane. And add JP France to this years' team, easily gives us another 7- 8 wins alone.

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My point was he knew his streak was coming to an end here . I didn't say it was the only reason.

Yes he was the 12th choice.

He is a good coach. He can also recruit there. He had never dealt with the tuition issue as a HC and he did a poor job of recruiting here.

bullsh*t he knew it was coming to an end. That 2017 team was better than the 2015 team he brought to a regional. Plus, you don’t become as good of a coach as Pierce is by running away because you think things might get tough.
No chance that played any part in his decision.

Completely delusional.

I would say you’re delusional but it’s worse. You’re just dumb

How good or bad the 2017 Tulane team was going to be played exactly zero part in Pierce’s decision. To suggest otherwise is going full retard.
The 2017 team could have been a lock for Omaha and it would have made no difference. Pierce wasn’t turning down the Texas job.

I never said otherwise . What’s ignorant is you saying the 2017 team was better than 2015. We had nothing at catcher and SS. NOTHING. It’s also ignorant to say Pierce recruited well while he was here. He didn’t which has helped put us in the game hole we are in.

In 2015 we had a bunch of holes. We may have had a good SS and a good defensive Catcher, but offensively we were not a very talented group. We lacked ability on offense at almost every position.

You did say otherwise. You literally said the lack of talent is why Pierce was willing to be the 12th choice at Texas. These are your words: "clearly lacking in talent. It's why Pierce was willing to be the 12th choice by Texas. He knew his streak would be coming to an end here. One is delusional to think otherwise."

Please go ahead and tell us what you've heard about the recruiting class

What I was getting at is that it is delusional to say that he didn't think about his streak was going to end and it would have. That team had no one drafted. Make up all the excuses and stories you want but they just weren't that good. To say that Pierce and his staff don't bare some of the blame for our current situation is asinine.

The team had 2 players drafted.
It's delusional to think that he did think his streak was going to end. Guys like Pierce don't ever expect to lose.

LOL.Like I said completely delusional. That team was not a Regional team by any measure. Pierce did not recruit well by any measure.

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Pierce recruited Spoon and Zubia and both will be drafted. Zubia just decided to follow him to Texas. No way in hell does Pierce start last year 3-12.

One player that came here. Not a team.

You said no one was drafted last year. I just pointed out that Spoon and Zubia will be drafted.

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No one was drafted last year. Zubia never came here. So no it wasn't a talented team.

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No one was drafted last year. Zubia never came here. So no it wasn't a talented team.

You’re wrong. Ted Andrews and Corey Merrill were both drafted.
Andrews went to the White Sox and Merrill the Dodgers.

[DfromCT]

The 2017 team was a VETERAN, UPPERCLASSMAN DOMINATED team that had been to the NCAA tournament two years in a row. To suggest it was a lousy team that lacked talent belies the facts that you went to the games the two years prior and all of 2017. This coaching staff managed to get about as little out of that group of players as they could. But at least their pant legs were about the same height.

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No one was drafted last year. Zubia never came here. So no it wasn't a talented team.

You’re wrong. Ted Andrews and Corey Merrill were both drafted.
Andrews went to the White Sox and Merrill the Dodgers.

Thanks for setting the record straight.

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No one was drafted last year. Zubia never came here. So no it wasn't a talented team.

You’re wrong. Ted Andrews and Corey Merrill were both drafted.
Andrews went to the White Sox and Merrill the Dodgers.

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OK. Andrews did what for us? Still not a talented team and doesn't change the fact that Pierce didn't recruit well while he was here.

[winwave]

The 2017 team was a VETERAN, UPPERCLASSMAN DOMINATED team that had been to the NCAA tournament two years in a row. To suggest it was a lousy team that lacked talent belies the facts that you went to the games the two years prior and all of 2017. This coaching staff managed to get about as little out of that group of players as they could. But at least their pant legs were about the same height.

THEY WERE MISSING THE TWO PLAYERS THAT CARRIED THE TEAM. THOSE TWO PLAYERS ALSO PLAYED TWO OF THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITIONS IN BASEBALL. THIS IS COLLEGE. PLAYERS GRADUATE AND MOVE ON. THE GOOD ONE'S GET DRAFTED BEFORE THEY'RE SENIORS AND MOVE ON. SO DESPITE YOUR CLAIM THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HOSTING A REGIONAL THEY WERE NOT THAT TALENTED A TEAM. THEY JUST WEREN'T. AS I SAID WE SHOULD HAVE HAD WINNING SEASONS THE LAST TWO YEARS BUT THESE HAVE NOT BEEN REGIONAL WORTHY TEAMS.

[HoustonWave]

The 2017 team was a VETERAN, UPPERCLASSMAN DOMINATED team that had been to the NCAA tournament two years in a row. To suggest it was a lousy team that lacked talent belies the facts that you went to the games the two years prior and all of 2017. This coaching staff managed to get about as little out of that group of players as they could. But at least their pant legs were about the same height.

Thank you D, for getting to the heart of the matter--with TJ it's always about the pants and socks.

[Profoundwizard]

The 2017 team was a VETERAN, UPPERCLASSMAN DOMINATED team that had been to the NCAA tournament two years in a row. To suggest it was a lousy team that lacked talent belies the facts that you went to the games the two years prior and all of 2017. This coaching staff managed to get about as little out of that group of players as they could. But at least their pant legs were about the same height.

THEY WERE MISSING THE TWO PLAYERS THAT CARRIED THE TEAM. THOSE TWO PLAYERS ALSO PLAYED TWO OF THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITIONS IN BASEBALL. THIS IS COLLEGE. PLAYERS GRADUATE AND MOVE ON. THE GOOD ONE'S GET DRAFTED BEFORE THEY'RE SENIORS AND MOVE ON. SO DESPITE YOUR CLAIM THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HOSTING A REGIONAL THEY WERE NOT THAT TALENTED A TEAM. THEY JUST WEREN'T. AS I SAID WE SHOULD HAVE HAD WINNING SEASONS THE LAST TWO YEARS BUT THESE HAVE NOT BEEN REGIONAL WORTHY TEAMS.

A huge stretch to say that Alemais and Rogers carried the team. They were the best pro prospects on the team but it’s not even clear that they were the best/most productive college baseball players on the team.
Your claim that all the good players get drafted before their senior season is ridiculous.
Corey Merrill was a very good college baseball player.
Hunter Williams was the best player in this conference a year ago. Never drafted.
The list goes on. There were a bunch of senior all conference performers in big time conferences last year.

[DfromCT]

And, regardless of how many were or were not drafted, with that many upperclassmen on a team that went to a regional the year before, they should have been much better, with a chance to host, in 2017. Jewett even stated, multiple times, before the 2017 season started that he couldn't believe he inherited a team with that much veteran, upper class talent. Then they went out and $hit the bed. It's all about the coaching. PERIOD.

[tpstulane]

No one was drafted last year. Zubia never came here. So no it wasn't a talented team.

You’re wrong. Ted Andrews and Corey Merrill were both drafted.
Andrews went to the White Sox and Merrill the Dodgers.

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OK. Andrews did what for us? Still not a talented team and doesn't change the fact that Pierce didn't recruit well while he was here.

Another note:
Although not drafted out of high school JP France turned down 300k plus from Boston Red Sox and decided to enroll in school.
Jake Rogers turned down 250K from Tampa and decided to come to Tulane also.

[winwave]

The 2017 team was a VETERAN, UPPERCLASSMAN DOMINATED team that had been to the NCAA tournament two years in a row. To suggest it was a lousy team that lacked talent belies the facts that you went to the games the two years prior and all of 2017. This coaching staff managed to get about as little out of that group of players as they could. But at least their pant legs were about the same height.

THEY WERE MISSING THE TWO PLAYERS THAT CARRIED THE TEAM. THOSE TWO PLAYERS ALSO PLAYED TWO OF THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITIONS IN BASEBALL. THIS IS COLLEGE. PLAYERS GRADUATE AND MOVE ON. THE GOOD ONE'S GET DRAFTED BEFORE THEY'RE SENIORS AND MOVE ON. SO DESPITE YOUR CLAIM THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HOSTING A REGIONAL THEY WERE NOT THAT TALENTED A TEAM. THEY JUST WEREN'T. AS I SAID WE SHOULD HAVE HAD WINNING SEASONS THE LAST TWO YEARS BUT THESE HAVE NOT BEEN REGIONAL WORTHY TEAMS.

A huge stretch to say that Alemais and Rogers carried the team. They were the best pro prospects on the team but it’s not even clear that they were the best/most productive college baseball players on the team.
Your claim that all the good players get drafted before their senior season is ridiculous.
Corey Merrill was a very good college baseball player.
Hunter Williams was the best player in this conference a year ago. Never drafted.
The list goes on. There were a bunch of senior all conference performers in big time conferences last year.

They were clearly the best two players and most productive. They also played key positions. It’s always been known in college baseball that you don’t want a team of seniors. It’s not a good sign.

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And, regardless of how many were or were not drafted, with that many upperclassmen on a team that went to a regional the year before, they should have been much better, with a chance to host, in 2017. Jewett even stated, multiple times, before the 2017 season started that he couldn't believe he inherited a team with that much veteran, upper class talent. Then they went out and $hit the bed. It's all about the coaching. PERIOD.

The talent level was not there to go much less host. There are issues with the coaching and the talent. End of story.

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No one was drafted last year. Zubia never came here. So no it wasn't a talented team.

You’re wrong. Ted Andrews and Corey Merrill were both drafted.
Andrews went to the White Sox and Merrill the Dodgers.

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OK. Andrews did what for us? Still not a talented team and doesn't change the fact that Pierce didn't recruit well while he was here.

Another note:
Although not drafted out of high school JP France turned down 300k plus from Boston Red Sox and decided to enroll in school.
Jake Rogers turned down 250K from Tampa and decided to come to Tulane also.

Not sure of your point. Rogers wasn’t recruited by Pierce and he wasn’t on last years team. France wasn’t recruited by Pierce either.

[Profoundwizard]

The 2017 team was a VETERAN, UPPERCLASSMAN DOMINATED team that had been to the NCAA tournament two years in a row. To suggest it was a lousy team that lacked talent belies the facts that you went to the games the two years prior and all of 2017. This coaching staff managed to get about as little out of that group of players as they could. But at least their pant legs were about the same height.

THEY WERE MISSING THE TWO PLAYERS THAT CARRIED THE TEAM. THOSE TWO PLAYERS ALSO PLAYED TWO OF THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITIONS IN BASEBALL. THIS IS COLLEGE. PLAYERS GRADUATE AND MOVE ON. THE GOOD ONE'S GET DRAFTED BEFORE THEY'RE SENIORS AND MOVE ON. SO DESPITE YOUR CLAIM THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HOSTING A REGIONAL THEY WERE NOT THAT TALENTED A TEAM. THEY JUST WEREN'T. AS I SAID WE SHOULD HAVE HAD WINNING SEASONS THE LAST TWO YEARS BUT THESE HAVE NOT BEEN REGIONAL WORTHY TEAMS.

A huge stretch to say that Alemais and Rogers carried the team. They were the best pro prospects on the team but it’s not even clear that they were the best/most productive college baseball players on the team.
Your claim that all the good players get drafted before their senior season is ridiculous.
Corey Merrill was a very good college baseball player.
Hunter Williams was the best player in this conference a year ago. Never drafted.
The list goes on. There were a bunch of senior all conference performers in big time conferences last year.

They were clearly the best two players and most productive. They also played key positions. It’s always been known in college baseball that you don’t want a team of seniors. It’s not a good sign.

Not clearly the most productive. Neither were nearly the best offensive player on the team and it’s not really possible to measure what they were worth on defense. The stats necessary to measure defense don’t exist in college baseball.

[tpstulane]

Tulane signee under Pierce now throwing 105mph for St Louis Cards. Unfortunately he got drafted and never made it on campus. https://twitter.com/tulanerecruits/stat ... 6418029571 http://tulanegreenwave.com/news/2014/11 ... Class.aspx

[NOLABigSteve]

Tulane signee under Pierce now throwing 105mph for St Louis Cards. Unfortunately he got drafted and never made it on campus. https://twitter.com/tulanerecruits/stat ... 6418029571 http://tulanegreenwave.com/news/2014/11 ... Class.aspx

https://twitter.com/pitchingninja/statu ... 5667163140

[winwave]

The 2017 team was a VETERAN, UPPERCLASSMAN DOMINATED team that had been to the NCAA tournament two years in a row. To suggest it was a lousy team that lacked talent belies the facts that you went to the games the two years prior and all of 2017. This coaching staff managed to get about as little out of that group of players as they could. But at least their pant legs were about the same height.

THEY WERE MISSING THE TWO PLAYERS THAT CARRIED THE TEAM. THOSE TWO PLAYERS ALSO PLAYED TWO OF THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITIONS IN BASEBALL. THIS IS COLLEGE. PLAYERS GRADUATE AND MOVE ON. THE GOOD ONE'S GET DRAFTED BEFORE THEY'RE SENIORS AND MOVE ON. SO DESPITE YOUR CLAIM THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HOSTING A REGIONAL THEY WERE NOT THAT TALENTED A TEAM. THEY JUST WEREN'T. AS I SAID WE SHOULD HAVE HAD WINNING SEASONS THE LAST TWO YEARS BUT THESE HAVE NOT BEEN REGIONAL WORTHY TEAMS.

A huge stretch to say that Alemais and Rogers carried the team. They were the best pro prospects on the team but it’s not even clear that they were the best/most productive college baseball players on the team.
Your claim that all the good players get drafted before their senior season is ridiculous.
Corey Merrill was a very good college baseball player.
Hunter Williams was the best player in this conference a year ago. Never drafted.
The list goes on. There were a bunch of senior all conference performers in big time conferences last year.

They were clearly the best two players and most productive. They also played key positions. It’s always been known in college baseball that you don’t want a team of seniors. It’s not a good sign.

Not clearly the most productive. Neither were nearly the best offensive player on the team and it’s not really possible to measure what they were worth on defense. The stats necessary to measure defense don’t exist in college baseball.

Seeing is believing and anyone that watched them on defense saw how superior they were.

[winwave]

Tulane signee under Pierce now throwing 105mph for St Louis Cards. Unfortunately he got drafted and never made it on campus. https://twitter.com/tulanerecruits/stat ... 6418029571 http://tulanegreenwave.com/news/2014/11 ... Class.aspx

Never made it here. That happens in college baseball. Bottom line is do you think we have a talented team, one that has Regional talent on it?

[tpstulane]

Tulane signee under Pierce now throwing 105mph for St Louis Cards. Unfortunately he got drafted and never made it on campus. https://twitter.com/tulanerecruits/stat ... 6418029571 http://tulanegreenwave.com/news/2014/11 ... Class.aspx

Never made it here. That happens in college baseball. Bottom line is do you think we have a talented team, one that has Regional talent on it?

I thought last year we did. Jeremy went down hurt our chances. Not scrimmaging hurt us. But based on the final result of last year I expected us to have a losing season this year and win fewer games. Hope I’m wrong but based on this year I fully expect another losing season next year. No way does UNO have better talent than us yet they won the series just to name one.

[Profoundwizard]

The 2017 team was a VETERAN, UPPERCLASSMAN DOMINATED team that had been to the NCAA tournament two years in a row. To suggest it was a lousy team that lacked talent belies the facts that you went to the games the two years prior and all of 2017. This coaching staff managed to get about as little out of that group of players as they could. But at least their pant legs were about the same height.

THEY WERE MISSING THE TWO PLAYERS THAT CARRIED THE TEAM. THOSE TWO PLAYERS ALSO PLAYED TWO OF THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITIONS IN BASEBALL. THIS IS COLLEGE. PLAYERS GRADUATE AND MOVE ON. THE GOOD ONE'S GET DRAFTED BEFORE THEY'RE SENIORS AND MOVE ON. SO DESPITE YOUR CLAIM THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HOSTING A REGIONAL THEY WERE NOT THAT TALENTED A TEAM. THEY JUST WEREN'T. AS I SAID WE SHOULD HAVE HAD WINNING SEASONS THE LAST TWO YEARS BUT THESE HAVE NOT BEEN REGIONAL WORTHY TEAMS.

A huge stretch to say that Alemais and Rogers carried the team. They were the best pro prospects on the team but it’s not even clear that they were the best/most productive college baseball players on the team.
Your claim that all the good players get drafted before their senior season is ridiculous.
Corey Merrill was a very good college baseball player.
Hunter Williams was the best player in this conference a year ago. Never drafted.
The list goes on. There were a bunch of senior all conference performers in big time conferences last year.

They were clearly the best two players and most productive. They also played key positions. It’s always been known in college baseball that you don’t want a team of seniors. It’s not a good sign.

Not clearly the most productive. Neither were nearly the best offensive player on the team and it’s not really possible to measure what they were worth on defense. The stats necessary to measure defense don’t exist in college baseball.

Seeing is believing and anyone that watched them on defense saw how superior they were.

But there’s no way to quantify what their defense was worth.
Seeing is not believing. The eye test is no good.

If there were a WAR type stat in college baseball, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see that Ross Massey or Emerson Gibbs(yes, a college Senior) were the most valuable players on that 2016 team.

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Not even close. They were everyday payers at critical positions. The eye test has worked for a long time.