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tufinal4 wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 8:24 am Tulane has a larger endowment than SMU, with several uber wealthy alumni. Our academic campus facilities (not athletics) are much better than SMU; I stayed right across from SMU's campus for the Cotton Bowl and got a first hand current look. These things provide all the evidence you need that can if we want to, you can't deny it.

Winwave is absolutely right, these ACC programs have nowhere to go. The SEC and Big 10 have been clear about not seeing the value (i.e. not being dilutive), where is the evidence they're bluffing. Which ACC program adds more value than their $70-80 million share of revenue from those conferences. Remember, Oregon & Wisconsin had to accept significantly reduced shares to get in. As soon as an ACC program has to do the same, leaving makes no financial sense, especially with the added revenue from 70% of Stanford, Cal & 100% of SMU's TV pot.
Our endowment is $94MM larger than SMU's. But their new $300MM commitment probably changes that.


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HoustonWave wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 8:48 am
tufinal4 wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 8:24 am Tulane has a larger endowment than SMU, with several uber wealthy alumni. Our academic campus facilities (not athletics) are much better than SMU; I stayed right across from SMU's campus for the Cotton Bowl and got a first hand current look. These things provide all the evidence you need that can if we want to, you can't deny it.

Winwave is absolutely right, these ACC programs have nowhere to go. The SEC and Big 10 have been clear about not seeing the value (i.e. not being dilutive), where is the evidence they're bluffing. Which ACC program adds more value than their $70-80 million share of revenue from those conferences. Remember, Oregon & Wisconsin had to accept significantly reduced shares to get in. As soon as an ACC program has to do the same, leaving makes no financial sense, especially with the added revenue from 70% of Stanford, Cal & 100% of SMU's TV pot.
Our endowment is $94MM larger than SMU's. But their new $300MM commitment probably changes that.
Right. They have a lot more wealthy supporters than Tulane and their rich supporters are more into sports. It's like LSU. money people they give to athletics rather than academics. On top of that Slatten came here and said Tulane doesn't have the money people that SMU has.
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Why doesn't their endowment tower over ours if that's the case. We have the same level athletic program as theirs up to this moment, and the comparative endowments tell you we have the same access to wealth. We therefore absolutely can do this, we lack the institutional will.
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tufinal4 wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 9:41 am Why doesn't their endowment tower over ours if that's the case. We have the same level athletic program as theirs up to this moment, and the comparative endowments tell you we have the same access to wealth. We therefore absolutely can do this, we lack the institutional will.
Slatten told you. The history tells you. They have much better facilities than Tulane and one season doesn't wipe that out. They have a lot more money for NIL. As to the endowment their donors prefer to give to athletics.
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SMU has the weight of the business industry and media market of Dallas behind it, and that’s without a doubt more valuable than anything Tulane could provide even if Tulane had an endowment and media market were 2-3x larger than it currently is.
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tufinal4 wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 9:41 am Why doesn't their endowment tower over ours if that's the case. We have the same level athletic program as theirs up to this moment, and the comparative endowments tell you we have the same access to wealth. We therefore absolutely can do this, we lack the institutional will.
Absolutely. Institutional will is a huge problem for Tulane.
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tufinal4 wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 9:41 am Why doesn't their endowment tower over ours if that's the case. We have the same level athletic program as theirs up to this moment, and the comparative endowments tell you we have the same access to wealth. We therefore absolutely can do this, we lack the institutional will.
After a few years as a P5, their endowment probably will tower over ours. TCU’s endowment is now well above ours—and that wasn’t the case before they got into The Club.
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Just raised $100 million in 7 days.
FB and MBB players to receive $36,000 a season NIL money.
https://theathletic.com/4874607/2023/09 ... ed_article
This $100 million was raised by a small group of 30 donors, according to the school.
In addition to this money, SMU announced that men’s basketball season ticket sales have jumped 30 percent since the Sept. 1 announcement, and “hundreds” of new football season tickets have been sold as well.

SMU will be one of the smallest schools in the Power 5, with an enrollment of just over 12,000 and fewer than 8,000 undergraduates. One collective says it pays SMU football players and men’s basketball players $36,000 each.
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tpstulane wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:36 pm Just raised $100 million in 7 days.
FB and MBB players to receive $36,000 a season NIL money.
https://theathletic.com/4874607/2023/09 ... ed_article
This $100 million was raised by a small group of 30 donors, according to the school.
In addition to this money, SMU announced that men’s basketball season ticket sales have jumped 30 percent since the Sept. 1 announcement, and “hundreds” of new football season tickets have been sold as well.

SMU will be one of the smallest schools in the Power 5, with an enrollment of just over 12,000 and fewer than 8,000 undergraduates. One collective says it pays SMU football players and men’s basketball players $36,000 each.
I’d say 99% chance this $100m in pledges is just making public the commitments made when they joined the ACC, (to cover their media revenue gap), not net new money.

Just providing some context.
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OUG wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:58 pm
tpstulane wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:36 pm Just raised $100 million in 7 days.
FB and MBB players to receive $36,000 a season NIL money.
https://theathletic.com/4874607/2023/09 ... ed_article
This $100 million was raised by a small group of 30 donors, according to the school.
In addition to this money, SMU announced that men’s basketball season ticket sales have jumped 30 percent since the Sept. 1 announcement, and “hundreds” of new football season tickets have been sold as well.

SMU will be one of the smallest schools in the Power 5, with an enrollment of just over 12,000 and fewer than 8,000 undergraduates. One collective says it pays SMU football players and men’s basketball players $36,000 each.
I’d say 99% chance this $100m in pledges is just making public the commitments made when they joined the ACC, (to cover their media revenue gap), not net new money.

Just providing some context.
No telling. But there’s about 20 National stories on it
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From theathletic.com
What does this mean for SMU?

When Florida State visits Dallas in 2024, SMU football will officially feel back in the big time. This is a program that used to play Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and others annually in the Southwest Conference, but when the SWC collapsed in 1995-96, SMU was left in the wilderness of the WAC, Conference USA and the American. Now the Mustangs will host one of Florida State, Miami and Clemson in six of the next seven seasons. They won’t have natural rivalries, and annual games against Cal/Stanford won’t fill that, but the home schedule at Gerald J. Ford Stadium is going to change in a major way. The stadium has a capacity of 32,000, slightly larger than Wake Forest for the second-lowest in the ACC, and it’s currently undergoing renovations with a new end zone complex.

SMU’s central location was a key in easing Cal/Stanford travel, and the league is considering holding more events in Dallas as a hub. In the week after SMU announced its move to the ACC, the school said it had seen a 30 percent increase in basketball season tickets and hundreds of new football season tickets sold. Expect that to keep going up. — Chris Vannini, national college football reporter
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