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Who says we don’t have any representation in th CWS? We have two ex coaches and Jewett bought a ticket. And our AD’s office is only across the border from Omaha
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That would have taken AWOL away from his fish'in time.Profoundwizard wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:50 pmFunny thing is that Sean Allen would have taken the Tulane job if offered. Dannen went with Uhlman instead
Tulane is the University of Louisiana
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Wait a minute. If Dannen had hired Sean Allen and all the portal kids left, how many on this site would have been howling that Dannen is out of touch with the team and sacrificed us to a major rebuild over several years? Neither choice was obviously better than the other. The chosen path with Uhlman has fewer short term risks in that some of the talent stayed. I don't think anyone on this site has the stomach for a multi-year rebuild.Profoundwizard wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:50 pmFunny thing is that Sean Allen would have taken the Tulane job if offered. Dannen went with Uhlman instead
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LolanEngineer wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:45 pmWait a minute. If Dannen had hired Sean Allen and all the portal kids left, how many on this site would have been howling that Dannen is out of touch with the team and sacrificed us to a major rebuild over several years? Neither choice was obviously better than the other. The chosen path with Uhlman has fewer short term risks in that some of the talent stayed. I don't think anyone on this site has the stomach for a multi-year rebuild.Profoundwizard wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:50 pmFunny thing is that Sean Allen would have taken the Tulane job if offered. Dannen went with Uhlman instead
Half the portal kids left anyway. Instead of starting the true rebuild right now, we’re just prolonging the inevitable. Unless Uhlman quickly signs some stud transfer pitchers, the team is going to be BAD next year.
I guess you’ve deluded yourself into thinking this is going to work
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I am not deluding myself into anything, but to claim that hiring Allen was the magic bullet and using it to beat up on Dannen is just being silly. There are several on this site that just like beating up Dannen no matter what he does. For proof, please visit the Fire Hunter thread. Were you one of those? We lost a few in the portal. So did every other team. Would we have lost them regardless of who we hired? I don't know and neither do you. Would you have preferred that Jewett never got them in the first place? That way, we would not have lost anything.Profoundwizard wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:31 pmLolanEngineer wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:45 pmWait a minute. If Dannen had hired Sean Allen and all the portal kids left, how many on this site would have been howling that Dannen is out of touch with the team and sacrificed us to a major rebuild over several years? Neither choice was obviously better than the other. The chosen path with Uhlman has fewer short term risks in that some of the talent stayed. I don't think anyone on this site has the stomach for a multi-year rebuild.Profoundwizard wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:50 pm
Funny thing is that Sean Allen would have taken the Tulane job if offered. Dannen went with Uhlman instead
Half the portal kids left anyway. Instead of starting the true rebuild right now, we’re just prolonging the inevitable. Unless Uhlman quickly signs some stud transfer pitchers, the team is going to be BAD next year.
I guess you’ve deluded yourself into thinking this is going to work
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I never said that Allen was the magic bullet. Never even said that I wanted Allen. Just that on paper Allen is a better candidate than Uhlman.anEngineer wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:30 pmI am not deluding myself into anything, but to claim that hiring Allen was the magic bullet and using it to beat up on Dannen is just being silly. There are several on this site that just like beating up Dannen no matter what he does. For proof, please visit the Fire Hunter thread. Were you one of those? We lost a few in the portal. So did every other team. Would we have lost them regardless of who we hired? I don't know and neither do you. Would you have preferred that Jewett never got them in the first place? That way, we would not have lost anything.Profoundwizard wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:31 pmLolanEngineer wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:45 pm
Wait a minute. If Dannen had hired Sean Allen and all the portal kids left, how many on this site would have been howling that Dannen is out of touch with the team and sacrificed us to a major rebuild over several years? Neither choice was obviously better than the other. The chosen path with Uhlman has fewer short term risks in that some of the talent stayed. I don't think anyone on this site has the stomach for a multi-year rebuild.
Half the portal kids left anyway. Instead of starting the true rebuild right now, we’re just prolonging the inevitable. Unless Uhlman quickly signs some stud transfer pitchers, the team is going to be BAD next year.
I guess you’ve deluded yourself into thinking this is going to work
People like beating up on Dannen because he sucks.
I don’t think I’ve said a bad word about Hunter. Definitely never asked for him to be fired.
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What a hoot. Nobody needs Allen to beat up on Dannen. And it’s not always just because of what Dannen does, it’s also what he doesn’t do. He’s a 5 tool disaster—poor hiring, poor retention decisions, poor fund raising, poor communications, and poor presence—all on his own.anEngineer wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:30 pmI am not deluding myself into anything, but to claim that hiring Allen was the magic bullet and using it to beat up on Dannen is just being silly. There are several on this site that just like beating up Dannen no matter what he does. For proof, please visit the Fire Hunter thread. Were you one of those? We lost a few in the portal. So did every other team. Would we have lost them regardless of who we hired? I don't know and neither do you. Would you have preferred that Jewett never got them in the first place? That way, we would not have lost anything.Profoundwizard wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:31 pmLolanEngineer wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:45 pm
Wait a minute. If Dannen had hired Sean Allen and all the portal kids left, how many on this site would have been howling that Dannen is out of touch with the team and sacrificed us to a major rebuild over several years? Neither choice was obviously better than the other. The chosen path with Uhlman has fewer short term risks in that some of the talent stayed. I don't think anyone on this site has the stomach for a multi-year rebuild.
Half the portal kids left anyway. Instead of starting the true rebuild right now, we’re just prolonging the inevitable. Unless Uhlman quickly signs some stud transfer pitchers, the team is going to be BAD next year.
I guess you’ve deluded yourself into thinking this is going to work
Tulane is the University of Louisiana
As to Allen he left before Pierce did because he said he couldn't recruit here. We should be glad he didn't get the job.
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As head coach he’d have a recruiting coordinator and wouldn’t be doing the bulk of the recruiting.
I’d be glad if I thought we got someone better. I don’t think that Uhlman is
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Sorry, Wiz, but that's a horrible argument. He self-proclaimed that he couldn't recruit here, so as a HC you're telling me he's going to hire someone to do so? I don't know about you, but I've never met an effective leader that hired people and said "go out and sell what I couldn't sell when it was my job to sell it."Profoundwizard wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:10 amAs head coach he’d have a recruiting coordinator and wouldn’t be doing the bulk of the recruiting.
I’d be glad if I thought we got someone better. I don’t think that Uhlman is
As far as the rebuilding discussions go (changing subjects, not aimed at you Wiz) I think rebuilding in baseball is overblown in a big way on this board. Sure it's nice to have continuity, and a few years in the same program helps to know it "like second nature." But we're talking about a coaching change, so there's a lot of change to begin with. And as an umpire I can tell you there's not much difference between abilities at 18 versus 19 or 20. Yes, most are still growing up, filling out, etc., but I've seen many 18 year old hold their own against not only 19 and 20 year olds, but even older men as well. You either have it or your don't by that age. The rest is learning to play at higher levels more than it is talent. In HS there's a huge difference between 14, 15, 16, and 17 year olds. But the 17 and more so 18 year old kids that are going to play D1 ball are clearly better than those that aren't. And, at least up here in CT and NY, even the best prep schools that borderline recruit players and would beat up on their public school counterparts, you'll only see 2-4 Seniors in a high level game that are playing D1 next year.
My point is I think kids can come in as true Frosh and transfers and be impact players right away. You have to be able to recruit them, then coach them when their yours. A kid might learn to hit better pitching over the next couple of years, but the talent is either there by the time he's on campus or not. I think rebuilding in baseball is easier than ever. Particularly with the extreme shrinkage in Minor League professional baseball.
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Sean Allen’s ability to recruit has no bearing on his ability to hire someone that can.DfromCT wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:47 amSorry, Wiz, but that's a horrible argument. He self-proclaimed that he couldn't recruit here, so as a HC you're telling me he's going to hire someone to do so? I don't know about you, but I've never met an effective leader that hired people and said "go out and sell what I couldn't sell when it was my job to sell it."Profoundwizard wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:10 amAs head coach he’d have a recruiting coordinator and wouldn’t be doing the bulk of the recruiting.
I’d be glad if I thought we got someone better. I don’t think that Uhlman is
As far as the rebuilding discussions go (changing subjects, not aimed at you Wiz) I think rebuilding in baseball is overblown in a big way on this board. Sure it's nice to have continuity, and a few years in the same program helps to know it "like second nature." But we're talking about a coaching change, so there's a lot of change to begin with. And as an umpire I can tell you there's not much difference between abilities at 18 versus 19 or 20. Yes, most are still growing up, filling out, etc., but I've seen many 18 year old hold their own against not only 19 and 20 year olds, but even older men as well. You either have it or your don't by that age. The rest is learning to play at higher levels more than it is talent. In HS there's a huge difference between 14, 15, 16, and 17 year olds. But the 17 and more so 18 year old kids that are going to play D1 ball are clearly better than those that aren't. And, at least up here in CT and NY, even the best prep schools that borderline recruit players and would beat up on their public school counterparts, you'll only see 2-4 Seniors in a high level game that are playing D1 next year.
My point is I think kids can come in as true Frosh and transfers and be impact players right away. You have to be able to recruit them, then coach them when their yours. A kid might learn to hit better pitching over the next couple of years, but the talent is either there by the time he's on campus or not. I think rebuilding in baseball is easier than ever. Particularly with the extreme shrinkage in Minor League professional baseball.
As for a rebuild, theoretically it could be done quickly but you’d have to do a good job hitting the transfer portal. Because the best HS guys for the next year have usually already signed somewhere.
You're kidding yourself if you think only the recruiting coordinator recruits. All the coaches recruit. He made it clear that he couldn't recruit here. On top of that Pierce is the reason for the success of the teams Allen has coached on. I'm no fan of the Uhlman hiring but Allen getting the job would have been just as bad a hire.Profoundwizard wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:10 amAs head coach he’d have a recruiting coordinator and wouldn’t be doing the bulk of the recruiting.
I’d be glad if I thought we got someone better. I don’t think that Uhlman is
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Clearly you can’t read well. I never said he wouldn’t do any recruiting. I said that the bulk of the recruiting would be done by someone else. As is the case on every staff.winwave wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:28 pmYou're kidding yourself if you think only the recruiting coordinator recruits. All the coaches recruit. He made it clear that he couldn't recruit here. On top of that Pierce is the reason for the success of the teams Allen has coached on. I'm no fan of the Uhlman hiring but Allen getting the job would have been just as bad a hire.Profoundwizard wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:10 amAs head coach he’d have a recruiting coordinator and wouldn’t be doing the bulk of the recruiting.
I’d be glad if I thought we got someone better. I don’t think that Uhlman is
And if David Pierce is responsible for all their success with no help from the assistant coaches then he might be one of the greatest coaches ever
I read just fine. He’d be the closer and he doesn’t believe so he’d be a major fail.
Pierce is a great coach. Allen has ridden his coattails and would have been a terrible hire.
Pierce is a great coach. Allen has ridden his coattails and would have been a terrible hire.
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He may have been a bad hire. I never said that I wanted Allen but I’d have more faith in him than Uhlman
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Damned right, win. The HC is the closer in the recruiting process. All of them do it. Tim Corbin at Vanderbilt is notorious for going into homes and NOT talking about baseball. If you cannot recruit as an assistant, you're set up to be a failure as a HC.
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Because Allen couldn't bring anyone to him to close on. LOL.Profoundwizard wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:23 pmIf Pierce is a great coach then why couldn’t he recruit at Tulane?
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LOLwinwave wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:45 pmBecause Allen couldn't bring anyone to him to close on. LOL.Profoundwizard wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:23 pmIf Pierce is a great coach then why couldn’t he recruit at Tulane?
Why would a great coach like Pierce keep a guy like Allen around if he has use?
Because he's such a great coach he can carry a guy like Allen. LOL.Profoundwizard wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:57 pmLOLwinwave wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:45 pmBecause Allen couldn't bring anyone to him to close on. LOL.Profoundwizard wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:23 pm
If Pierce is a great coach then why couldn’t he recruit at Tulane?
Why would a great coach like Pierce keep a guy like Allen around if he has use?
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That’s so stupid. You don’t even believe this dumb shit. Pierce could have a good assistant but he chooses not to. Think about how stupid that soundswinwave wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:04 pmBecause he's such a great coach he can carry a guy like Allen. LOL.Profoundwizard wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:57 pmLOL
Why would a great coach like Pierce keep a guy like Allen around if he has use?
So you say Pierce sucks. Talk about stupid. LOL.
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