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There was a nice breeze from the south. They had refs. The quarters were 7:30 in length. Pratt and Anderson were the green captains. The white captains were Duece Watts and Haynseworth..

Glover kicked-off with only the returner, Canady, on the field. He kicked from the north end and it went to the right sideline and Canady fielded it even though it appeared it woud go out of bounds. He then promptly stepped out of bounds on his return. The white offense started on the south end going north at the 25. Horton was the QB. Carroll ranleft for 3. Horton was ruled sacked as a number of defenders were on him for a loss of 3. On 3rd down he hit Duece for 11. He then threw a pass to the left for 27 yards to Carroll. Brought down by Brooks. The ofense had to use a time out as it took to long to get the play in. Celestine up the middle for 2. Celestine then ran for 16 . It was a nice run as he was supposed to go up the middle but with nothing there he bounced it back out to the left. Horton the ran a read option for 5. Followed by an overthrow to Wallace in the end zone. Carroll caught a pass on the left for 7. First and goal at the 8. Carroll ran for no gain. Horton rolled left and had Duece open but chose to run for 2. He was then sacked by Hall. A 28 yard FG was shanked.

Green offense came on with Pratt and started at the north 20 going south. He hit Wyatt on a slant for 18 yards. He then threw incomplete to Wyatt on the left side. He then pitched right for 6 yards to who I believe was Clayton. he was wearing #2 with no name and it wasn't Duece. I'll note here the rosters given out were worthless. Clayton the ran right for no gain. That ended the first quarter. Glover punted for 56 yards into the end zone. No one was on the field on the punts but for the snapper, kicker and returner.

The white offense came in with Haggard at QB. It was 1st and 10 from the north end going south.There was a run to the right for 4. . He passed tom Phatt Watts for 7 yards. Celestine ran for 3. Good pass to Celestine went off his hands.It would have been a 15 yard gain and a first down if he caught it. There was no gain. Glover punted to Jackson. It went 43 yards.

Green offense with Pratt came out. they started 1st and 10 from the south 24 going north. He threw a long pass to no one. There was a run left by I believe Levi Williams for a loss of 1. Pratt was whistled down by sack with several defenders around him . Glover punted to Canady 40 yards.

The white offense came out with Horton at QB. Started on the north 40 going south. Celestine ran left for 3. Horton bobbled the snap and ran for 1. He then passed incomplete under pressure. Bobby Noel punted 56 yards to Canady.

Green offewnse came out with Haggard at QB. They started at the south 20 going north. He passed to James for 2. He then fumbled the snap and Hodges recovered it for the defense.

White offense came on with Horton at QB Started at the south 21 going south. Defense had to call a time out as they weren't set. Reggie Brown came on an end around from left to right an d threw to Duece in the end zone. Monroe was beat and interfered to break it up. Flagged for it. 1st and goal from the 7. penalty on the defense followed by a penalty on the offense going back to the 7. Celestine ran off the right side for a TD. Dable made the XP.

Esnard kicked off to Spears at the 2.

Pratt came out with the green offense. They started at the north 25 going south. He threw incomplete to Josh Coltrin. He hit Jackson for 7. Then under immediate pressure he threw incomplete to the left side. Glover then shanked a punt for 27 yards.

Horton came in with the white offense. They started at the south 41 going north. He threw a pretty pass to Duece who had beat Brandon Kim for a 59 yard TD. Esnard then tumbled the XP through.

Esnard kicked off to the 1 and Spears had to field it as it bounced up and appeared it would go back into the field of play.

The grreen offense came out with Haggard at the helm. Incomplete deep middle and almost picked off. He then hit Jackson for 6 on the right side. It was a nice pass. He then threw incomplete under pressure. to Clayton. Glover punted for 48 yards.

The white offense came in and started at the south 22 going north. Horton at QB. Celestine ran for 10. He passed to Duece for no gain on the right. Time out offense with 24 seconds left in the half. He then threw a pass to Celestine that bounced off his chest Carroll ran left for 4. Glover punted to Wyatt. It was 36 yards long.

Green offense came in with Pratt. Kneel down to end the half.

Dable kicked into the end zone.

Pratt led the green team out. They started at the south 25 going north. Clayton ran for 5. He pitched to the right side to Clayton for 6 yards. Hodges sacked him for a loss of 5. He passed to James for 3 yards. He then threw to James downfield in traffic but it was to high for him. Glover punted to Canady who called for a fair catch. The ball was shrt and he tried to come up to catch it and muffed it.

Haggard came out with the white team at the north 2o going south. There was a run for 2. He then rolled left and threw incomplete. Hogan went offsides for the offense. There was a 5 yard run by #27. Glover punted .

Pratt and the green offense came in at the north 20 going south. He ran for 3. Then he ran a read option for 10. Someone came up to talk to me and there was a play that gained 5. He then threw to Trevor Evans who got hit and fumbled.

White offense ball at the 22. Phatt Watts ran for 3. Incompletion to Carroll. He the threw a nice TD pass to Wallace. Noel made the XP.

Dable kicked off. The green offense started at eh 25 on the south end going north. He rolled left and then threw to the far right sideline to Jackson but Brooks broke it up at the last second. That was the end of the third.He hit Wyatt for 11. Claton gained 3. Another pass to Wyatt for 9. Clayton ran for no gain on first down. He then ran for 5 yards. He then threw to Jackson for 17. The offense was penalized. Tyrek Pressly who just recently moved from WR to CB intercepted a pass.

Ibieta came in with the white team. Celestine ran for no gain. Delay of game on the offense. #27 ran for 3. Celestine ran for 3 more. Glover punted.

Haggard came out with the green offense. They started at eh north 13 going south. He passed to Rutkowski who got hit as the ball got there and he dropped it. He hit Kahn for a loss of 1. He hit Levi Williams for 6. He scramvbled right and the defense came up and Coltrin got behind them for 38 yards on the reception. He hit Coltrin for 4 more. He then downed it. He overthrew Rutkowski. On 4th down with 22 seconds left he scrambled for a couple.

Ibieta came in with the white team and handed off to another #13 to end things.

Celestine is a good runner but he's got to work on catching passes. Wyatt looks good. spears only appeared on those returns due to a hamstring issue.

The offensive line play is just awful yet again. I do believe our D-line will be good but all reports had them winning all the time against the O-line. If that doesn't change it's more likely to be 2-10 again rather than a break through 10-2.

We have the summer and the fall to fix things thank goodness. They have their work cut out for them. No one got hurt which is always a good thing.


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I didn’t go so thanks for your report.
Guerry says Ibieta didn’t play.
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While second-string quarterback Justin Ibieta sat out as he recovers from a torn labrum, Pratt and Kai Horton alternated series, each getting seven before true freshman Carson Haggard received a few reps at the end.
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You’re welcome. Well #13 came in at QB and he sure looked like IBIETA and only handed off so I stick with what I posted.
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He’s also wrong about Haggard. He got in earlier than I thought he would.
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I'm very thankful for the report, win. Your annual Spring Game report is the highlight of Spring Football. This year you didn't go across the lines of scrimmage telling us who played with which units, but you did a hell of a job letting us know how it went. Thanks.

One question: Was it full tilt or did they dial it back more than just not taking down the QB?
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I would be embarrassed to have that report on a HS offense. Don’t even try to convince me our defense is lights out. The drops, the sacks, the fumbled, the bad passes and Int are just abysmal.
I think perhaps Willie screwed up going away from his more run oriented offense with the bad OLmen we recruit. The option at least didn’t call for the linemen to hold blocks for very long.
Gonna be a long season.
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Read the Nola report. Worse sounding than this one.
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DfromCT wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:30 pm I'm very thankful for the report, win. Your annual Spring Game report is the highlight of Spring Football. This year you didn't go across the lines of scrimmage telling us who played with which units, but you did a hell of a job letting us know how it went. Thanks.

One question: Was it full tilt or did they dial it back more than just not taking down the QB?
D- with them mixing and matching the lines I just chose not to bother with it. Per camp reports the starting line from left to right has been Claybrook, Remetich, Haynesworth, Thomas and Green. On D It’s been Hodges, Friloux, Jenkins and Cooper. Anderson and Williams at LB. The DB’s have been moving around but most likely Canady and Monroe at CB. Clark and Brooks at safety. NB has had a number on f guys working there.

It was full tilt.
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winwave wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:24 pm
DfromCT wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:30 pm I'm very thankful for the report, win. Your annual Spring Game report is the highlight of Spring Football. This year you didn't go across the lines of scrimmage telling us who played with which units, but you did a hell of a job letting us know how it went. Thanks.

One question: Was it full tilt or did they dial it back more than just not taking down the QB?
D- with them mixing and matching the lines I just chose not to bother with it. Per camp reports the starting line from left to right has been Claybrook, Remetich, Haynesworth, Thomas and Green. On D It’s been Hodges, Friloux, Jenkins and Cooper. Anderson and Williams at LB. The DB’s have been moving around but most likely Canady and Monroe at CB. Clark and Brooks at safety. NB has had a number on f guys working there.

It was full tilt.
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winwave wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:48 pm There was a nice breeze from the south. They had refs. The quarters were 7:30 in length. Pratt and Anderson were the green captains. The white captains were Duece Watts and Haynseworth..

Glover kicked-off with only the returner, Canady, on the field. He kicked from the north end and it went to the right sideline and Canady fielded it even though it appeared it woud go out of bounds. He then promptly stepped out of bounds on his return. The white offense started on the south end going north at the 25. Horton was the QB. Carroll ranleft for 3. Horton was ruled sacked as a number of defenders were on him for a loss of 3. On 3rd down he hit Duece for 11. He then threw a pass to the left for 27 yards to Carroll. Brought down by Brooks. The ofense had to use a time out as it took to long to get the play in. Celestine up the middle for 2. Celestine then ran for 16 . It was a nice run as he was supposed to go up the middle but with nothing there he bounced it back out to the left. Horton the ran a read option for 5. Followed by an overthrow to Wallace in the end zone. Carroll caught a pass on the left for 7. First and goal at the 8. Carroll ran for no gain. Horton rolled left and had Duece open but chose to run for 2. He was then sacked by Hall. A 28 yard FG was shanked.

Green offense came on with Pratt and started at the north 20 going south. He hit Wyatt on a slant for 18 yards. He then threw incomplete to Wyatt on the left side. He then pitched right for 6 yards to who I believe was Clayton. he was wearing #2 with no name and it wasn't Duece. I'll note here the rosters given out were worthless. Clayton the ran right for no gain. That ended the first quarter. Glover punted for 56 yards into the end zone. No one was on the field on the punts but for the snapper, kicker and returner.

The white offense came in with Haggard at QB. It was 1st and 10 from the north end going south.There was a run to the right for 4. . He passed tom Phatt Watts for 7 yards. Celestine ran for 3. Good pass to Celestine went off his hands.It would have been a 15 yard gain and a first down if he caught it. There was no gain. Glover punted to Jackson. It went 43 yards.

Green offense with Pratt came out. they started 1st and 10 from the south 24 going north. He threw a long pass to no one. There was a run left by I believe Levi Williams for a loss of 1. Pratt was whistled down by sack with several defenders around him . Glover punted to Canady 40 yards.

The white offense came out with Horton at QB. Started on the north 40 going south. Celestine ran left for 3. Horton bobbled the snap and ran for 1. He then passed incomplete under pressure. Bobby Noel punted 56 yards to Canady.

Green offewnse came out with Haggard at QB. They started at the south 20 going north. He passed to James for 2. He then fumbled the snap and Hodges recovered it for the defense.

White offense came on with Horton at QB Started at the south 21 going south. Defense had to call a time out as they weren't set. Reggie Brown came on an end around from left to right an d threw to Duece in the end zone. Monroe was beat and interfered to break it up. Flagged for it. 1st and goal from the 7. penalty on the defense followed by a penalty on the offense going back to the 7. Celestine ran off the right side for a TD. Dable made the XP.

Esnard kicked off to Spears at the 2.

Pratt came out with the green offense. They started at the north 25 going south. He threw incomplete to Josh Coltrin. He hit Jackson for 7. Then under immediate pressure he threw incomplete to the left side. Glover then shanked a punt for 27 yards.

Horton came in with the white offense. They started at the south 41 going north. He threw a pretty pass to Duece who had beat Brandon Kim for a 59 yard TD. Esnard then tumbled the XP through.

Esnard kicked off to the 1 and Spears had to field it as it bounced up and appeared it would go back into the field of play.

The grreen offense came out with Haggard at the helm. Incomplete deep middle and almost picked off. He then hit Jackson for 6 on the right side. It was a nice pass. He then threw incomplete under pressure. to Clayton. Glover punted for 48 yards.

The white offense came in and started at the south 22 going north. Horton at QB. Celestine ran for 10. He passed to Duece for no gain on the right. Time out offense with 24 seconds left in the half. He then threw a pass to Celestine that bounced off his chest Carroll ran left for 4. Glover punted to Wyatt. It was 36 yards long.

Green offense came in with Pratt. Kneel down to end the half.

Dable kicked into the end zone.

Pratt led the green team out. They started at the south 25 going north. Clayton ran for 5. He pitched to the right side to Clayton for 6 yards. Hodges sacked him for a loss of 5. He passed to James for 3 yards. He then threw to James downfield in traffic but it was to high for him. Glover punted to Canady who called for a fair catch. The ball was shrt and he tried to come up to catch it and muffed it.

Haggard came out with the white team at the north 2o going south. There was a run for 2. He then rolled left and threw incomplete. Hogan went offsides for the offense. There was a 5 yard run by #27. Glover punted .

Pratt and the green offense came in at the north 20 going south. He ran for 3. Then he ran a read option for 10. Someone came up to talk to me and there was a play that gained 5. He then threw to Trevor Evans who got hit and fumbled.

White offense ball at the 22. Phatt Watts ran for 3. Incompletion to Carroll. He the threw a nice TD pass to Wallace. Noel made the XP.

Dable kicked off. The green offense started at eh 25 on the south end going north. He rolled left and then threw to the far right sideline to Jackson but Brooks broke it up at the last second. That was the end of the third.He hit Wyatt for 11. Claton gained 3. Another pass to Wyatt for 9. Clayton ran for no gain on first down. He then ran for 5 yards. He then threw to Jackson for 17. The offense was penalized. Tyrek Pressly who just recently moved from WR to CB intercepted a pass.

Ibieta came in with the white team. Celestine ran for no gain. Delay of game on the offense. #27 ran for 3. Celestine ran for 3 more. Glover punted.

Haggard came out with the green offense. They started at eh north 13 going south. He passed to Rutkowski who got hit as the ball got there and he dropped it. He hit Kahn for a loss of 1. He hit Levi Williams for 6. He scramvbled right and the defense came up and Coltrin got behind them for 38 yards on the reception. He hit Coltrin for 4 more. He then downed it. He overthrew Rutkowski. On 4th down with 22 seconds left he scrambled for a couple.

Ibieta came in with the white team and handed off to another #13 to end things.

Celestine is a good runner but he's got to work on catching passes. Wyatt looks good. spears only appeared on those returns due to a hamstring issue.

The offensive line play is just awful yet again. I do believe our D-line will be good but all reports had them winning all the time against the O-line. If that doesn't change it's more likely to be 2-10 again rather than a break through 10-2.

We have the summer and the fall to fix things thank goodness. They have their work cut out for them. No one got hurt which is always a good thing.
Indeed Win, thanks for that excellent report. I just wish what you saw was half as excellent. As I read your summary, it was like watching another of our lackluster games from last year—sacks, dropped passes, shanked kicks, and no OL. We just seem to keep doing the same thing, even though it rarely works. Was there anything new or different in anything that we did?
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Thanks as always win. A couple questions:

1) Can you put today showing in context vs the last year or two. Defense/offense looks better/worse

2) thought on the 3 QBs ? Looks like Kai had a good outing

3) how do you write the report ? Scribble notes ? Dictate into a mic ?
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Doing the same things over and over expecting a different result.

There's a word for that.
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Don't kill the messenger. Please. :D

Nothing new that stood out. But as I've said many times before WF is so old school with not wanting anyone to see anything that could give them an advantage that this game is usually very vanilla. That said it doesn't change the fact that the OL got its ass kicked yet again and all reports on the practices leading up to today indicate the it's been the same all spring. I know you believe me when I say I wish I could tell you otherwise and that this is going to be the breakthrough season.
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Bicoastalwave wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:59 pm Thanks as always win. A couple questions:

1) Can you put today showing in context vs the last year or two. Defense/offense looks better/worse

2) thought on the 3 QBs ? Looks like Kai had a good outing

3) how do you write the report ? Scribble notes ? Dictate into a mic ?
I have to say today was more disappointing. The QB's were just under siege. it was really hard to watch. I like the D-line but they are not that dominating.

Pratt was really under siege without Haynesworth . So hard to judge him. Horton did make a few nice throws and that was encouraging but he also threw some under pressure that were way off the mark. Haggard needs time.

I make notes. It's really a two man job but I do the best I can. Then there's the fact that Willie won't let people sit upstairs. The Glazer seats give a terrible view. it's another reason I didn't go through the aggravation of trying to write down the members of the various units.
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winwave wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:17 pm
Bicoastalwave wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:59 pm Thanks as always win. A couple questions:

1) Can you put today showing in context vs the last year or two. Defense/offense looks better/worse

2) thought on the 3 QBs ? Looks like Kai had a good outing

3) how do you write the report ? Scribble notes ? Dictate into a mic ?
I have to say today was more disappointing. The QB's were just under siege. it was really hard to watch. I like the D-line but they are not that dominating.

Pratt was really under siege without Haynesworth . So hard to judge him. Horton did make a few nice throws and that was encouraging but he also threw some under pressure that were way off the mark. Haggard needs time.

I make notes. It's really a two man job but I do the best I can. Then there's the fact that Willie won't let people sit upstairs. The Glazer seats give a terrible view. it's another reason I didn't go through the aggravation of trying to write down the members of the various units.
I appreciate the effort. Maybe we can go for 2 all the time.
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You're welcome. You're right Ii would be a good idea to go for 2 all the time.
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If we have the same problem with the OL that Fritz should have fixed by now, then getting up any excitement or enthusiasm for next season will be out the window! We have some talented QB's and running backs which will not help us to turn next season around without a decent line. Just more aggravation for whats left of the fan base and more evidence that "management" could care less about Tulane athletic success.
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Wish you guys will get off the Offensive line. The line only looks good when receivers run fast quick routes and the QB's do not hang on to the ball. When the QB's threw 1,2,3 on time the blocking was there allowing Horton to make good throws on the plays. Pratt still holds on to the ball too long having run on his mind, not sure if the receivers are running crisp routes, but the timing is not there making the line look bad!!! As far as Haggard he does not have the build as the other 3 quarterbacks, short, small frame, hard to see downfield. All the above will make it hard for him to transition from the high school to the college level. Another quote from Pratt, Horton will be great, same thing he said about Ibieta last year. Ok, 3 great quarterbacks on the same team something must give. Happy Easter Green Wave Nation :) :) :)
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Investigating pass protection with survival analysis

It follows that we can’t use sacks to evaluate an offensive line. Peyton Manning, arguably the greatest ever at avoiding sacks, would make a bad offensive line look good via sack rates, and on the flip side, a quarterback like Marcus Mariota featured very high sack rates throughout his five-year career despite playing behind an offensive line that graded out very well in PFF's grading system.

SURVIVAL ANALYSIS FOR OFFENSIVE LINES

With sacks eliminated from the discussion, we are left with basically nothing to statistically evaluate offensive line play prior to 2006, as 2006 is the year to which PFF’s thorough data collection dates back.
The time a quarterback spends in the pocket is the most important variable to control for. For that reason, the analytics team from ESPN has created their pass-block/pass-rush win rate, a metric that measures how often an offensive line survives for 2.5 seconds.
PFF has charted the time a quarterback holds the ball until he throws a pass, gets sacked or takes off for a scramble drill on each play since 2012. On plays with pressure, we also chart the time taken for the defense to register pressure. The latter part is very important because there's a difference between a quarterback who is pressured two seconds into the snap, manages to escape a sack, resets his feet and finally releases the ball after four seconds and a quarterback who has a clean pocket for four seconds then finally gets pressured and throws the ball away. Both plays feature a time to throw of four seconds and a pressure, but in the first scenario, the blame goes mostly to the offensive line, while the quarterback (and potentially his receivers for not getting open) is to blame in the second scenario.


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Bigschtick wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:38 am If we have the same problem with the OL that Fritz should have fixed by now, then getting up any excitement or enthusiasm for next season will be out the window! We have some talented QB's and running backs which will not help us to turn next season around without a decent line. Just more aggravation for whats left of the fan base and more evidence that "management" could care less about Tulane athletic success.
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There is very little, if anything, you can read about a team from a Spring game. The sides are mixed up and don't represent the actual team. You can watch individuals and assess them but not the team.
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MicMan wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:42 pm
Bigschtick wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:38 am If we have the same problem with the OL that Fritz should have fixed by now, then getting up any excitement or enthusiasm for next season will be out the window! We have some talented QB's and running backs which will not help us to turn next season around without a decent line. Just more aggravation for whats left of the fan base and more evidence that "management" could care less about Tulane athletic success.
Investigating pass protection with survival analysis
It follows that we can’t use sacks to evaluate an offensive line. Peyton Manning, arguably the greatest ever at avoiding sacks, would make a bad offensive line look good via sack rates, and on the flip side, a quarterback like Marcus Mariota featured very high sack rates throughout his five-year career despite playing behind an offensive line that graded out very well in PFF's grading system.
Professionals grading Offensive Line Performance versus opiniated Fans that lack the understanding how the Quarterback interfaces with the blocking schemes and Protection of the linemen. Linemen block an area to form a pocket, could be a stationary pocket or a moving pocket designed by the coaching staff and players..

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Teams either recruit large OL or athletic OL depending on offensive scheme. We do neither. The lack of consistency with OL coaches is a huge factor as well. I believe we will be better than advertised in the scrimmage. Heck the defense knows the play as soon as the offense breaks the huddle.
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spring "games" are now nothing more than a dellusional experience, designed to put Players is different color uniforms for the delite of a few fans... unlike the ole days when you had 130 players on the roster and U could actually have a game
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