Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion

[MicMan]

MORE HORSE DE-WORMER!

LOLOLOLOLOL

[DfromCT]

They're on a campus where EVERYONE ELSE ON CAMPUS is ALSO vaccinated. I'd bet some of these people go a week or more without even seeing an unvaxxed person. One day you'll realize, its not the unvaxxed causing this.

When were they vaccinated? How many have had booster shots? MOST IMPORTANTLY: How many of them were hospitalized or died after having been vaccinated?

Robert, have you seen Elvis lately?

[RobertM320]

They're on a campus where EVERYONE ELSE ON CAMPUS is ALSO vaccinated. I'd bet some of these people go a week or more without even seeing an unvaxxed person. One day you'll realize, its not the unvaxxed causing this.

When were they vaccinated? How many have had booster shots? MOST IMPORTANTLY: How many of them were hospitalized or died after having been vaccinated?

Robert, have you seen Elvis lately?

So what you're basically saying is, at any given time, there's no way to tell who REALLY counts as vaccinated? You've got 1500 staff and 6000 students on campus. How many are "fully vaxxed", which they had to be to register? How many are currently overdue for boosters? How many have had boosters and are due for another? Don't you see, its a never ending circle. You'll NEVER EVER EVER have a campus completely vaccinated. And, by simple deduction, you'll NEVER EVER EVER have a world completely vaccinated.

As for how many of them were hospitalized or died after having been vaccinated, that's great for them. If they're so protected from hospitalization and dying, then it DOESNT MATTER whether I'm vaccinated or not, does it?

If your house is damaged by a hurricane, does your insurance only pay out if your neighbor's house was also insured? I didn't think so.

[DfromCT]

So what you're basically saying is, at any given time, there's no way to tell who REALLY counts as vaccinated? You've got 1500 staff and 6000 students on campus. How many are "fully vaxxed", which they had to be to register? How many are currently overdue for boosters? How many have had boosters and are due for another? Don't you see, its a never ending circle. You'll NEVER EVER EVER have a campus completely vaccinated. And, by simple deduction, you'll NEVER EVER EVER have a world completely vaccinated.

As for how many of them were hospitalized or died after having been vaccinated, that's great for them. If they're so protected from hospitalization and dying, then it DOESNT MATTER whether I'm vaccinated or not, does it?

If your house is damaged by a hurricane, does your insurance only pay out if your neighbor's house was also insured? I didn't think so.

A new candidate for most ridiculous post of 2021, particularly the last paragraph. I won't bother to argue as I've already broken my promise to myself to disengage with those that call science conspiracy.

[RobertM320]

Where's the conspiracy.?There's no hard data science that shows natural immunity as inferior to the vax. They tell you there is, but no one is willing to provide the real numbers. And if the vax is better by itself than actually having had Covid, then there's no reason for anyone to worry about whether I've had Covid, not had Covid, unvaxxed, vaxxed, double vaxxed, double vaxxed + booster etc. Your vaccine should protect YOU. I didn't ask you to protect ME.

[Greeniegb]

Where's the conspiracy.?There's no hard data science that shows natural immunity as inferior to the vax. They tell you there is, but no one is willing to provide the real numbers. And if the vax is better by itself than actually having had Covid, then there's no reason for anyone to worry about whether I've had Covid, not had Covid, unvaxxed, vaxxed, double vaxxed, double vaxxed + booster etc. Your vaccine should protect YOU. I didn't ask you to protect ME.

I will give you hard data, natural immunity does not exist!!! My son in law caught covid twice in 6 months, and my granddaughter caught covid 3 times. People that think they have natural immunity are fooling themselves and infecting others. Covid is a new super virus we need to get use to. Viruses have a built in intelligence to mutate if we don't kill it quickly. Letting it live on is a disaster than may lead to a virus no vaccine can defeat. We better vaccine up to 80+ % or who knows what future mutations will be.

[MicMan]

"Socialist agenda". LOLOLOLOL

imbecile

[mbawavefan12]

They're on a campus where EVERYONE ELSE ON CAMPUS is ALSO vaccinated. I'd bet some of these people go a week or more without even seeing an unvaxxed person. One day you'll realize, its not the unvaxxed causing this.

You slant the narrative to meet your political confirmation bias.
The vaccine never promised 100% chance of not getting covid. It drastically limits your chance of getting AND reduces chances of spreading through vastly increases in recovery. Oh and drastically reduces chances of long term complications and oh ya death.

Your words and actions are decimating common citizenship, family and friend responsibilities. And yes I am aware that this will change nothing but I feel compelled to keep the narrative accurate for the off chance that this will encourage one person to get vaccinated/booster for what has been proven to be safe and effective by the absolute vast majority of medical professionals and not wacky online pseudo scientist.

[mbawavefan12]

Where's the conspiracy.?There's no hard data science that shows natural immunity as inferior to the vax. They tell you there is, but no one is willing to provide the real numbers. And if the vax is better by itself than actually having had Covid, then there's no reason for anyone to worry about whether I've had Covid, not had Covid, unvaxxed, vaxxed, double vaxxed, double vaxxed + booster etc. Your vaccine should protect YOU. I didn't ask you to protect ME.

The comparison is useless. And you have no way of knowing how long immunity lasts.
And it isn’t just about you, I should not have to explain this.

[RobertM320]

They're on a campus where EVERYONE ELSE ON CAMPUS is ALSO vaccinated. I'd bet some of these people go a week or more without even seeing an unvaxxed person. One day you'll realize, its not the unvaxxed causing this.

You slant the narrative to meet your political confirmation bias.
The vaccine never promised 100% chance of not getting covid. It drastically limits your chance of getting AND reduces chances of spreading through vastly increases in recovery. Oh and drastically reduces chances of long term complications and oh ya death.

Your words and actions are decimating common citizenship, family and friend responsibilities. And yes I am aware that this will change nothing but I feel compelled to keep the narrative accurate for the off chance that this will encourage one person to get vaccinated/booster for what has been proven to be safe and effective by the absolute vast majority of medical professionals and not wacky online pseudo scientist.

First, yes originally, they DID say the vaccine was 100% effective in keeping you from getting it. Historically, that's what VACCINES do. Which is why its called a measles VACCINE, but a flu SHOT. When that proved not to be the case, they changed the definition of vaccine to meet their needs.

No, I'm not decimating common citizenship at all. If the vaccine works, then you have nothing to worry about. If it doesn't work, why should I get it? And if you really think the entire world should risk injury from these vaccines and boosters forever, for the sake of the fraction of a percent of the world population that may not be able to get the vaccine, then you're nuts. Its up to the immunocompromised people to stay out of harm's way. If you're at risk, then you shouldn't be out and about taking chances.

I look at it this way:

Can you get Covid? Unvaxxed - Yes, Vaxxed - Yes
Can you transmit Covid? Unvaxxed - Yes, Vaxxed - Yes
Can you die from Covid? Unvaxxed - Yes. Vaxxed - Yes.
Can you get injured by the vaccine? Unvaxxed - NO, Vaxxed - Yes
Can you die from the Vaccine? Unvaxxed - NO, Vaxxed - Yes

You need to let go of the narrative that everyone that's not vaxxed is a walking disease factory. You're only at risk from me -- IF I HAVE THE DISEASE. And I'm just as much at risk from you - IF YOU HAVE THE DISEASE.


The vaccine is effective -- for a short period of time, against a certain strain. Then you need another shot, and another, and another, and another. That's not effective, or feasible. And don't act as if there's NO risks. More people have actually DIED from this vaccine already than died from the Swine Flu vaccine back in 2010, and they pulled that vaccine off the market because of it.

[HoustonWave]

Where's the conspiracy.?There's no hard data science that shows natural immunity as inferior to the vax. They tell you there is, but no one is willing to provide the real numbers. And if the vax is better by itself than actually having had Covid, then there's no reason for anyone to worry about whether I've had Covid, not had Covid, unvaxxed, vaxxed, double vaxxed, double vaxxed + booster etc. Your vaccine should protect YOU. I didn't ask you to protect ME.

I will give you hard data, natural immunity does not exist!!! My son in law caught covid twice in 6 months, and my granddaughter caught covid 3 times. People that think they have natural immunity are fooling themselves and infecting others. Covid is a new super virus we need to get use to. Viruses have a built in intelligence to mutate if we don't kill it quickly. Letting it live on is a disaster than may lead to a virus no vaccine can defeat. We better vaccine up to 80+ % or who knows what future mutations will be.

“Natural immunity does not exist!!!”? That has to be “breaking news” to the medical profession. If “natural immunity doesn’t exist”, how has mankind managed to survive until the 20th Century? We should be extinct—like Tulane leadership.

[RobertM320]

Interesting map. Currently the states with the LOWEST percentage of positivity in the country just happen to be the ones that are most open. Go figure that. Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana (in spite of Cantrell). They're the ONLY 4 STATES in the country with a case rate the last 7 days that is LESS THAN 100 per 100K. This doesn't make sense. Why aren't all these people dropping like flies? They refuse to wear masks, they gather together at football games and concerts, without a care in the world. How can that be? I guess all those Floridian super spreaders must be travelling somewhere else.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracke ... _community

[RobertM320]

So I guess according to gbg and win, there must not be a single qualified doctor in the entire country of Japan, because they're concerned enough about the vaccine adverse reactions to require a warning label saying "serious side effects".



https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20211204_12/

"Japan's health ministry has listed inflammation of the heart muscle and of the outer lining of the heart in younger males as possible serious side effects of the Moderna and Pfizer COVID vaccines.
The ministry held a panel of expert on Saturday and proposed warning of the risk by printing "serious side effects" on the documents attached to the vaccines."

[Greeniegb]

So I guess according to gbg and win, there must not be a single qualified doctor in the entire country of Japan, because they're concerned enough about the vaccine adverse reactions to require a warning label saying "serious side effects".



https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20211204_12/

"Japan's health ministry has listed inflammation of the heart muscle and of the outer lining of the heart in younger males as possible serious side effects of the Moderna and Pfizer COVID vaccines.
The ministry held a panel of expert on Saturday and proposed warning of the risk by printing "serious side effects" on the documents attached to the vaccines."

You are pathetic, 15 of 1 million had side effects, how many not taking the vaccine died more than 15 I assure you. Can you see past your nose some people that are allergic to peanut butter can die. Do you see warnings on Peanut butter jars. Lol you are a joke. If you are allergic to peanuts you may die from eating a peanut butter sandwich, lolllllll


Is peanut allergy the deadliest allergy?
Peanut allergy is one of the most deadly food allergies. Peanut cookies are the main source of peanuts. A research says that peanut allergies give a serious reaction. Severe peanut allergy can cause inflammation in the whole body and it the body goes to shock and then the patient needs an Epinephrine injection.

[winwave]

So I guess according to gbg and win, there must not be a single qualified doctor in the entire country of Japan, because they're concerned enough about the vaccine adverse reactions to require a warning label saying "serious side effects".



https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20211204_12/

"Japan's health ministry has listed inflammation of the heart muscle and of the outer lining of the heart in younger males as possible serious side effects of the Moderna and Pfizer COVID vaccines.
The ministry held a panel of expert on Saturday and proposed warning of the risk by printing "serious side effects" on the documents attached to the vaccines."

You are pathetic, 15 of 1 million had side effects, how many not taking the vaccine died more than 15 I assure you. Can you see past your nose some people that are allergic to peanut butter can die. Do you see warnings on Peanut butter jars. Lol you are a joke. If you are allergic to peanuts you may die from eating a peanut butter sandwich, lolllllll


Is peanut allergy the deadliest allergy?
Peanut allergy is one of the most deadly food allergies. Peanut cookies are the main source of peanuts. A research says that peanut allergies give a serious reaction. Severe peanut allergy can cause inflammation in the whole body and it the body goes to shock and then the patient needs an Epinephrine injection.

R320 thanks for the laugh. I thought they had required math courses at Tulane.

[mbawavefan12]

They're on a campus where EVERYONE ELSE ON CAMPUS is ALSO vaccinated. I'd bet some of these people go a week or more without even seeing an unvaxxed person. One day you'll realize, its not the unvaxxed causing this.

You slant the narrative to meet your political confirmation bias.
The vaccine never promised 100% chance of not getting covid. It drastically limits your chance of getting AND reduces chances of spreading through vastly increases in recovery. Oh and drastically reduces chances of long term complications and oh ya death.

Your words and actions are decimating common citizenship, family and friend responsibilities. And yes I am aware that this will change nothing but I feel compelled to keep the narrative accurate for the off chance that this will encourage one person to get vaccinated/booster for what has been proven to be safe and effective by the absolute vast majority of medical professionals and not wacky online pseudo scientist.

First, yes originally, they DID say the vaccine was 100% effective in keeping you from getting it. Historically, that's what VACCINES do. Which is why its called a measles VACCINE, but a flu SHOT. When that proved not to be the case, they changed the definition of vaccine to meet their needs.

No, I'm not decimating common citizenship at all. If the vaccine works, then you have nothing to worry about. If it doesn't work, why should I get it? And if you really think the entire world should risk injury from these vaccines and boosters forever, for the sake of the fraction of a percent of the world population that may not be able to get the vaccine, then you're nuts. Its up to the immunocompromised people to stay out of harm's way. If you're at risk, then you shouldn't be out and about taking chances.

I look at it this way:

Can you get Covid? Unvaxxed - Yes, Vaxxed - Yes
Can you transmit Covid? Unvaxxed - Yes, Vaxxed - Yes
Can you die from Covid? Unvaxxed - Yes. Vaxxed - Yes.
Can you get injured by the vaccine? Unvaxxed - NO, Vaxxed - Yes
Can you die from the Vaccine? Unvaxxed - NO, Vaxxed - Yes

You need to let go of the narrative that everyone that's not vaxxed is a walking disease factory. You're only at risk from me -- IF I HAVE THE DISEASE. And I'm just as much at risk from you - IF YOU HAVE THE DISEASE.


The vaccine is effective -- for a short period of time, against a certain strain. Then you need another shot, and another, and another, and another. That's not effective, or feasible. And don't act as if there's NO risks. More people have actually DIED from this vaccine already than died from the Swine Flu vaccine back in 2010, and they pulled that vaccine off the market because of it.

Good lord you are so twisted.

The public discourse shows that I tried.

Cultivate enragement to create engagement. You are a pawn in the AI environment and there are so many ants marching like yourself.

Please people, get the vaccine, get boostered and let’s get out of this hell. I know there are political aspects that don’t meet your values but the vaccine is effective and safe…and no respected voice has said you nor your place in society is better staying unvaccinated.

[Greeniegb]

Where's the conspiracy.?There's no hard data science that shows natural immunity as inferior to the vax. They tell you there is, but no one is willing to provide the real numbers. And if the vax is better by itself than actually having had Covid, then there's no reason for anyone to worry about whether I've had Covid, not had Covid, unvaxxed, vaxxed, double vaxxed, double vaxxed + booster etc. Your vaccine should protect YOU. I didn't ask you to protect ME.

I will give you hard data, natural immunity does not exist!!! My son in law caught covid twice in 6 months, and my granddaughter caught covid 3 times. People that think they have natural immunity are fooling themselves and infecting others. Covid is a new super virus we need to get use to. Viruses have a built in intelligence to mutate if we don't kill it quickly. Letting it live on is a disaster than may lead to a virus no vaccine can defeat. We better vaccine up to 80+ % or who knows what future mutations will be.

“Natural immunity does not exist!!!”? That has to be “breaking news” to the medical profession. If “natural immunity doesn’t exist”, how has mankind managed to survive until the 20th Century? We should be extinct—like Tulane leadership.

Don't be an idiot, I am stating facts as the virus mutates immunity is lost. Why do you think each year the freaking flu vaccine has to be changed and adjusted to the latest strain. Just so happens covid19 spreads faster and easier allowing it to mutate more quickly. The only way to defeat it is to be faster than it and vaccinate quicker and stay ahead of the mutations dingbat!!!

[HoustonWave]

Colorado Dem Governor bucks his party and ends all masking—stating if someone isn’t vaxed it’s their own fault. Good luck to them cuz they’ll probably need it. Hooray—we’re throwing away the masks here in Colorado.

[msdos]

look at all these tulane doctors in this thread

[RobertM320]

So none of you bothered to READ THE ARTICLE. That's par for the course.

It says that"as of November 14, out of every one million males who had the Moderna vaccine, such side effects were reported in 81.79 males aged 10 to 19 and 48.76 males in their 20s.

The figures were 15.66 and 13.32 respectively for those who had the Pfizer vaccine."


So there were 81.79 + 48.76 = 130.55 per million, JUST with males in their teens and 20s. That doesn't even take into account people over 29 and that was JUST the Moderna vaccine. Add another 29 people for the Pfizer, per million, JUST in the 29 and under category.

And we're talking ONE SPECIFIC side effect, not ALL side effects. Yeah, its a whole lot more than 15, people. Now figure out how many total side effects, when you factor in all ages and categories, and all the different side effects, and if you still say this vaccine is safe, then you're just a fool.

[RobertM320]

So I guess according to gbg and win, there must not be a single qualified doctor in the entire country of Japan, because they're concerned enough about the vaccine adverse reactions to require a warning label saying "serious side effects".



https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20211204_12/

"Japan's health ministry has listed inflammation of the heart muscle and of the outer lining of the heart in younger males as possible serious side effects of the Moderna and Pfizer COVID vaccines.
The ministry held a panel of expert on Saturday and proposed warning of the risk by printing "serious side effects" on the documents attached to the vaccines."

You are pathetic, 15 of 1 million had side effects, how many not taking the vaccine died more than 15 I assure you. Can you see past your nose some people that are allergic to peanut butter can die. Do you see warnings on Peanut butter jars. Lol you are a joke. If you are allergic to peanuts you may die from eating a peanut butter sandwich, lolllllll


Is peanut allergy the deadliest allergy?
Peanut allergy is one of the most deadly food allergies. Peanut cookies are the main source of peanuts. A research says that peanut allergies give a serious reaction. Severe peanut allergy can cause inflammation in the whole body and it the body goes to shock and then the patient needs an Epinephrine injection.

Try counting again, gbg, its over 160 per million, not 15, and that's ONLY for males 29 and under, and for only one side effect. You think there's no other side effects than this one, and that no one over 29 has an adverse reaction?

[MicMan]

LOL

Imbecile

[RobertM320]

Here's your master, Fuhrer Fauci.. What's that he's saying? He's saying that its possible the vaccine is making people MORE LIKELY to be infected by the virus? Out of the mouth of Mr. "follow the science". Of course, anyone with half a brain figured that out a long time ago. But keep getting those jabs.

"This would not be the first time, if it happened, that a vaccine that looked good in initial safety actually made people worse."

THIS is why the vaccines needed more clinical trials and more testing before being forced on the world population.

But I guess I'm just a conspiracy theorist.

[MicMan]

That interview was from March 2020 and Fauci was talking about a single respiratory vaccine from the late Sixties in which two patients died. More crap taken out of context.

[winwave]

That interview was from March 2020 and Fauci was talking about a single respiratory vaccine from the late Sixties in which two patients died. More crap taken out of context.

Yep. It's what Robert does.