We had this argument when you or someone else posted the same link to the same article two months ago when it came out. The AAPS is a splinter group that represents a very, very, very small portion of licensed doctors and surgeons. It's two months later, how'd that lawsuit work out?Show Me wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:52 pm The Doctors lawsuit vs the FDA continues against interference on life saving hydroxychloroquine
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I certainly applaud you for wearing a mask unlike some people on here. A subject is scientifically controversial when actively debated by legions of scientists, not when actively debated by the public, the press, or by politicians. I wonder why you can't find any scientific peer reviewed paper that supports the premise that face masks don't curb the carona spread, however you can point to voluminous academically peer reviewed papers that support the opposite. Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it's not true, as the evidence backing it begs the differ. I can literally point to countries with loads of evidence on how face masks work, but somehow here we are again, debating the validity of whether masks work. Cognitive dissonance is real and it has clearly checked your common sense at the door if you think this subject is even remotely debatable.HoustonWave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:40 pmWhile I wear a mask constantly, there is diversity in thought regarding masks--led by our own Dr. Fauci who has flipped flopped on that very issue. And as far as the Dem's "believe the scientist"--what a crock that is. Science inherently deals with topics of uncertainty, where there is usually various views and beliefs. Science doesn't have a role in whether the sun will rise in the east tomorrow, as there is no diversity of thought about that topic. But any topic that involves science, by definition has disagreements of views and thoughts. Hence the Dems warped view that science offers absolute answers--it rarely does. If there isn't disagreement on a topic, then there probably isn't much science involved. Science only concerns itself with matters of disagreement and the unknown, and therefore science rarely concerns itself with absolutes--like Pelosi tries to suggest---listening to her babble on about science is hysterical.GreenPuddleSplash wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:22 pmThere's no diversity of thought when science has proven certain things like how wearing masks cut down the spread of carona, but somehow we're acting like this is debatable.HoustonWave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:56 pmIf they serve and treat patients then they have far more credibility, even if they also pursue clinical research at university hospitals, than those whose noses never come up out of a book, or who spend their career playing bureaucratic games. As far as those on this board who didn't learn at Tulane--you'll have a great disparity of opinion as to who exactly failed to learn. The one kind of diversity that the Left hate--diversity of thought.GreenPuddleSplash wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:05 pmAnd what if, just what if, and think about this before you answer, if those clinical physicians are also medical academics especially all of those at University hospitals who train the clinical physicians, will you believe them? Regardless, just like MBA stated this thread is extremely disappointing. A ton of people in here deserve a refund from TU as they clearly didn't learn anything while in school.HoustonWave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:48 pm I’ll believe the patients and clinical physicians, as opposed to the medical academics.
Glenn Beck’s entire family went on HCQ after getting Covid. One of the Dr’s promoting its use yesterday was his guest.
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Let's see:
- Hydroxychloroquine works
- Face masks don't
- Having sex in your dreams with demons and witches causes cysts
- Alien DNA is used in medical treatments
- A vaccine is being developed to prevent people from being religious
- The government is run in part by 'reptilians' and other aliens
Dr.’s prescribing HCQ because it works. Nothing more. There’s zero profit in it for big Pharma is my guess as to why the pushback.GreenLantern wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:48 am Let's see:Take off your masks and enjoy the treat favored by White House staff:
- Hydroxychloroquine works
- Face masks don't
- Having sex in your dreams with demons and witches causes cysts
- Alien DNA is used in medical treatments
- A vaccine is being developed to prevent people from being religious
- The government is run in part by 'reptilians' and other aliens
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But conspiracy theories say the guy that lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is profiting from it. Hey, the GOP has it's propaganda machine, so do the Dems.
That box of Oreos is an instant classic. I didn't find the Surgeon General's warning about heart attacks and other cardiovascular related side affects.
That box of Oreos is an instant classic. I didn't find the Surgeon General's warning about heart attacks and other cardiovascular related side affects.
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Yes that was thrown out there but was immediately debunked.DfromCT wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:48 am But conspiracy theories say the guy that lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is profiting from it. Hey, the GOP has it's propaganda machine, so do the Dems.
That box of Oreos is an instant classic. I didn't find the Surgeon General's warning about heart attacks and other cardiovascular related side affects.
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I haven't found scientific journals supporting or disavowing the use of masks because I haven't looked for one. As I have said, I don't put much stock in "scientific" journals which are often skewed for a variety of reasons. As far as my own views, not withstanding your on-going misinterpretations, I do believe masks help--that's why I wear them. That said, there is clearly disagreement throughout society, and the "scientific" academic journals will never be the referee in such a discussion--over the years, the scientific community, that love to get on the soap box, have largely lost their credibility. The scientific researchers that actually do the heavy lifting don't get into the public fray and are not bedazzled by the bright media lights. I could care even less what "scientist" from other countries say--I'll let the clinical physicians who treat patients make those assessments. You continue to be mesmerized and starry-eyed by the "scientists"--just like Pelosi and Schumer want you to.GreenPuddleSplash wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:05 pmI certainly applaud you for wearing a mask unlike some people on here. A subject is scientifically controversial when actively debated by legions of scientists, not when actively debated by the public, the press, or by politicians. I wonder why you can't find any scientific peer reviewed paper that supports the premise that face masks don't curb the carona spread, however you can point to voluminous academically peer reviewed papers that support the opposite. Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it's not true, as the evidence backing it begs the differ. I can literally point to countries with loads of evidence on how face masks work, but somehow here we are again, debating the validity of whether masks work. Cognitive dissonance is real and it has clearly checked your common sense at the door if you think this subject is even remotely debatable.HoustonWave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:40 pmWhile I wear a mask constantly, there is diversity in thought regarding masks--led by our own Dr. Fauci who has flipped flopped on that very issue. And as far as the Dem's "believe the scientist"--what a crock that is. Science inherently deals with topics of uncertainty, where there is usually various views and beliefs. Science doesn't have a role in whether the sun will rise in the east tomorrow, as there is no diversity of thought about that topic. But any topic that involves science, by definition has disagreements of views and thoughts. Hence the Dems warped view that science offers absolute answers--it rarely does. If there isn't disagreement on a topic, then there probably isn't much science involved. Science only concerns itself with matters of disagreement and the unknown, and therefore science rarely concerns itself with absolutes--like Pelosi tries to suggest---listening to her babble on about science is hysterical.GreenPuddleSplash wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:22 pmThere's no diversity of thought when science has proven certain things like how wearing masks cut down the spread of carona, but somehow we're acting like this is debatable.HoustonWave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:56 pmIf they serve and treat patients then they have far more credibility, even if they also pursue clinical research at university hospitals, than those whose noses never come up out of a book, or who spend their career playing bureaucratic games. As far as those on this board who didn't learn at Tulane--you'll have a great disparity of opinion as to who exactly failed to learn. The one kind of diversity that the Left hate--diversity of thought.GreenPuddleSplash wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:05 pmAnd what if, just what if, and think about this before you answer, if those clinical physicians are also medical academics especially all of those at University hospitals who train the clinical physicians, will you believe them? Regardless, just like MBA stated this thread is extremely disappointing. A ton of people in here deserve a refund from TU as they clearly didn't learn anything while in school.HoustonWave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:48 pm I’ll believe the patients and clinical physicians, as opposed to the medical academics.
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Wow, just wow. Your last few sentences are beyond comprehension and saving at this point. I will just leave it at that.HoustonWave wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:46 amI haven't found scientific journals supporting or disavowing the use of masks because I haven't looked for one. As I have said, I don't put much stock in "scientific" journals which are often skewed for a variety of reasons. As far as my own views, not withstanding your on-going misinterpretations, I do believe masks help--that's why I wear them. That said, there is clearly disagreement throughout society, and the "scientific" academic journals will never be the referee in such a discussion--over the years, the scientific community, that love to get on the soap box, have largely lost their credibility. The scientific researchers that actually do the heavy lifting don't get into the public fray and are not bedazzled by the bright media lights. I could care even less what "scientist" from other countries say--I'll let the clinical physicians who treat patients make those assessments. You continue to be mesmerized and starry-eyed by the "scientists"--just like Pelosi and Schumer want you to.GreenPuddleSplash wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:05 pmI certainly applaud you for wearing a mask unlike some people on here. A subject is scientifically controversial when actively debated by legions of scientists, not when actively debated by the public, the press, or by politicians. I wonder why you can't find any scientific peer reviewed paper that supports the premise that face masks don't curb the carona spread, however you can point to voluminous academically peer reviewed papers that support the opposite. Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it's not true, as the evidence backing it begs the differ. I can literally point to countries with loads of evidence on how face masks work, but somehow here we are again, debating the validity of whether masks work. Cognitive dissonance is real and it has clearly checked your common sense at the door if you think this subject is even remotely debatable.HoustonWave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:40 pmWhile I wear a mask constantly, there is diversity in thought regarding masks--led by our own Dr. Fauci who has flipped flopped on that very issue. And as far as the Dem's "believe the scientist"--what a crock that is. Science inherently deals with topics of uncertainty, where there is usually various views and beliefs. Science doesn't have a role in whether the sun will rise in the east tomorrow, as there is no diversity of thought about that topic. But any topic that involves science, by definition has disagreements of views and thoughts. Hence the Dems warped view that science offers absolute answers--it rarely does. If there isn't disagreement on a topic, then there probably isn't much science involved. Science only concerns itself with matters of disagreement and the unknown, and therefore science rarely concerns itself with absolutes--like Pelosi tries to suggest---listening to her babble on about science is hysterical.GreenPuddleSplash wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:22 pmThere's no diversity of thought when science has proven certain things like how wearing masks cut down the spread of carona, but somehow we're acting like this is debatable.HoustonWave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:56 pmIf they serve and treat patients then they have far more credibility, even if they also pursue clinical research at university hospitals, than those whose noses never come up out of a book, or who spend their career playing bureaucratic games. As far as those on this board who didn't learn at Tulane--you'll have a great disparity of opinion as to who exactly failed to learn. The one kind of diversity that the Left hate--diversity of thought.GreenPuddleSplash wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:05 pmAnd what if, just what if, and think about this before you answer, if those clinical physicians are also medical academics especially all of those at University hospitals who train the clinical physicians, will you believe them? Regardless, just like MBA stated this thread is extremely disappointing. A ton of people in here deserve a refund from TU as they clearly didn't learn anything while in school.HoustonWave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:48 pm I’ll believe the patients and clinical physicians, as opposed to the medical academics.
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Hydroxychloroquine ban reversed in Ohio.
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The problem with all these "failed trials" of HCQ is that they're purposely using ONLY HCQ, and giving it to hospitalized patients. All the people having success with it are using it WITH Z-pak and Zinc, and using it in early treatment. Those failed trials are purposely set up to fail, so as to push the vaccine and/or a patented drug like Remdesivir. This particular doctor got his degree from Columbia university, so he's not just some hack from another country.
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These medical bureaucrats live by their "randomized controlled trials"--never mind that practicing physicians are saving peoples lives with HCQ.RobertM320 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:48 am The problem with all these "failed trials" of HCQ is that they're purposely using ONLY HCQ, and giving it to hospitalized patients. All the people having success with it are using it WITH Z-pak and Zinc, and using it in early treatment. Those failed trials are purposely set up to fail, so as to push the vaccine and/or a patented drug like Remdesivir. This particular doctor got his degree from Columbia university, so he's not just some hack from another country.
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It's funny you cite a doctor who's "academic paper" is a google doc and his partner Gregory Rigano is a fraud and a half claiming to be associated with Stanford. You're being fooled by modern day snakeoil salesmen. By the way, both James and Gregory have some scammy-crypto they can sell you.RobertM320 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:48 am The problem with all these "failed trials" of HCQ is that they're purposely using ONLY HCQ, and giving it to hospitalized patients. All the people having success with it are using it WITH Z-pak and Zinc, and using it in early treatment. Those failed trials are purposely set up to fail, so as to push the vaccine and/or a patented drug like Remdesivir. This particular doctor got his degree from Columbia university, so he's not just some hack from another country.
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Ok Dr. Robert. You do realize that typically talking HcQ and Z-Pak is contraindicated because it can increase the QT interval and increasing the risk for heart arrhythmia. Also Dr Robert, they’ve had much more success using a cheap drug like Dexamethasone in critically ill patients. Most people not in the hospital don’t need any treatments for the COVID.RobertM320 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:48 am The problem with all these "failed trials" of HCQ is that they're purposely using ONLY HCQ, and giving it to hospitalized patients. All the people having success with it are using it WITH Z-pak and Zinc, and using it in early treatment. Those failed trials are purposely set up to fail, so as to push the vaccine and/or a patented drug like Remdesivir. This particular doctor got his degree from Columbia university, so he's not just some hack from another country.
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And greenie78, you'll notice I said its recommended NOT to use it on critically ill patients. But there's a difference between hospitalized and critically ill. And you are correct, most people not in the hospital don't need treatments. But what about those that do? Should we just ignore something that may work for a certain segment of the population, just because we feel "Orange Man Bad". I mean, come on, people, wake up. Since when did we get to the point where we're not willing to TRY and save people's lives? There's enough evidence from enough doctors worldwide that show HCQ can be helpful. To ignore that just because you hate Trump is willful ignorance, and its causing people to die.
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