$200m stadium renovations for Memphis & The liberty bowl

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Thought this needed its own topic. The renderings are impressive



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Wow. Looks very nice. And all ever wanted was a wave pool....

As much as I do not like some of these other schools and fans, I will applaud them. Maybe it is a waste of funds in the end, but sitting idle and doing nothing also has become a waste of money.
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Memphis gets it. They are making a statement of commitment in the attempt to not get left behind. It’s really do or die time for any G5 school that wants to make the leap up the latter. If you sit still and do nothing you are falling behind. They are positioning themselves for the next expansion now which is exactly what you need to be doing today.
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The picture always looks much nicer and futuristic than the reality.
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tpstulane wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 10:40 am Memphis gets it. They are making a statement of commitment in the attempt to not get left behind. It’s really do or die time for any G5 school that wants to make the leap up the latter. If you sit still and do nothing you are falling behind. They are positioning themselves for the next expansion now which is exactly what you need to be doing today.
Sitting still and doing nothing is Tulane’s specialty.
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anEngineer wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 8:54 pm The picture always looks much nicer and futuristic than the reality.
Classic Tulanian response. :roll:

The fact is by doing this they give themselves a chance to move up. If that doesn't work they could still dominate the G5 and get the NY6 slot on a regular basis and still be relevant.
Small time facilities for small time programs.
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Unlike Tulane, Memphis, along with many other universities, realize that it’s important to take actions based on the world you live in, not the world you wish you could live in.
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HoustonWave wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 7:40 am Unlike Tulane, Memphis, along with many other universities, realize that it’s important to take actions based on the world you live in, not the world you wish you could live in.
Exactly. We don't live in a perfect world.
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Eventually Memphis will get a Big 12 invite. And Tulane won’t. It is what it is. Tulane isn’t willing to excel in athletics. Loser mentality.
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HoustonWave wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 8:55 pm
tpstulane wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 10:40 am Memphis gets it. They are making a statement of commitment in the attempt to not get left behind. It’s really do or die time for any G5 school that wants to make the leap up the latter. If you sit still and do nothing you are falling behind. They are positioning themselves for the next expansion now which is exactly what you need to be doing today.
Sitting still and doing nothing is Tulane’s specialty.
Liberty Bowl renovations are paid with public funds, Tulane doesn't have the luxury. Compare apples to apples.
The city of Memphis has commissioned a proposal from a major architectural firm as part of its plans to create a revamped Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium in the coming years, a city official confirmed Monday.

Nick Walker, the director of the city’s division of parks and neighborhoods, told the Commercial Appeal that architects and certain stadium stakeholders did a walkthrough of the facility ahead of the Memphis-UTSA football game less than two weeks ago.

The city expects to receive a quote on a new master plan for a reimagined Liberty Bowl next week.

“And then,” Walker said, “we figure out what we can afford to do.”
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Greeniegb wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 4:51 pm
HoustonWave wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 8:55 pm
tpstulane wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 10:40 am Memphis gets it. They are making a statement of commitment in the attempt to not get left behind. It’s really do or die time for any G5 school that wants to make the leap up the latter. If you sit still and do nothing you are falling behind. They are positioning themselves for the next expansion now which is exactly what you need to be doing today.
Sitting still and doing nothing is Tulane’s specialty.
Liberty Bowl renovations are paid with public funds, Tulane doesn't have the luxury. Compare apples to apples.
The city of Memphis has commissioned a proposal from a major architectural firm as part of its plans to create a revamped Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium in the coming years, a city official confirmed Monday.

Nick Walker, the director of the city’s division of parks and neighborhoods, told the Commercial Appeal that architects and certain stadium stakeholders did a walkthrough of the facility ahead of the Memphis-UTSA football game less than two weeks ago.

The city expects to receive a quote on a new master plan for a reimagined Liberty Bowl next week.

“And then,” Walker said, “we figure out what we can afford to do.”
So had we stayed in the dome could we could claim $500 million facelift?
Stadiums get old, winning never does.
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tpstulane wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 6:41 pm
Greeniegb wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 4:51 pm
HoustonWave wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 8:55 pm

Sitting still and doing nothing is Tulane’s specialty.
Liberty Bowl renovations are paid with public funds, Tulane doesn't have the luxury. Compare apples to apples.
The city of Memphis has commissioned a proposal from a major architectural firm as part of its plans to create a revamped Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium in the coming years, a city official confirmed Monday.

Nick Walker, the director of the city’s division of parks and neighborhoods, told the Commercial Appeal that architects and certain stadium stakeholders did a walkthrough of the facility ahead of the Memphis-UTSA football game less than two weeks ago.

The city expects to receive a quote on a new master plan for a reimagined Liberty Bowl next week.

“And then,” Walker said, “we figure out what we can afford to do.”
So had we stayed in the dome could we could claim $500 million facelift?
Unfortunately, yes, we are a private university that does not have resources of public universities. We are slaved to rich alumni and backers.
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From UCF fans dictate stadium expansion!!!
Half of the money would be spent on expanding Bright House Stadium to include an open-air deck, more suites and 10,000 more seats.
UCF seeks to expand athletic facilities
The stadium already has attendance issues, and athletics director David Hansen said they would need to see better attendance before adding extra seats.

"We are in no means ready to do that at this point, really our fan base will tell us when we need to do that," he said.

At many home games last year, there were 10,000 empty seats.

Hansen said the only reason the new seats are even in the plans is because they needed to plan ahead.


The stadium expansion would cost $32 million.
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Greeniegb wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 4:51 pm
HoustonWave wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 8:55 pm
tpstulane wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 10:40 am Memphis gets it. They are making a statement of commitment in the attempt to not get left behind. It’s really do or die time for any G5 school that wants to make the leap up the latter. If you sit still and do nothing you are falling behind. They are positioning themselves for the next expansion now which is exactly what you need to be doing today.
Sitting still and doing nothing is Tulane’s specialty.
Liberty Bowl renovations are paid with public funds, Tulane doesn't have the luxury. Compare apples to apples.
The city of Memphis has commissioned a proposal from a major architectural firm as part of its plans to create a revamped Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium in the coming years, a city official confirmed Monday.

Nick Walker, the director of the city’s division of parks and neighborhoods, told the Commercial Appeal that architects and certain stadium stakeholders did a walkthrough of the facility ahead of the Memphis-UTSA football game less than two weeks ago.

The city expects to receive a quote on a new master plan for a reimagined Liberty Bowl next week.

“And then,” Walker said, “we figure out what we can afford to do.”
Yada, yada, yada—excuses. The Liberty Bowl will get renovated with public funds because it’s a public stadium, and nobody cares but you gbgreenie. Tulane could try numerous other strategies to invest in its athletic programs, but chooses not to. Help the cause gbGreenie, and keep on serving up excuses.
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HoustonWave wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 8:08 pm
Greeniegb wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 4:51 pm
HoustonWave wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 8:55 pm

Sitting still and doing nothing is Tulane’s specialty.
Liberty Bowl renovations are paid with public funds, Tulane doesn't have the luxury. Compare apples to apples.
The city of Memphis has commissioned a proposal from a major architectural firm as part of its plans to create a revamped Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium in the coming years, a city official confirmed Monday.

Nick Walker, the director of the city’s division of parks and neighborhoods, told the Commercial Appeal that architects and certain stadium stakeholders did a walkthrough of the facility ahead of the Memphis-UTSA football game less than two weeks ago.

The city expects to receive a quote on a new master plan for a reimagined Liberty Bowl next week.

“And then,” Walker said, “we figure out what we can afford to do.”
Yada, yada, yada—excuses. The Liberty Bowl will get renovated with public funds because it’s a public stadium, and nobody cares but you gbgreenie. Tulane could try numerous other strategies to invest in its athletic programs, but chooses not to. Help the cause gbGreenie, and keep on serving up excuses.
YADA, Yada, your usually avoiding facts Houston Wave Memphis just has to sit back and they get public funds thrown at them, minus public funds and this renovation to the liberty bowl would not happen. Tulane has to beg in good faith that donations will yield results. They have to beg that if they expand Yulman to 40+ thousand seats that those like you will fill the stands. Hard sell with all the negatism by the fan base!!!
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Greeniegb wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 10:28 am
HoustonWave wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 8:08 pm
Greeniegb wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 4:51 pm
Liberty Bowl renovations are paid with public funds, Tulane doesn't have the luxury. Compare apples to apples.
The city of Memphis has commissioned a proposal from a major architectural firm as part of its plans to create a revamped Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium in the coming years, a city official confirmed Monday.

Nick Walker, the director of the city’s division of parks and neighborhoods, told the Commercial Appeal that architects and certain stadium stakeholders did a walkthrough of the facility ahead of the Memphis-UTSA football game less than two weeks ago.

The city expects to receive a quote on a new master plan for a reimagined Liberty Bowl next week.

“And then,” Walker said, “we figure out what we can afford to do.”
Yada, yada, yada—excuses. The Liberty Bowl will get renovated with public funds because it’s a public stadium, and nobody cares but you gbgreenie. Tulane could try numerous other strategies to invest in its athletic programs, but chooses not to. Help the cause gbGreenie, and keep on serving up excuses.
YADA, Yada, your usually avoiding facts Houston Wave Memphis just has to sit back and they get public funds thrown at them, minus public funds and this renovation to the liberty bowl would not happen. Tulane has to beg in good faith that donations will yield results. They have to beg that if they expand Yulman to 40+ thousand seats that those like you will fill the stands. Hard sell with all the negatism by the fan base!!!
Hard sell, by a Tulane administration that doesn't try.
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If you want to make the apples to apples case, then look no further than the small private school, conference mate SMU and their investments.
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While I agree with gbg that there's a significant difference between a public stadium being renovated (and $200 million buys a hell of a lot of renovations, heck it's more than 2x what Tulane spent to build Yulman) that's where the discussion changes. The City of Memphis is willing to invest in a facility that is the home of the Tigers. The City of New Orleans, lead by a select few from the NIMBY krewe, destroyed plans for a beautiful intimate stadium with their silly restrictions and forced a weakling Tulane administration to buckle at the knees and build an eyesore. Tulane continues to be Tulane's worst enemy. Fighting the nimby's in 2013 would have easily allowed Tulane to build as planned, but Cow/Dick chose to appease the locals. Not for nothing, the NIMBY's bought their property knowing full well they lived next to the city's largest private employer.
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DfromCT wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 12:09 pm While I agree with gbg that there's a significant difference between a public stadium being renovated (and $200 million buys a hell of a lot of renovations, heck it's more than 2x what Tulane spent to build Yulman) that's where the discussion changes. The City of Memphis is willing to invest in a facility that is the home of the Tigers. The City of New Orleans, lead by a select few from the NIMBY krewe, destroyed plans for a beautiful intimate stadium with their silly restrictions and forced a weakling Tulane administration to buckle at the knees and build an eyesore. Tulane continues to be Tulane's worst enemy. Fighting the nimby's in 2013 would have easily allowed Tulane to build as planned, but Cow/Dick chose to appease the locals. Not for nothing, the NIMBY's bought their property knowing full well they lived next to the city's largest private employer.
Agree, Tulane not only has internal issues, but the community has never supported the University like other communities. A base of LSU alumni and fans in the community fight against Tulane getting anywhere. Here is a major point think about it: Wave fans remember the last game between Tulane and LSU in the Superdome when Tulane whipped up on the Kitty Kats in the lst half. I was sitting close to Shaun King in the stands. Anyone remember the attendance that day? 55,000 of which probably 25,000 were Wave fans. Where were the other 60,000+ LSU fans on that night??? That game should have sold out but a large number of LSU fans boycotted the game!!! LSU sells out against the Akron NIts but can't show up in the dome against Tulane. Many local and political power is fighting the success of Tulane in being a Football Power!!! Tulane not only goes at it alone, but has other powers to be against its success, Maybe even on its own board, who knows!!!
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Greeniegb wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 3:21 pm
DfromCT wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 12:09 pm While I agree with gbg that there's a significant difference between a public stadium being renovated (and $200 million buys a hell of a lot of renovations, heck it's more than 2x what Tulane spent to build Yulman) that's where the discussion changes. The City of Memphis is willing to invest in a facility that is the home of the Tigers. The City of New Orleans, lead by a select few from the NIMBY krewe, destroyed plans for a beautiful intimate stadium with their silly restrictions and forced a weakling Tulane administration to buckle at the knees and build an eyesore. Tulane continues to be Tulane's worst enemy. Fighting the nimby's in 2013 would have easily allowed Tulane to build as planned, but Cow/Dick chose to appease the locals. Not for nothing, the NIMBY's bought their property knowing full well they lived next to the city's largest private employer.
Agree, Tulane not only has internal issues, but the community has never supported the University like other communities. A base of LSU alumni and fans in the community fight against Tulane getting anywhere. Here is a major point think about it: Wave fans remember the last game between Tulane and LSU in the Superdome when Tulane whipped up on the Kitty Kats in the lst half. I was sitting close to Shaun King in the stands. Anyone remember the attendance that day? 55,000 of which probably 25,000 were Wave fans. Where were the other 60,000+ LSU fans on that night??? That game should have sold out but a large number of LSU fans boycotted the game!!! LSU sells out against the Akron NIts but can't show up in the dome against Tulane. Many local and political power is fighting the success of Tulane in being a Football Power!!! Tulane not only goes at it alone, but has other powers to be against its success, Maybe even on its own board, who knows!!!
We ALMOST won the first half in that game. We did take a 9-7 lead with 4 minutes left in the half, but gave up a field goal in the last minute of the half.

But you are right on in that every corner, and I say definitely Tulane's Board (though they think they're doing right) is going against Tulane Athletics. As fans we get Tulane'd by Tulane. I guess the joke is on us for hoping/praying/believing there's a chance that we get something different.
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You really have to wonder if Tulane Administrators understand the marketing value of having the Tulane brand on nationally televised events every weekend. Are they just so arrogant and elitist that they feel they don't need or want that? It's the kind of question that we just want to have answered to know where we stand.
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Actions speak louder than words. Their actions for 75 years tell us that they don’t care. That action 75 years ago was to de-emphasize athletics and they continue that to this day.
Small time facilities for small time programs.
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anEngineer wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 4:48 pm You really have to wonder if Tulane Administrators understand the marketing value of having the Tulane brand on nationally televised events every weekend. Are they just so arrogant and elitist that they feel they don't need or want that? It's the kind of question that we just want to have answered to know where we stand.
I’m with engineer here. Use an academic argument against them. Ultimately you can have academics and integrity and win. There have been a couple studies that estimate Tulane has lost 9 +figures from leaving the SEC. That buys a lot of high end professors, chairs, and prestige. Look at Boston College or TCU. Boston college had limited academic and national appeal before flutey and their football team. TCU and Baylor aren’t academic stalwarts but made major jumps via football. There are many examples.
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Bicoastalwave wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 6:58 pm
anEngineer wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 4:48 pm You really have to wonder if Tulane Administrators understand the marketing value of having the Tulane brand on nationally televised events every weekend. Are they just so arrogant and elitist that they feel they don't need or want that? It's the kind of question that we just want to have answered to know where we stand.
I’m with engineer here. Use an academic argument against them. Ultimately you can have academics and integrity and win. There have been a couple studies that estimate Tulane has lost 9 +figures from leaving the SEC. That buys a lot of high end professors, chairs, and prestige. Look at Boston College or TCU. Boston college had limited academic and national appeal before flutey and their football team. TCU and Baylor aren’t academic stalwarts but made major jumps via football. There are many examples.
Many examples is right.
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Bicoastalwave wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 6:58 pm
anEngineer wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 4:48 pm You really have to wonder if Tulane Administrators understand the marketing value of having the Tulane brand on nationally televised events every weekend. Are they just so arrogant and elitist that they feel they don't need or want that? It's the kind of question that we just want to have answered to know where we stand.
I’m with engineer here. Use an academic argument against them. Ultimately you can have academics and integrity and win. There have been a couple studies that estimate Tulane has lost 9 +figures from leaving the SEC. That buys a lot of high end professors, chairs, and prestige. Look at Boston College or TCU. Boston college had limited academic and national appeal before flutey and their football team. TCU and Baylor aren’t academic stalwarts but made major jumps via football. There are many examples.
That argument has been made over and over and over and over they don't change their stance on de-emphasis.
Small time facilities for small time programs.
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