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Since it will be the university presidents that ultimately decide who goes into what conference, does anyone know what university presidents Fitts has a close relationship with? Any west of the Appalachians?
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If OU and UT move the SEC, everyone is going to turn and look at what the B1G does since only the SEC and B1G can raid any of the other conferences and the B1G will likely go to 16 if the SEC does. The question is, what will they do?
There are plenty of options:
1. Adding Kansas and Missouri
2. Raiding the ACC for two of UNC, UVA, GaTech, etc.
3. Do nothing (unlikely)
Once the B1G makes it choices, the ACC will be next in line but it's possibly to say what that will look like without knowing with the B1G does. If the ACC is not raided by the B1G, Cincinnati, WVU and Notre Dame (yes, the fan base will hate it, but the market forces are changing the landscape) are on the table for consideration. After the ACC decides what it will do, then it will be on the PAC to decide what it wants - it will likely consider Texas Tech plus another central time zone member.
The AAC could then decide if it wants to continue to exist as its own conference or whether it would want to take the best AAC programs and join/continue the Big 12 along with the Big 12 remnants.
There are plenty of options:
1. Adding Kansas and Missouri
2. Raiding the ACC for two of UNC, UVA, GaTech, etc.
3. Do nothing (unlikely)
Once the B1G makes it choices, the ACC will be next in line but it's possibly to say what that will look like without knowing with the B1G does. If the ACC is not raided by the B1G, Cincinnati, WVU and Notre Dame (yes, the fan base will hate it, but the market forces are changing the landscape) are on the table for consideration. After the ACC decides what it will do, then it will be on the PAC to decide what it wants - it will likely consider Texas Tech plus another central time zone member.
The AAC could then decide if it wants to continue to exist as its own conference or whether it would want to take the best AAC programs and join/continue the Big 12 along with the Big 12 remnants.
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Interesting analysis. There definitely is a P5 pecking order, which will control the order of who raids who, and which teams are available down the line. I guess Tulane will just have to sit patiently and see if anybody picks them near the end--kind of like how pick up games were when we were kids.Aberzombie1892 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:40 pm If OU and UT move the SEC, everyone is going to turn and look at what the B1G does since only the SEC and B1G can raid any of the other conferences and the B1G will likely go to 16 if the SEC does. The question is, what will they do?
There are plenty of options:
1. Adding Kansas and Missouri
2. Raiding the ACC for two of UNC, UVA, GaTech, etc.
3. Do nothing (unlikely)
Once the B1G makes it choices, the ACC will be next in line but it's possibly to say what that will look like without knowing with the B1G does. If the ACC is not raided by the B1G, Cincinnati, WVU and Notre Dame (yes, the fan base will hate it, but the market forces are changing the landscape) are on the table for consideration. After the ACC decides what it will do, then it will be on the PAC to decide what it wants - it will likely consider Texas Tech plus another central time zone member.
The AAC could then decide if it wants to continue to exist as its own conference or whether it would want to take the best AAC programs and join/continue the Big 12 along with the Big 12 remnants.
Tulane is the University of Louisiana
SBNation’s take on what happens to the AAC and Big 12 if Texas & OU join the SEC.
https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2021/7/ ... s-oklahoma
Hopefully the Big 12 will implode all to the benefit and advantage of the AAC.
https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2021/7/ ... s-oklahoma
Hopefully the Big 12 will implode all to the benefit and advantage of the AAC.
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Exactly. It boils down to an Aresco vs Bowlsby cage fight. Given Bowlsby’s laid back, do nothing history, I’ll bet on Aresco.Wave755 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:04 pm SBNation’s take on what happens to the AAC and Big 12 if Texas & OU join the SEC.
https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2021/7/ ... s-oklahoma
Hopefully the Big 12 will implode all to the benefit and advantage of the AAC.
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+1, scenario 3 would be a godsend for Tulane.HoustonWave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:20 pmExactly. It boils down to an Aresco vs Bowlsby cage fight. Given Bowlsby’s laid back, do nothing history, I’ll bet on Aresco.Wave755 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:04 pm SBNation’s take on what happens to the AAC and Big 12 if Texas & OU join the SEC.
https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2021/7/ ... s-oklahoma
Hopefully the Big 12 will implode all to the benefit and advantage of the AAC.
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SI had this as one of the potential scenarios :
“ Or Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby and AAC commish Mike Aresco meet in the Metroplex—where both leagues have their offices—and hatch a plan to combine forces. A mashup of 19 schools isn’t going to work, which could lead to some bloodletting (sleep with one eye open, East Carolina, Tulsa, Temple, Tulane). But a combination of the best of what’s left might have some viability beyond an eight-team tweener league.”
“ Or Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby and AAC commish Mike Aresco meet in the Metroplex—where both leagues have their offices—and hatch a plan to combine forces. A mashup of 19 schools isn’t going to work, which could lead to some bloodletting (sleep with one eye open, East Carolina, Tulsa, Temple, Tulane). But a combination of the best of what’s left might have some viability beyond an eight-team tweener league.”
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Thank God we are AAU & in New Orleans.Bicoastalwave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:15 pm https://www.si.com/college/2021/07/22/t ... ference-go
That’s full article.
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Sleep with one Eye open. wow!!!
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This is exactly why I called out Dannen and Fitts. Get off your asses and be proactive.Bicoastalwave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:05 pm SI had this as one of the potential scenarios :
“ Or Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby and AAC commish Mike Aresco meet in the Metroplex—where both leagues have their offices—and hatch a plan to combine forces. A mashup of 19 schools isn’t going to work, which could lead to some bloodletting (sleep with one eye open, East Carolina, Tulsa, Temple, Tulane). But a combination of the best of what’s left might have some viability beyond an eight-team tweener league.”
Jesus. If it comes down to one out of those 4 I’d die if Rick Dickson gets Tulsa in and we are left out.Show Me wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:15 amThis is exactly why I called out Dannen and Fitts. Get off your asses and be proactive.Bicoastalwave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:05 pm SI had this as one of the potential scenarios :
“ Or Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby and AAC commish Mike Aresco meet in the Metroplex—where both leagues have their offices—and hatch a plan to combine forces. A mashup of 19 schools isn’t going to work, which could lead to some bloodletting (sleep with one eye open, East Carolina, Tulsa, Temple, Tulane). But a combination of the best of what’s left might have some viability beyond an eight-team tweener league.”
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what are the positives of being an Amateur Athletic Union member have in this realignmentWave755 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:25 pmThank God we are AAU & in New Orleans.Bicoastalwave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:15 pm https://www.si.com/college/2021/07/22/t ... ference-go
That’s full article.
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Texas and TX Tech will end up in the PAC12...OU and OK State or Kansas to the SEC..... the remaining big12 and AAC teams form one big azz geographic nitemare conference
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Actually of the 4 programs on the "cut list" if the AAC & Big 12 were to "merge," I would think we are the most attractive. Both East Carolina & Temple geographically make no sense. And, East Carolina is a "directional state university" in Greenville, NC, metropolitan area 200,000, and I know this is football, not academics, but for USN&WR ECU ranks no. 217 with an endowment of $217 million. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ea ... rsity-2923 And, Temple is just way out of the geographical footprint of what would be the new conference and like Tulane, has a "sketchy" history for Div. 1 football, to say the least. So, it would come down to Tulane v. Tulsa. And, would OSU stay in the new conference? And, wouldn't taking Tulane add to rather than "dilute" the recruiting footprint of the new conference? I would think Tulane & New Orleans would prevail? And, wouldn't it be great to then say, "in your face Tricky Dick"!tpstulane wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:24 amJesus. If it comes down to one out of those 4 I’d die if Rick Dickson gets Tulsa in and we are left out.Show Me wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:15 amThis is exactly why I called out Dannen and Fitts. Get off your asses and be proactive.Bicoastalwave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:05 pm SI had this as one of the potential scenarios :
“ Or Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby and AAC commish Mike Aresco meet in the Metroplex—where both leagues have their offices—and hatch a plan to combine forces. A mashup of 19 schools isn’t going to work, which could lead to some bloodletting (sleep with one eye open, East Carolina, Tulsa, Temple, Tulane). But a combination of the best of what’s left might have some viability beyond an eight-team tweener league.”
Hope so. I remember we didn’t make the first cut for the Big East/AAC invite but eventually got in. All those basketball schools were furious that we got in.Wave755 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:38 amActually of the 4 programs on the "cut list" if the AAC & Big 12 were to "merge," I would think we are the most attractive. Both East Carolina & Temple geographically make no sense. And, East Carolina is a "directional state university" in Greenville, NC, metropolitan area 200,000, and I know this is football, not academics, but for USN&WR ECU ranks no. 217 with an endowment of $217 million. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ea ... rsity-2923 And, Temple is just way out of the geographical footprint of what would be the new conference and like Tulane, has a "sketchy" history for Div. 1 football, to say the least. So, it would come down to Tulane v. Tulsa. And, would OSU stay in the new conference? And, wouldn't taking Tulane add to rather than "dilute" the recruiting footprint of the new conference? I would think Tulane & New Orleans would prevail? And, wouldn't it be great to then say, "in your face Tricky Dick"!
Kick Kansas out and invite Tulane and Tulsa. Problem solved.
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Yes, outside of our world, most unbiased fans think Tulane is not attractive in terms of building a conference. That's the ugly reality we face due to decades of neglect and "The Tulane Model." Other than having Ta competent football coach, nothing else has changed. I cannot say with a straight face that Tulane is committed to doing what it takes in today's competitive landscape. Tulane has entrenched itself into the have-not camp, and seems content being there. Fitts has done nothing to tell me it will be any different in the foreseeable future. He called Cowen "an expert" on NCAA athletics the day he became President of the University. He's shown that the status quo w/r/t athletics is perfectly fine by him. If I had to predict, I would say it's going to get worse, not better, throughout the 2020's.
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Tulsa has been better than us in BB but really hasn't done anything in BB in about the last 20 years? So, neither Tulane nor Tulsa have much to offer in BB.tpstulane wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:48 amHope so. I remember we didn’t make the first cut for the Big East/AAC invite but eventually got in. All those basketball schools were furious that we got in.Wave755 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:38 amActually of the 4 programs on the "cut list" if the AAC & Big 12 were to "merge," I would think we are the most attractive. Both East Carolina & Temple geographically make no sense. And, East Carolina is a "directional state university" in Greenville, NC, metropolitan area 200,000, and I know this is football, not academics, but for USN&WR ECU ranks no. 217 with an endowment of $217 million. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ea ... rsity-2923 And, Temple is just way out of the geographical footprint of what would be the new conference and like Tulane, has a "sketchy" history for Div. 1 football, to say the least. So, it would come down to Tulane v. Tulsa. And, would OSU stay in the new conference? And, wouldn't taking Tulane add to rather than "dilute" the recruiting footprint of the new conference? I would think Tulane & New Orleans would prevail? And, wouldn't it be great to then say, "in your face Tricky Dick"!
Kick Kansas out and invite Tulane and Tulsa. Problem solved.
And, wouldn't it be great to then say, "in your face Tricky Dick"!
if OK State is left out of the SEC or Pac12 than Tulsa will be left out of Big12 expansion/survival..Cincy, temple and east carolina are a geo fit for west virginia
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West Virginia never did make sense for the Big 12, but you can make the argument the East side of the AAC would give it more relevance, but hard to believe Temple or ECU would be taken over Tulane? And, I agree, OSU would not allow Tulsa in the new conference, but OSU would welcome expanding its recruiting reach for Tulane's membership to Louisiana.
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Brutally true. It's become clear that Fitts is just an awkward academic. And Dannen is an NCAA wonk who is just looking for his next gig. Our only chance is if some of the BOT and hand full of influential alums pressure Fitts/Dannen to get involved in protecting Tulane's athletic well being.DfromCT wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:54 amYes, outside of our world, most unbiased fans think Tulane is not attractive in terms of building a conference. That's the ugly reality we face due to decades of neglect and "The Tulane Model." Other than having Ta competent football coach, nothing else has changed. I cannot say with a straight face that Tulane is committed to doing what it takes in today's competitive landscape. Tulane has entrenched itself into the have-not camp, and seems content being there. Fitts has done nothing to tell me it will be any different in the foreseeable future. He called Cowen "an expert" on NCAA athletics the day he became President of the University. He's shown that the status quo w/r/t athletics is perfectly fine by him. If I had to predict, I would say it's going to get worse, not better, throughout the 2020's.
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Wave755 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:48 amWest Virginia never did make sense for the Big 12, but you can make the argument the East side of the AAC would give it more relevance, but hard to believe Temple or ECU would be taken over Tulane? And, I agree, OSU would not allow Tulsa in the new conference, but OSU would welcome expanding its recruiting reach for Tulane's membership to Louisiana.
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