SCOTUS puts kill shot to NCAA's defense of amateurism with NIL

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SCOTUS votes 9-0 against the NCAA on the question of whether its definition of amateurism should get special legal treatment. Already gearing up for the NIL change, now we may see schools writing checks to the players. The Wild Wild West just got wilder. You have to wonder if this won't put a permanent split into the collegiate athletic world--those schools that pay and those schools that won't pay. I guess it may depend on how high the pay scale gets--schools like Tulane can't go too high without direct support from alums. Gibson Hall isn't going to like playing in this new world.


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SCOTUS votes 9-0 against the NCAA on the question of whether its definition of amateurism should get special legal treatment. Already gearing up for the NIL change, now we may see schools writing checks to the players. The Wild Wild West just got wilder. You have to wonder if this won't put a permanent split into the collegiate athletic world--those schools that pay and those schools that won't pay. I guess it may depend on how high the pay scale gets--schools like Tulane can't go too high without direct support from alums. Gibson Hall isn't going to like playing in this new world.
with that ruling you may also begin to see high school superstars get paid next. I get it but don’t like it. It can’t be good for G5’s.
(Manning, Zion and LBJ types)
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I played to soon

What I could have raked in when I hit clean up and batted .600 while playing 3b for the Wildcats In my 13-14 year old Dixie Youth League!
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I played to soon

What I could have raked in when I hit clean up and batted .600 while playing 3b for the Wildcats In my 13-14 year old Dixie Youth League!
Same here. 8-)
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tpstulane wrote:
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BC Wave wrote:
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I played to soon

What I could have raked in when I hit clean up and batted .600 while playing 3b for the Wildcats In my 13-14 year old Dixie Youth League!
Same here. 8-)
damn...the money I could have made after I pitched that perfect game, my Soph year in high school
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This ruling doesn't call for players getting paid salaries. It allows the schools to give them educational related items like laptops.,
Small time facilities for small time programs.
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winwave wrote:
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This ruling doesn't call for players getting paid salaries. It allows the schools to give them educational related items like laptops.,
Seems like they can get cash per this article:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2 ... 237656001/

“Athletes playing Division I men’s or women’s basketball or Bowl Subdivision football will be able to receive benefits from their schools that include cash or cash-equivalent awards based on academics or graduation.”
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tpstulane wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:47 pm
winwave wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:45 pm
This ruling doesn't call for players getting paid salaries. It allows the schools to give them educational related items like laptops.,
Seems like they can get cash per this article:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2 ... 237656001/

“Athletes playing Division I men’s or women’s basketball or Bowl Subdivision football will be able to receive benefits from their schools that include cash or cash-equivalent awards based on academics or graduation.”
Stipends like they already get and have to be educationally related.

"On Monday, the high court agreed, ruling that the NCAA's curbs on non-cash payments, including benefits like computers, musical instruments, academic awards and paid internships, violates a federal law called the Sherman Antitrust Act - meant to outlaw monopolies in business.
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winwave wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:50 pm
tpstulane wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:47 pm
winwave wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:45 pm
This ruling doesn't call for players getting paid salaries. It allows the schools to give them educational related items like laptops.,
Seems like they can get cash per this article:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2 ... 237656001/

“Athletes playing Division I men’s or women’s basketball or Bowl Subdivision football will be able to receive benefits from their schools that include cash or cash-equivalent awards based on academics or graduation.”
Stipends like they already get and have to be educationally related.

"On Monday, the high court agreed, ruling that the NCAA's curbs on non-cash payments, including benefits like computers, musical instruments, academic awards and paid internships, violates a federal law called the Sherman Antitrust Act - meant to outlaw monopolies in business.
Stipends have been around forever. The way I read it this is in addition.
Otherwise there’s no need for a change.
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tpstulane wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:57 pm
winwave wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:50 pm
tpstulane wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:47 pm

Seems like they can get cash per this article:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2 ... 237656001/

“Athletes playing Division I men’s or women’s basketball or Bowl Subdivision football will be able to receive benefits from their schools that include cash or cash-equivalent awards based on academics or graduation.”
Stipends like they already get and have to be educationally related.

"On Monday, the high court agreed, ruling that the NCAA's curbs on non-cash payments, including benefits like computers, musical instruments, academic awards and paid internships, violates a federal law called the Sherman Antitrust Act - meant to outlaw monopolies in business.
Stipends have been around forever. The way I read it this is in addition.
Otherwise there’s no need for a change.
These have to be EDUCATIONALLY RELATED.
Small time facilities for small time programs.
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Small time facilities for small time programs.
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winwave wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:02 pm
tpstulane wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:57 pm
winwave wrote:
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Stipends like they already get and have to be educationally related.

"On Monday, the high court agreed, ruling that the NCAA's curbs on non-cash payments, including benefits like computers, musical instruments, academic awards and paid internships, violates a federal law called the Sherman Antitrust Act - meant to outlaw monopolies in business.
Stipends have been around forever. The way I read it this is in addition.
Otherwise there’s no need for a change.
These have to be EDUCATIONALLY RELATED.
Of course. But it’s in addition to what we currently allow.
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tpstulane wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:04 pm
winwave wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:02 pm
tpstulane wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:57 pm

Stipends have been around forever. The way I read it this is in addition.
Otherwise there’s no need for a change.
These have to be EDUCATIONALLY RELATED.
Of course. But it’s in addition to what we currently allow.
Of course it does. I never said it didn't. What it doesn't do is allow salaries to be paid as I said above.
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winwave wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:09 pm
tpstulane wrote:
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winwave wrote:
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These have to be EDUCATIONALLY RELATED.
Of course. But it’s in addition to what we currently allow.
Of course it does. I never said it didn't. What it doesn't do is allow salaries to be paid as I said above.
You said they were only going to get things like laptops. Everyone else said cash payments.
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winwave wrote:
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This ruling doesn't call for players getting paid salaries. It allows the schools to give them educational related items like laptops.,
More than laptops now allowed.
Cash payments. Nobody said a salary.
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tpstulane wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:16 pm
winwave wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:09 pm
tpstulane wrote:
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Of course. But it’s in addition to what we currently allow.
Of course it does. I never said it didn't. What it doesn't do is allow salaries to be paid as I said above.
You said they were only going to get things like laptops. Everyone else said cash payments.
I didn't say they were only getting laptops. Like I said it has to be educationally related.
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tpstulane wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:16 pm
winwave wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:45 pm
This ruling doesn't call for players getting paid salaries. It allows the schools to give them educational related items like laptops.,
More than laptops now allowed.
Cash payments. Nobody said a salary.
Has to be educationally related,. That's the point. You want to try and create hysteria that's on you.
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You said HS players would get paid next. Like I said it's not salaries.
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You said HS players would get paid next. Like I said it's not salaries.
Paid (means to receive cash) is what I’m saying. I never said payroll. It’s an opinion that I can see it happening in HS with the superstars. I hope I’m wrong but it opens the door.
As far as college goes you can bet this ruling doesn’t benefit schools like Tulane. That’s all people here are trying to express.
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tpstulane wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:37 pm
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You said HS players would get paid next. Like I said it's not salaries.
Paid (means to receive cash) is what I’m saying. I never said payroll. It’s an opinion that I can see it happening in HS with the superstars. I hope I’m wrong but it opens the door.
As far as college goes you can bet this ruling doesn’t benefit schools like Tulane. That’s all people here are trying to express.
You said get paid which clearly makes people think salaries. That’s clearly not the case here. TD says we can take advantage of the graduate programs. This ruling won’t have any great impact . Future cases might but not this one.
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Maybe you took it that way but I’m saying I did not mean a salary when I said paid cash. I think like everything else the deep pocket schools will figure out an advantage with this ruling.
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Tulane can handle this one. Not the one to panic over. If they rule in one of the follow up cases that they must pay salaries then it’s over. The 2% will have ruined it for the 98%.
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winwave wrote:
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Tulane can handle this one. Not the one to panic over. If they rule in one of the follow up cases that they must pay salaries then it’s over. The 2% will have ruined it for the 98%.
Yep. Still don’t like the way we’re heading with this.
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Ok for now. We'll see what happens next.
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The NCAA never had a true defense for its intent on amateurism. It was fraudulent especially with the amount of money being made.
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