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Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:49 pm

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Strong fan bases build strong programs and keep programs going through down years. Yes, the years of deemphasizing athletics hurt and decreased the fan base, yes it is hard to build it back takes time. But with the leadership of Dannon and more emphasis on Athletics we need to speed up the recovery of the fan base if we want to keep moving up the ladder. Recruits and families see and hear the negativity on this and other forums. They see small crowds that should be much bigger. Fans have to be a salesman for their programs and weed through this negativity. Parents want to surround their kids in positivity and its up to the fan base to lead the way. There are quiet internal ways to voice disapproval, calls, emails etc. to the Athletic Department and the University. Being loudmouth or know it all on these forums makes you look good or bad but does not help the program moving forward. We can all voice disproval to the Athletic Dept. in many quiet ways, but we don't need to air our dirty laundry in public. ULL has not always been a winner but their fanbase has always been more solid than ours, lets take note and learn. Bottom line it takes money to hire and keep coaches and build better facilities, But the Athletic Program must see payback soon to keep investing. Long term no one throws good money down a endless hole!!!
1. You must have never visited any other message board of any P4 conference before. :roll:
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constructively on the results without personal attacks!!!
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Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:18 pm

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... but Tulane is a different situation from most.
Do you realize that this line of thinking is the main reason we are where we are? It's why we've never been able to reach that next level.

Why is Tulane in a different situation than most?
What does that even mean?
What makes us so special?
Why can't the things be done here that are done at most every other winning institution?
Why do we turn our noses up at every program that doesn't do things the way we do?

It's this elitist attitude that got us where we are today. It's mind boggling how most Tulane fans want us to win and be competitive like every other school, but not be willing to do the very things that bring these other schools success.
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Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:26 pm

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In the last 4 completed seasons one AAC team finished in the top 10. That was UCF in 2017.
The list:

2016:
USF-19th

2017-
UCF 7
USF 21
Memphis 25

2018:
UCF 11
Cincy 24

2019:
Memphis 17
Navy 20
Cincy 21
UCF 24

So UCF is the only one who fit your criteria. There's no reason to overstate our situation. It is what it is. It's not a P5 it is a G5.

We didn't play UCF in 2018 and won't play Cincy this year if they finish in the top 10.
So, the way I see it is P5+1. You gave five “power” conferences, the AAC is a tough conference ahead of any of the G4. It the Massey composite rankings it is usually as close or closer to the lowest ranked P5 conference than it is to the highest ranked G4 conference.

So, the AAC is smack dab in the middle of the conference rankings — a true mid-major of FBS football.
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Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:40 pm

Yep it is the best of the G’s. All here agree on that. That doesn’t equate to being a league that has us playing top 10 teams . That’s what that response was to. But you knew that
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It matters who you do it against Rick Dickson.
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Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:10 pm

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Good listen.

I agree with him on a lot of things.
Disagree with him on many things.

There's this consistent mention of the Tulane fringe. And yes, the majority of that "fringe" posts on this board. But let's be real, the Tulane fan base across the board (not this board) is minuscule. So my argument/position would be are we really a "fringe" when in fact we represent close to a majority of the fan base?

Anyway, he's a blogger. And is welcome to post here. I'll support and link up with anyone who actively promotes and talks Tulane athletics. (Campus Connection, Fear The Wave, The Greenbackers, etc). Now I don't necessarily want to hop on a podcast, but would do so if called on. But that's the thing, no one from the "fringe" is ever called on to give their perspective. We are just talked about, never spoken to.

But that's fine. We don't toe the line, We don't sugarcoat. We don't accept average and mediocre. We demand (and are still waiting for) championships. We are the type of fans that other successful schools have. (Our boards are TAME compared to other schools.)

Many fans (even many posters here) don't fully understand the reason this board was created almost 10 years ago. From the leaking of certain information, to organized demonstrations, to purposely worded topics. The administration, the media, the players, the coaches are all watching. They have been for 10 years. Don't let up. And keep pushing for the Tulane team that you want. No one else does.
Spot on, Steve.
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Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:42 pm
Strong fan bases build strong programs and keep programs going through down years. Yes, the years of deemphasizing athletics hurt and decreased the fan base, yes it is hard to build it back takes time. But with the leadership of Dannen and more emphasis on Athletics we need to speed up the recovery of the fan base if we want to keep moving up the ladder. Recruits and families see and hear the negativity on this and other forums. They see small crowds that should be much bigger. Fans have to be a salesman for their programs and weed through this negativity. Parents want to surround their kids in positivity and its up to the fan base to lead the way. There are quiet internal ways to voice disapproval, calls, emails etc. to the Athletic Department and the University. Being loudmouth or know it all on these forums makes you look good or bad but does not help the program moving forward. We can all voice disproval to the Athletic Dept. in many quiet ways, but we don't need to air our dirty laundry in public. ULL has not always been a winner but their fanbase has always been more solid than ours, lets take note and learn. Bottom line it takes money to hire and keep coaches and build better facilities, But the Athletic Program must see payback soon to keep investing. Long term no one throws good money down a endless hole!!!
Spoken like a true Yoggie. This is their primary mantra. No recruit is going to base his decisions on what a fan board says--how about the school, the coaches, the facilities, not to mention countless other personal considerations. Fans don't sell the program, the coaches, athletic administration, the school's athletic and academic reputation play far more prominent roles in selling any program. Nothing airs dirty laundry like this season's Navy and UH games. The better players want to play for better programs, and that's determined on the field, not in the stands and not on these chat boards. Strong programs build strong fan bases.
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Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:27 pm

HoustonWave wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:10 pm
NOLABigSteve wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:18 pm
Good listen.

I agree with him on a lot of things.
Disagree with him on many things.

There's this consistent mention of the Tulane fringe. And yes, the majority of that "fringe" posts on this board. But let's be real, the Tulane fan base across the board (not this board) is minuscule. So my argument/position would be are we really a "fringe" when in fact we represent close to a majority of the fan base?

Anyway, he's a blogger. And is welcome to post here. I'll support and link up with anyone who actively promotes and talks Tulane athletics. (Campus Connection, Fear The Wave, The Greenbackers, etc). Now I don't necessarily want to hop on a podcast, but would do so if called on. But that's the thing, no one from the "fringe" is ever called on to give their perspective. We are just talked about, never spoken to.

But that's fine. We don't toe the line, We don't sugarcoat. We don't accept average and mediocre. We demand (and are still waiting for) championships. We are the type of fans that other successful schools have. (Our boards are TAME compared to other schools.)

Many fans (even many posters here) don't fully understand the reason this board was created almost 10 years ago. From the leaking of certain information, to organized demonstrations, to purposely worded topics. The administration, the media, the players, the coaches are all watching. They have been for 10 years. Don't let up. And keep pushing for the Tulane team that you want. No one else does.
Spot on, Steve.
Absolutely dead-on accurate. If we are the "fringes" who are the "core"? The big donors, who the admin sucks up to and don't demand a decent return on their giving? I think a lot of us donate what we can, big or small or not at all, and that doesn't make us any less die-hard Tulane fans. Winwave and I argue all the time but I would NEVER question his love of OUR Green Wave. Many others that I argue with I feel the same way. What we have in common is a shared love with Tulane Athletics and a never-ending hope that someday our decades of faithful support will be rewarded.

And I, too, like JP and really appreciate his efforts with Fear the Wave But he's no more an expert than the regulars that post here.
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Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:54 pm

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It matters who you do it against Rick Dickson.
Until we become an elite G5, complaining about wins over Army and USA doesn’t make sense. We need to beat whoever is in front of us. SLU or LSU!
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Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:32 pm

You're fired Rick Dickson.
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Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:29 pm

Leading 14-0. Lose 30-24. Great moral victory.
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Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:35 pm

Narrative remains unchanged.
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Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:37 pm

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Narrative remains unchanged.
So sadly true. We die-hards deserve so much better.
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Leading 14-0. Lose 30-24. Great moral victory.
Just painful!
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Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:42 pm

The narrative is done. The program died tonight. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me forever...
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Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:43 pm

Narrative my ass.
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Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:48 pm

winwave wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:37 pm
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Narrative remains unchanged.
So sadly true. We die-hards deserve so much better.
No doubt. Sadly the remaining Diehards are slowly dying off.
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Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:50 pm

Hard to create die hards as well. No credible reason a new generation to follow Tulane.
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Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:57 pm

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Hard to create die hards as well. No credible reason a new generation to follow Tulane.
Right. Just brutal
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Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:12 pm

Speaking of dirty laundry— we just crapped our pants on national TV, again. But shhhhh, if we don’t talk about it on this board, nobody will know it. 🤫🤫
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Hard to create die hards as well. No credible reason a new generation to follow Tulane.
So sadly true.
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Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:25 pm

Wouldn't worry so much. Not many people watching.
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Jaxwave wrote:
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Wouldn't worry so much. Not many people watching.
They will see it multiple times. It’s an “Instant Classic” one of many we are on in a losing finish.
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