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I guess you missed the news today on Hydroxychloroquine success. Twitter and Facebook covered for the Democrats and deleted a press conference video given in front of the Supreme Court on the success of the treatment. Apparently it’s being used successfully to save lives but you can’t mention that in the media since Trump may gain some political points.
The videos were taken down because they were blatantly wrong and misleading.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-t ... 2020-07-28
The conservative media outlet Breitbart first published the contested clip, which features men and women dressed in white lab coats and referring to themselves as “America’s Frontline Doctors” staging a press conference outside the U.S. Supreme Court in Washington, D.C. The individuals make questionable coronavirus claims that have been proven false, such as calling hydroxychloroquine (a drug used to treat malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis for decades) “a cure for COVID” — despite a growing body of scientific evidence that has not shown this to be an effective treatment against the virus.

What’s more, one of the self-identified doctors whose name is given as Stella Immanuel of Houston claims in the video that “you don’t need masks,” despite evidence showing that face coverings help slow the spread of the coronavirus. (She has also said that alien DNA is being used in medical treatments, and gynecological problems such as cysts are caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches, the Daily Beast reported.)
Quite the credible source...not!
There were 12 doctors out there and no surprise that you’re going to single out the one black female doctor.
I am kind of saddened for the fact that you probably went to TU and are so damn bad at verifying claims. Your ignorance shines poorly upon all of us alumni. Let's begin:

1. Dr. Stella Immanuel: Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches.

She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens.

2. Dr. James Todaro: He’s promoting bitcoin. Well, he’s promoting bitcoin and hydroxychloroquine, it would seem.

Todaro is largely credited with creating President Trump’s obsession with hydroxychloroquine in the first place, co-writing a paper on Google Docs with his friend and lawyer Gregory Rigano about the use of chloroquine in China on March 13. The paper went viral on right-wing Twitter and eventually made its way to Fox News, as often happens.

3. Jenny Beth Martin: Martin is the co-founder of an anti-tax group called the Tea Party Patriots Foundation and an alternate delegate to the Republican National Committee convention. Martin, among other things, dislikes Dr. Anthony Fauci’s skepticism of hydroxychloroquine and insists that he could change his opinion if he only met with this group of right-wing health workers. While many of the videos from yesterday have been deleted from YouTube and Facebook for spreading harmful misinformation, the Tea Party Patriots YouTube account is still active and is flooded with videos of doctors insisting that the country shouldn’t be locked down in any way.

4. Dr. Simone Gold: s a doctor and lawyer in Los Angeles who publicly takes credit as the founder of “America’s Frontline Doctors,” a group whose website was set up 12 days ago, and amusingly appears to be down right now. Gold has been a regular on the right-wing media circuit during the pandemic, appearing on Fox News on May 21, arguing that patients are being harmed by the shutdowns taking place across the country.

5. Dr. Erickson: Back in April, Erickson promoted the idea of “herd immunity” on local TV news in San Diego, pointing to Sweden as a model. Erickson pointed to Kern County, California at the time, saying that the ICUs in the area had “very few patients.” Today, Kern County has 17,394 confirmed cases and 123 deaths. Cases in the county have increased by 161% in the past two weeks. During another Fox News appearance in May, things took a weird turn when Erickson started spouting conspiracies involving George Soros trying to censor his message on herd immunity, according to the Washington Examiner.

“Look at what George Soros said about Facebook back in February,” Erickson told Fox News. “He said Mark Zuckerberg should no longer have control of Facebook. Well, YouTube, you’re going to be next. Soros will say that you should no longer have control, and government should have control of Facebook, according to George Soros.”

6. Dr. Robert “Bob” C. Hamilton: appears to have the most normal looking online presence of all the people that spoke on Monday. That is, if you don’t count his somewhat peculiar baby-hushing technique.

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People that took hydroxychloroquine combo and recovered swear by it. I had a friend of mine who was a day away from going on a ventilator he got it and he recovered almost immediately meanwhile his wife was treated at another hospital did not get the drug and she took almost 10 more days to recover and she had it before he did. She spent 19 days in the hospital and he spent 10.
Nothing but anecdotal evidence. Much better options being used. Not even being used at our hospital.
Doesn’t matter to those that recovered on it because at the time it was their only option and was successful.
Majority of patients recovered from the virus. It’s just anecdotal evidence. That medicine is not even recommended to use now outside of a clinic trial. Other treatments are recommended kirk Dexamethasone which is cheap as well. The virus is being treated better now compared to when it first started and hydroxychlroquine is not the reason.
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People that took hydroxychloroquine combo and recovered swear by it. I had a friend of mine who was a day away from going on a ventilator he got it and he recovered almost immediately meanwhile his wife was treated at another hospital did not get the drug and she took almost 10 more days to recover and she had it before he did. She spent 19 days in the hospital and he spent 10.
Nothing but anecdotal evidence. Much better options being used. Not even being used at our hospital.
Doesn’t matter to those that recovered on it because at the time it was their only option and was successful.
Majority of patients recovered from the virus. It’s just anecdotal evidence. That medicine is not even recommended to use now outside of a clinic trial. Other treatments are recommended kirk Dexamethasone which is cheap as well. The virus is being treated better now compared to when it first started and hydroxychlroquine is not the reason.
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tpstulane wrote:
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:29 pm
tpstulane wrote:
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People that took hydroxychloroquine combo and recovered swear by it. I had a friend of mine who was a day away from going on a ventilator he got it and he recovered almost immediately meanwhile his wife was treated at another hospital did not get the drug and she took almost 10 more days to recover and she had it before he did. She spent 19 days in the hospital and he spent 10.
Nothing but anecdotal evidence. Much better options being used. Not even being used at our hospital.
Doesn’t matter to those that recovered on it because at the time it was their only option and was successful.
Majority of patients recovered from the virus. It’s just anecdotal evidence. That medicine is not even recommended to use now outside of a clinic trial. Other treatments are recommended kirk Dexamethasone which is cheap as well. The virus is being treated better now compared to when it first started and hydroxychlroquine is not the reason.
Recovered quicker.
Prove it.

I knew someone who took it and it didnt help her at all. Was sick for 3-4 weeks before he symptoms got better and she was on hydroxychlroquine early on. Didn’t do a damn thing for her and she’s only 39. Only positive was she didn’t die.
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.Only positive was she didn’t die.
Well, if you can only have one positive that's the one I want.
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How can anyone be against hygiene , social distancing , and wearing a mask to avoid being infected by others and infecting others ?

Personal freedom ends when you endanger others .

This thread is discouraging . How can anyone with a college degree believe the nonsense some regurgitate in step with the Idiot in Chief in the White House ....

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How can anyone be against hygiene , social distancing , and wearing a mask to avoid being infected by others and infecting others ?

Personal freedom ends when you endanger others .

This thread is discouraging . How can anyone with a college degree believe the nonsense some regurgitate in step with the Idiot in Chief in the White House ....

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In 9 months a popular girls name will be Hydroxy Chloroquine
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:50 pm
How can anyone be against hygiene , social distancing , and wearing a mask to avoid being infected by others and infecting others ?

Personal freedom ends when you endanger others .

This thread is discouraging . How can anyone with a college degree believe the nonsense some regurgitate in step with the Idiot in Chief in the White House ....

Kill this thread .

But wait, even the left admits that wearing a mask does nothing to keep you from being infected by others. Its to keep you from infecting them.

And all those N95 masks with the vent that's all the rage right now? Those filter NOTHING going out, so if you actually DO have CV, its useless.

The only place the mask helps is if you're actively coughing or sneezing, thereby expelling droplets into the air. If you're actively coughing or sneezing, you shouldn't be around other people right now anyway.
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It's funny how so many folks at so many different levels don't even question how serious a threat the C-19 is. Coaches, Media, AD's, University Presidents and Chancellors all recognize this as a serious problem. Serious enough that it could and probably will shut down athletics at the college and professional levels, having a tremendous economic impact (literally in the hundreds of billions of dollars). Yet there's a very small percentage of the population that say "F the virus. Move forward, let it kill those that it will, it's survival of the fittest. Our economy is more important than those that die." Amazing.

And not for nothing, but everything said about masks and wearing them 2 posts above is misinformation.
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:20 pm
nawlinspete wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:50 pm
How can anyone be against hygiene , social distancing , and wearing a mask to avoid being infected by others and infecting others ?

Personal freedom ends when you endanger others .

This thread is discouraging . How can anyone with a college degree believe the nonsense some regurgitate in step with the Idiot in Chief in the White House ....

Kill this thread .

But wait, even the left admits that wearing a mask does nothing to keep you from being infected by others. Its to keep you from infecting them.

And all those N95 masks with the vent that's all the rage right now? Those filter NOTHING going out, so if you actually DO have CV, its useless.

The only place the mask helps is if you're actively coughing or sneezing, thereby expelling droplets into the air. If you're actively coughing or sneezing, you shouldn't be around other people right now anyway.
You are absolutely wrong about the mask. Asymptomatic people can spread it therefore everyone should be wearing mask so as not to risk infecting others.
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RobertM320 wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:20 pm
nawlinspete wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:50 pm
How can anyone be against hygiene , social distancing , and wearing a mask to avoid being infected by others and infecting others ?

Personal freedom ends when you endanger others .

This thread is discouraging . How can anyone with a college degree believe the nonsense some regurgitate in step with the Idiot in Chief in the White House ....

Kill this thread .

But wait, even the left admits that wearing a mask does nothing to keep you from being infected by others. Its to keep you from infecting them.

And all those N95 masks with the vent that's all the rage right now? Those filter NOTHING going out, so if you actually DO have CV, its useless.

The only place the mask helps is if you're actively coughing or sneezing, thereby expelling droplets into the air. If you're actively coughing or sneezing, you shouldn't be around other people right now anyway.
Wow. I can’t begin to discuss the flaws in your logic.
I am just so disappointed with many of you.
The idea that wearing a simple mask in this environment is debatable. Just so very sad. An absolute minimalist sacrifice.
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Prove it.

I knew someone who took it and it didnt help her at all. Was sick for 3-4 weeks before he symptoms got better and she was on hydroxychlroquine early on. Didn’t do a damn thing for her and she’s only 39. Only positive was she didn’t die.
Like I said a friend and his wife both had Covid. She gave it to him. She didn’t get the drug but he did. His recovery was almost 10 days shorter.

Here’s more proof:
Hydroxychloroquine Speeds Up COVID-19 Recovery Over Placebo
https://www.hcplive.com/view/hydroxychl ... ry-placebo
The data in this study revealed that after 5 days of hydroxychloroquine treatment, the symptoms of patients with COVID-19 were significantly relieved, manifesting as shorten(ing) in the recovery time for cough and fever," Zhang and colleagues reported.
Malaria Drug Helps Virus Patients Improve
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/heal ... laria.html

90% chance helps patients
https://aapsonline.org/hcq-90-percent-chance/

I trust Dr.’s that are having success with the drug over the media any day.
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My son just had a friend recover from a serious case of C-19, and swears that the hydroxychloroquine that his doctor gave him saved his life. I suspect that hydroxy, like other drugs, affects people differently—works for some, and not for others. Obviously this guy’s doctor believed in it—and he actually treats patients unlike many of the medical talking heads that sit behind desks throughout their careers.
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greenie78 wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:20 pm
tpstulane wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:01 pm
greenie78 wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:29 pm
tpstulane wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:53 pm
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:40 pm
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:29 pm
People that took hydroxychloroquine combo and recovered swear by it. I had a friend of mine who was a day away from going on a ventilator he got it and he recovered almost immediately meanwhile his wife was treated at another hospital did not get the drug and she took almost 10 more days to recover and she had it before he did. She spent 19 days in the hospital and he spent 10.
Nothing but anecdotal evidence. Much better options being used. Not even being used at our hospital.
Doesn’t matter to those that recovered on it because at the time it was their only option and was successful.
Majority of patients recovered from the virus. It’s just anecdotal evidence. That medicine is not even recommended to use now outside of a clinic trial. Other treatments are recommended kirk Dexamethasone which is cheap as well. The virus is being treated better now compared to when it first started and hydroxychlroquine is not the reason.
Recovered quicker.
Prove it.

I knew someone who took it and it didnt help her at all. Was sick for 3-4 weeks before he symptoms got better and she was on hydroxychlroquine early on. Didn’t do a damn thing for her and she’s only 39. Only positive was she didn’t die.
Dr. Didier Raoult is a man on a mission to prove the effectiveness of Hydroxychlroquine. He is the "darling of Marseilles" and has the Mayors backing there. His national approval rating in France is at 65%. He is a medical genius with national awards in medicine. Surprisingly, there is no connection of Trump's introduction and belief in this method given to his credit.

https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20200625-c ... nt-inquiry

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/12/maga ... quine.html
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Here's proof it doesn't only NOT prevent C-19, it doesn't cure it, either. This is an abstract on a case in France, to be published by the CDC, which is NOT the media, and has zero to gain. This patient has been on hydroxychloroquine for 3 to 4 years.
The failure of hydroxychloroquine to prevent COVID-19 cannot be attributed to underdosage or suboptimal adherence. Two recent studies suggested that hydroxychloroquine provides no protection against COVID-19 in patients with a broad range of autoimmune diseases from New York, USA (3), and in patients with systemic lupus erythematosus from France (4). The case we present is unique in that the patient was not receiving any immunomodulatory agent other than hydroxychloroquine.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-1816_article

In addition, the New England Journal of Medicine, long considered an extremely esteemed source of leading treatment plans published this extract on a trial involving over 600 patients:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014

It's conclusion was the EXACT SAME AS WHAT THE FDA has said and what Faucci has been saying since his boss started touting it as the cure. So we have the CDC, the FDA and the nation's leading expert on infectious disease all saying the same things about hydroxychloroquine. In short, it does not provide any benefit that has been substantiated clinically, and it carries severe side affects, and can cause heart attacks.

Taking another step that has nothing to do with the media, Dr. Ashok Rai, President and CEO of Prevea Health (large healthcare practice across Wisconsin) summed up the non-accredited claims of successfully treating C-19 with hydroxychloroquine:
“It comes down to what we have available to us in science. The scientific method here would be to ask a question, research it and come up with an answer. You’ll always have anecdotal experience--in other words ‘I had a patient, I tried this, and it worked'--but a real study is taking a large group of patients, finding the ones you give the drugs to, the ones you don’t give the drugs to, and seeing if it truly works and if there is any harm. The New England Journal of Medicine last week published a pretty good sized trial--667 patients--where they broke them up in three groups--those that didn’t get the drug, those who got hydroxychloroquine, those who got hydroxychloroquine with zithromax or azithromycin--and they found that those two groups that got the drug there was no benefit in it. And actually, they showed changes on their EKG which were harmful and they showed liver enzyme changes that were harmful. So right now we have a drug that has been researched in a peer-reviewed study, in a good journal, that says it doesn’t help and it can hurt, and it actually did hurt those patients. So at this point--and this may change as more research comes out--but at this point that drug and that drug combination is definitely not recommended.”
None of these are "the media" If you want to believe in a conspiracy to suppress this treatment, that's your prerogative.
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I’ll believe the patients and clinical physicians, as opposed to the medical academics.
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I’ll believe the patients and clinical physicians, as opposed to the medical academics.
And what if, just what if, and think about this before you answer, if those clinical physicians are also medical academics especially all of those at University hospitals who train the clinical physicians, will you believe them? Regardless, just like MBA stated this thread is extremely disappointing. A ton of people in here deserve a refund from TU as they clearly didn't learn anything while in school.
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I’ll believe the patients and clinical physicians, as opposed to the medical academics.
And what if, just what if, and think about this before you answer, if those clinical physicians are also medical academics especially all of those at University hospitals who train the clinical physicians, will you believe them? Regardless, just like MBA stated this thread is extremely disappointing. A ton of people in here deserve a refund from TU as they clearly didn't learn anything while in school.
If they serve and treat patients then they have far more credibility, even if they also pursue clinical research at university hospitals, than those whose noses never come up out of a book, or who spend their career playing bureaucratic games. As far as those on this board who didn't learn at Tulane--you'll have a great disparity of opinion as to who exactly failed to learn. The one kind of diversity that the Left hate--diversity of thought.
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GreenPuddleSplash wrote:
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HoustonWave wrote:
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I’ll believe the patients and clinical physicians, as opposed to the medical academics.
And what if, just what if, and think about this before you answer, if those clinical physicians are also medical academics especially all of those at University hospitals who train the clinical physicians, will you believe them? Regardless, just like MBA stated this thread is extremely disappointing. A ton of people in here deserve a refund from TU as they clearly didn't learn anything while in school.
If they serve and treat patients then they have far more credibility, even if they also pursue clinical research at university hospitals, than those whose noses never come up out of a book, or who spend their career playing bureaucratic games. As far as those on this board who didn't learn at Tulane--you'll have a great disparity of opinion as to who exactly failed to learn. The one kind of diversity that the Left hate--diversity of thought.
There's no diversity of thought when science has proven certain things like how wearing masks cut down the spread of carona, but somehow we're acting like this is debatable.
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HoustonWave wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:56 pm
GreenPuddleSplash wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:05 pm
HoustonWave wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:48 pm
I’ll believe the patients and clinical physicians, as opposed to the medical academics.
And what if, just what if, and think about this before you answer, if those clinical physicians are also medical academics especially all of those at University hospitals who train the clinical physicians, will you believe them? Regardless, just like MBA stated this thread is extremely disappointing. A ton of people in here deserve a refund from TU as they clearly didn't learn anything while in school.
If they serve and treat patients then they have far more credibility, even if they also pursue clinical research at university hospitals, than those whose noses never come up out of a book, or who spend their career playing bureaucratic games. As far as those on this board who didn't learn at Tulane--you'll have a great disparity of opinion as to who exactly failed to learn. The one kind of diversity that the Left hate--diversity of thought.
There's no diversity of thought when science has proven certain things like how wearing masks cut down the spread of carona, but somehow we're acting like this is debatable.
While I wear a mask constantly, there is diversity in thought regarding masks--led by our own Dr. Fauci who has flipped flopped on that very issue. And as far as the Dem's "believe the scientist"--what a crock that is. Science inherently deals with topics of uncertainty, where there is usually various views and beliefs. Science doesn't have a role in whether the sun will rise in the east tomorrow, as there is no diversity of thought about that topic. But any topic that involves science, by definition has disagreements of views and thoughts. Hence the Dems warped view that science offers absolute answers--it rarely does. If there isn't disagreement on a topic, then there probably isn't much science involved. Science only concerns itself with matters of disagreement and the unknown, and therefore science rarely concerns itself with absolutes--like Pelosi tries to suggest---listening to her babble on about science is hysterical.
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The Doctors lawsuit vs the FDA continues against interference on life saving hydroxychloroquine
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There's no diversity of thought when science has proven certain things like how wearing masks cut down the spread of carona, but somehow we're acting like this is debatable.
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