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That’s why the “Follow The Science” mantra, used by so many ignorant politicians, is such BS—as though “science” provides some exact answer to anything. No matter what the topic, science inherently involves the unknown, discovery, uncertainty, and disagreement. Once something is absolute, it’s no longer a function of science.
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Please source this "out of thin air" number you've posted.
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/p ... t-covid-19
EDIT: Never mind, I've found the source. Now, lets look at it closer.
First, AMA has about 235,000 members, which is only 15-18% of all doctors. This means there's roughly 1.3-1.5M doctors in the country.
https://www.physiciansweekly.com/is-the ... -in-the-us
Now, lets look at the survey the AMA did. They said 96% of doctors are vaccinated. However, the total number of responses for the survey was 301.!
Yes, three hundred and one. Out of 1.3 MILLION doctors in the country. And, they didn't go out and survey, it was done through WebMd's physicians panel.
Here's the methodology used.
Objectives & Methodology
Objective:
• The AMA’s Advocacy team would like to survey practicing physicians to determine
current COVID-19 vaccination rates.
Methodology:
• AMA developed the survey questionnaire and WebMD programmed and fielded the
5–7 minute survey through their physician panel
• The survey was fielded from June 3 to June 8, 2021.
• Sample size – N=301; respondent mix includes:
• N=150 PCPs (Family Medicine, Internal Medicine, General Medicine, Pediatrics,
OB/GYN)
• N=151 Specialists (All other specialties)
Here is the actual survey
https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2 ... report.pdf
If this vaccine is so safe, why does the AMA have to do something shady like this? 301? Really?
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"That mantra is the only consistent thing that never needs to ever change for the rest of this program’s existence because that is all that matters & as long as that keeps occurring, everything will handle itself" -- Nick Anderson
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Jesus. Biden said not long ago there would be no vaccine mandates. Complete and total lie.
He’s going to make government workers get it but migrants crossing the border are free to come in with the virus and no mandates.
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https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/p ... re-workers
Lies all lies. Wake up people. Do not listen, make your own POV based on facts.
“With more than 300 million doses administered in the United States and nearly 4 billion doses administered worldwide, we know the vaccines are safe and highly effective at preventing severe illness and death from COVID-19.”
More lies. Wake up people.
Lies all lies. Wake up people. Do not listen, make your own POV based on facts.
“With more than 300 million doses administered in the United States and nearly 4 billion doses administered worldwide, we know the vaccines are safe and highly effective at preventing severe illness and death from COVID-19.”
More lies. Wake up people.
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I agree, those migrants are spreading the disease and their presence are directly connected to gov’t and all public workers, it is clear. Why make anyone get vaccinated when you have an open border where migrants can come and go. It is all related. Solid point.
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Yes, Robert, there's a big coverup. Tens of thousands have died from the vaccine, but the whole world, not just Dems or GOPs are involved in the conspiracy. But don't tell anyone, it's a secret.RobertM320 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:52 amPlease source this "out of thin air" number you've posted.
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/p ... t-covid-19
EDIT: Never mind, I've found the source. Now, lets look at it closer.
First, AMA has about 235,000 members, which is only 15-18% of all doctors. This means there's roughly 1.3-1.5M doctors in the country.
https://www.physiciansweekly.com/is-the ... -in-the-us
Now, lets look at the survey the AMA did. They said 96% of doctors are vaccinated. However, the total number of responses for the survey was 301.!
Yes, three hundred and one. Out of 1.3 MILLION doctors in the country. And, they didn't go out and survey, it was done through WebMd's physicians panel.
Here's the methodology used.
Objectives & Methodology
Objective:
• The AMA’s Advocacy team would like to survey practicing physicians to determine
current COVID-19 vaccination rates.
Methodology:
• AMA developed the survey questionnaire and WebMD programmed and fielded the
5–7 minute survey through their physician panel
• The survey was fielded from June 3 to June 8, 2021.
• Sample size – N=301; respondent mix includes:
• N=150 PCPs (Family Medicine, Internal Medicine, General Medicine, Pediatrics,
OB/GYN)
• N=151 Specialists (All other specialties)
Here is the actual survey
https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2 ... report.pdf
If this vaccine is so safe, why does the AMA have to do something shady like this? 301? Really?
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More people are finally understanding. If you've ALREADY HAD Covid, you DONT need a vaccine, and you should be treated the same way a vaccinated person is.
And yes, Dave, denial of this FACT is part of the coverup. If not, then explain why the govt refuses to acknowledge this FACT?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topst ... np1taskbar
And yes, Dave, denial of this FACT is part of the coverup. If not, then explain why the govt refuses to acknowledge this FACT?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topst ... np1taskbar
"That mantra is the only consistent thing that never needs to ever change for the rest of this program’s existence because that is all that matters & as long as that keeps occurring, everything will handle itself" -- Nick Anderson
Not social media crap, my son in law caught covid19 twice within 6 months, and my granddaughter caught covid 3 times, now they can't wait to get vaccinated. The Delta Mutation is a new strain, just like the flu vaccines need to be changed for new strains and there is no natural immunity when viruses mutate. Educate yourself beyond what you read. Half is true and half is lies and misinformation, You have two choices in life be gullible and take a 50/50 chance on believing the lies and misinformation or research and make educated choices.RobertM320 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:55 am More people are finally understanding. If you've ALREADY HAD Covid, you DONT need a vaccine, and you should be treated the same way a vaccinated person is.
And yes, Dave, denial of this FACT is part of the coverup. If not, then explain why the govt refuses to acknowledge this FACT?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topst ... np1taskbar
https://www.health.com/condition/infect ... ta-variant
But no matter the severity, a past COVID-19 diagnosis isn't a guarantee of protection: A study conducted by the University of Oxford found that people with weaker immune responses from a previous infection could be at a higher risk of contracting one of the new variants of COVID-19. "We are definitely seeing lots of examples of people who had the infection in the past and who got re-infected despite that, both with the Delta variant and previous strains," explains Dr. LeBaer.
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As I've posted before natural immunity doesn't stand up against the Delta variant. Enough with the quackiness. Get vaccinated and stop killing people and making health care workers lives a living hell.
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Science magazine begs to differ. I guess they're ALSO quacks?
"The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine,"
https://www.science.org/content/article ... ains-vital
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MSN considers themselves news, gbg, not "social media crap". There's more than enough data out there showing Covid recoverers have stronger immunity than the vax, longer lasting immunity than the vax, and yes, they're protected against the Delta variant as well. Why? Because SCIENCE KNOWS that immunity from having had a disease is broad based, where as the focus of the vaccine is narrow. The virus mutates, and a vaxxed person is no longer protected, where a human immune system can adjust.gbgreenie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:47 pmNot social media crap, my son in law caught covid19 twice within 6 months, and my granddaughter caught covid 3 times, now they can't wait to get vaccinated. The Delta Mutation is a new strain, just like the flu vaccines need to be changed for new strains and there is no natural immunity when viruses mutate. Educate yourself beyond what you read. Half is true and half is lies and misinformation, You have two choices in life be gullible and take a 50/50 chance on believing the lies and misinformation or research and make educated choices.RobertM320 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:55 am More people are finally understanding. If you've ALREADY HAD Covid, you DONT need a vaccine, and you should be treated the same way a vaccinated person is.
And yes, Dave, denial of this FACT is part of the coverup. If not, then explain why the govt refuses to acknowledge this FACT?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topst ... np1taskbar
https://www.health.com/condition/infect ... ta-variant
But no matter the severity, a past COVID-19 diagnosis isn't a guarantee of protection: A study conducted by the University of Oxford found that people with weaker immune responses from a previous infection could be at a higher risk of contracting one of the new variants of COVID-19. "We are definitely seeing lots of examples of people who had the infection in the past and who got re-infected despite that, both with the Delta variant and previous strains," explains Dr. LeBaer.
But believe whatever you want. That's the freedom we have in America. At least for now.
"That mantra is the only consistent thing that never needs to ever change for the rest of this program’s existence because that is all that matters & as long as that keeps occurring, everything will handle itself" -- Nick Anderson
Good news for the SEC and other packed non masked and no vax requirement stadiums. (Including Ole Miss) it was nice just to be normal for once.
Be proactive, being reactive is for losers..
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All of those states have one thing in common. Republican Governor's.
"Purple & Gold? You look ridiculous!"-Johnny Be Good.
The same non peer reviewed study you've referenced before. Quack. This is the pandemic of the unvaccinated. The hospitals are overflowing. One state has already had to go to rationing care and it's because of tin foil hat wearing idiots like you.RobertM320 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:57 pmScience magazine begs to differ. I guess they're ALSO quacks?
"The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine,"
https://www.science.org/content/article ... ains-vital
Also Israel is having a huge surge:
"If you get infected, being vaccinated helps.
The good news is that among Israel's serious infections on Thursday of this week, according to Health Ministry data, the rate of serious cases among unvaccinated people over age 60 (178.7 per 100,000) was nine times more than the rate among fully vaccinated people of the same age category, and the rate of serious cases among unvaccinated people in the under-60 crowd (3.2 per 100,000) was a little more than double the rate among vaccinated people in that age bracket."
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BAYWAVE&Sophandros are SPINELESS COWARDS
YOU NEED LEVERAGE TO BE PROACTIVE!
Small time facilities for small time programs
6-4-23:Now all of the mistakes Tulane has made finally catches up with them as they descend to CUSAAC.
YOU NEED LEVERAGE TO BE PROACTIVE!
Small time facilities for small time programs
6-4-23:Now all of the mistakes Tulane has made finally catches up with them as they descend to CUSAAC.
The SEC school in Louisiana requires vaccination or proof of a negative test within 72 hours to enter plus masking. As to Florida most citizens don't listen to their governor and are masking up. Vaccination rates have also gone up due to the delta variant.
BAYWAVE&Sophandros are SPINELESS COWARDS
YOU NEED LEVERAGE TO BE PROACTIVE!
Small time facilities for small time programs
6-4-23:Now all of the mistakes Tulane has made finally catches up with them as they descend to CUSAAC.
YOU NEED LEVERAGE TO BE PROACTIVE!
Small time facilities for small time programs
6-4-23:Now all of the mistakes Tulane has made finally catches up with them as they descend to CUSAAC.
I believe the vaccine doesn’t prevent spread though. Only less likely to get a bad case. I went to Birmingham and Oxford mask free and I enjoyed it immensely. I’m fine giving people a choice to mask up. Happy for those Floridians that have that freedom.
I’m against any mask mandates and vaccine mandates. That should be a personal choice.
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Public safety always trumps individual rights per the constitution and Supreme Court cases that have upheld that. Masking definitely helps prevent spread. The vaccines are safe and effective and help prevent serious symptoms ,hospitalizations and deaths. Your thought process is why our health care workers are extremely overworked and why many have left the profession. In Louisiana alone we are short 6,000 nurses because of people's ignorance and selfishness.tpstulane wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:50 pmI believe the vaccine doesn’t prevent spread though. Only less likely to get a bad case. I went to Birmingham and Oxford mask free and I enjoyed it immensely. I’m fine giving people a choice to mask up. Happy for those Floridians that have that freedom.
I’m against any mask mandates and vaccine mandates. That should be a personal choice.
BAYWAVE&Sophandros are SPINELESS COWARDS
YOU NEED LEVERAGE TO BE PROACTIVE!
Small time facilities for small time programs
6-4-23:Now all of the mistakes Tulane has made finally catches up with them as they descend to CUSAAC.
YOU NEED LEVERAGE TO BE PROACTIVE!
Small time facilities for small time programs
6-4-23:Now all of the mistakes Tulane has made finally catches up with them as they descend to CUSAAC.
From personal experience I know 5 people vaccinated tested positive. All the Saints coaches that tested positive were vaxx’d. I’m vaccinated only because I was told I’d have a 95% chance of being immune to getting it. Obviously that was a lie.GreenLantern wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:05 pmSometimes I read things and all I can do is shake my head in disbelief.
Be proactive, being reactive is for losers..
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