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If there is a shred of evidence that the players involved did not cheat, then why has Altuve, Bregmann, Springer said nothing, literally nothing publicly.
This situation is going to get worse. Pitchers are going to go after these players, constantly.


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Go watch Altuve’s AB against Aroldis Chapman when he hit series ending homer to beat Yankees. He was on every pitch, whether fastball or breaking ball. He hit a slider that stayed up and away for the HR. Had to be looking for that pitch to stay back on it because Chapman was usually high and away with his 100 mph fastball while his slider was usually down and in. As that pitch approached the plate, by its location he should have swung way early expecting the fastball. I called my best baseball buddy and said it might have been the best AB I had ever seen in the clutch against a great pitcher. Now we know why.
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mbawavefan12 wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:44 pm If there is a shred of evidence that the players involved did not cheat, then why has Altuve, Bregmann, Springer said nothing, literally nothing publicly.
This situation is going to get worse. Pitchers are going to go after these players, constantly.
That's ok. They'll know it's coming. :mrgreen:
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There is this from Tuve and his agent that was posted in the Houston Chronicle (Comical), see below. Also hard to reconcile that his BA and stats were better on the road the last two years than at home. Maybe he was too focused on the buzzer at home for it to be effective. I'm an Astros fan and personally can't stand Bregman as a person, but Tuve appears to be a good guy and an extremely hard worker. I'd like to give him the benefit unless more comes out.
"Altuve issued a denial through his agent Scott Boras on Thursday.
“Jose Altuve called me and said he wants it known that he has never, ever worn an electronic device in a major league game – ever," Boras said. "He never received any form - of a trigger or any information - via an electronic product that was on his body or in his uniform. He has never worn any electronic device. Ever.”
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I've never read a thing about an electronic device being involved. Beltran, and others, would watch the monitor of the CF camera, and then hit a garbage can with a bat to signal the pitch to the batter. Beltran came up with the system which is why he never managed a game for the Mets, whom fired him Thursday. He was a player for the Astros in 2017.
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DfromCT wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:40 am I've never read a thing about an electronic device being involved. Beltran, and others, would watch the monitor of the CF camera, and then hit a garbage can with a bat to signal the pitch to the batter. Beltran came up with the system which is why he never managed a game for the Mets, whom fired him Thursday. He was a player for the Astros in 2017.
wow...put a whole nother light on the movie "Bang the Drum Slowly"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bang_the_ ... wly_(film)
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golfnut69 wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:16 am
DfromCT wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:40 am I've never read a thing about an electronic device being involved. Beltran, and others, would watch the monitor of the CF camera, and then hit a garbage can with a bat to signal the pitch to the batter. Beltran came up with the system which is why he never managed a game for the Mets, whom fired him Thursday. He was a player for the Astros in 2017.
wow...put a whole nother light on the movie "Bang the Drum Slowly"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bang_the_ ... wly_(film)
What a great movie. Right up there with "The Brian Piccolo Story" for all time sports tear-jerkers!
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DfromCT wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:23 am
golfnut69 wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:16 am
DfromCT wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:40 am I've never read a thing about an electronic device being involved. Beltran, and others, would watch the monitor of the CF camera, and then hit a garbage can with a bat to signal the pitch to the batter. Beltran came up with the system which is why he never managed a game for the Mets, whom fired him Thursday. He was a player for the Astros in 2017.
wow...put a whole nother light on the movie "Bang the Drum Slowly"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bang_the_ ... wly_(film)
What a great movie. Right up there with "The Brian Piccolo Story" for all time sports tear-jerkers!
the story of the movie is wonderful...the casting was terrible, some of the most unathletic actors, were in the most prominent roles
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Jaxwave wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:58 pm Go watch Altuve’s AB against Aroldis Chapman when he hit series ending homer to beat Yankees. He was on every pitch, whether fastball or breaking ball. He hit a slider that stayed up and away for the HR. Had to be looking for that pitch to stay back on it because Chapman was usually high and away with his 100 mph fastball while his slider was usually down and in. As that pitch approached the plate, by its location he should have swung way early expecting the fastball. I called my best baseball buddy and said it might have been the best AB I had ever seen in the clutch against a great pitcher. Now we know why.
And, after delivering that fatal pitch, Chapman wryly smiled. He got criticized by Yankee fans for “smiling,” but many are re-thinking as to why he was smiling. He quite possibly knew what was going on.
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I’m hearing they cheated all season. Imagine knowing every pitch as a good hitter. Huge advantage. This is worst then the steroid era. It’s easier to get a player out that is on steroids versus one that knows what pitch is coming.
Altuve, Bergman and the rest may have been tipped off all year with the pitches.
MLB's investigation revealed the Astros initially developed a system using illegal electronics to decode signs so a runner on second base could relay the sign to the hitter. Houston first tried whistling and clapping to relay signs from the dugout before settling on banging a garbage can. MLB's report says the Astros stole signs throughout the 2017 regular season and postseason, and early in 2018 as well.
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Pray for Astros’s hitters ribs and legs. It will be relentless. Pitchers will not care about being tossed.
Players needed to be suspended. I will be surprised if the the MLB old school code will take over.
Bregman all but admitted his guilt in the latest interview. Not a single Astro has denied the cheating. Should be interesting.
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If this keeps up, Houston may start to challenge Boston as the Cheater’s Capital.
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HoustonWave wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:44 am If this keeps up, Houston may start to challenge Boston as the Cheater’s Capital.
It is already . Also Houston (college) football , Golden Nugget owner Fratella (sp) throwing his money around .
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nawlinspete wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:30 am
HoustonWave wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:44 am If this keeps up, Houston may start to challenge Boston as the Cheater’s Capital.
It is already . Also Houston (college) football , Golden Nugget owner Fratella (sp) throwing his money around .
Tilman Fertitta, whom is the sole owner of Landry's Inc. (yes one of the largest restaurant companies in the US) which owns the Golden Nugget. Or, more accurately the Golden Nuggets! Landry's owns all of the Golden Nugget locations. Fertitta also owns the Houston Rockets.

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So bad Sports Books giving refunds on Yankee wagers.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/spor ... g-scandal/
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nawlinspete wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:30 am
HoustonWave wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:44 am If this keeps up, Houston may start to challenge Boston as the Cheater’s Capital.
It is already . Also Houston (college) football , Golden Nugget owner Fratella (sp) throwing his money around .
Together the Pats and Red Sox cheating greatly exceeds anything occurring in other professional sports cities.
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I am trying to understnad why "signs" are even used anymore...Hell, when I pitched, we used finger signs, but they meant nothing...a tug on the facemask, a hand on the shinguard, a "push on the chest protector were the "signs' we actually used....the fingers did not mean one damn thing
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tpstulane wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:58 pm I’m hearing they cheated all season. Imagine knowing every pitch as a good hitter. Huge advantage. This is worst then the steroid era. It’s easier to get a player out that is on steroids versus one that knows what pitch is coming.
Altuve, Bergman and the rest may have been tipped off all year with the pitches.
MLB's investigation revealed the Astros initially developed a system using illegal electronics to decode signs so a runner on second base could relay the sign to the hitter. Houston first tried whistling and clapping to relay signs from the dugout before settling on banging a garbage can. MLB's report says the Astros stole signs throughout the 2017 regular season and postseason, and early in 2018 as well.
I know I was never a baseball player like you were, but I expected you to be have done some research first. If it was such a huge advantage for a hitter, explain why:

1)the Astros had a better record on the road than at home in 2017 53-28 vs 48-33
2)All of Altuves splits were better on the road than at home. Better BA/Slugging/etc
3) majority of the rest of team also had better road than home splits.

If knowing in advance was such a help, how can you explain this? Which is also why they stopped in early 2018. It wasn't really helping at all. And they still went on to win 104 games in 2018, and 107 games in 2019, and another AL pennant, with no cheating.
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tpstulane wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:40 am So bad Sports Books giving refunds on Yankee wagers.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/spor ... g-scandal/
The same sportsbook also refunded all wagers on the Saints after the Saints-Ram NFCCG. Publicity stunt, nothing more.
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RobertM320 wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:20 pm
tpstulane wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:58 pm I’m hearing they cheated all season. Imagine knowing every pitch as a good hitter. Huge advantage. This is worst then the steroid era. It’s easier to get a player out that is on steroids versus one that knows what pitch is coming.
Altuve, Bergman and the rest may have been tipped off all year with the pitches.
MLB's investigation revealed the Astros initially developed a system using illegal electronics to decode signs so a runner on second base could relay the sign to the hitter. Houston first tried whistling and clapping to relay signs from the dugout before settling on banging a garbage can. MLB's report says the Astros stole signs throughout the 2017 regular season and postseason, and early in 2018 as well.
I know I was never a baseball player like you were, but I expected you to be have done some research first. If it was such a huge advantage for a hitter, explain why:

1)the Astros had a better record on the road than at home in 2017 53-28 vs 48-33
2)All of Altuves splits were better on the road than at home. Better BA/Slugging/etc
3) majority of the rest of team also had better road than home splits.

If knowing in advance was such a help, how can you explain this? Which is also why they stopped in early 2018. It wasn't really helping at all. And they still went on to win 104 games in 2018, and 107 games in 2019, and another AL pennant, with no cheating.
They can't. It's the mob mentality. Nobody knows specifics on this....how it was used, when it was used (other than at home). This "scandal" is akin to the Saints Bountygate bs. The true crime committed in this scenario is that the MLB commissioners office told all teams to stop using technology to cheat (again all teams...so yes, all teams were doing something). The Astros didn't stop, so they are the ones being used as an example. Now, why is this still a story after the commissioner issued his penalties against the Astros? Simple...the media continues to egg this on. Writing or reporting new articles almost every day with new angles. How many faux stories can we hear/read about players who are incensed they were cheated against? I guarantee you they don't want their skeletons exposed; i.e., using substances on pitches, etc... Did you see there was an article based on an obscure reddit post that the Astros had a buzzer system that would vibrate on the players' skin and that Altuve didn't want his jersey ripped off for fear it would show. We live in a mob mentality these days. Social media has it's benefits but this is another example of how horrendous it has become.
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RobertM320 wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:20 pm
tpstulane wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:58 pm I’m hearing they cheated all season. Imagine knowing every pitch as a good hitter. Huge advantage. This is worst then the steroid era. It’s easier to get a player out that is on steroids versus one that knows what pitch is coming.
Altuve, Bergman and the rest may have been tipped off all year with the pitches.
MLB's investigation revealed the Astros initially developed a system using illegal electronics to decode signs so a runner on second base could relay the sign to the hitter. Houston first tried whistling and clapping to relay signs from the dugout before settling on banging a garbage can. MLB's report says the Astros stole signs throughout the 2017 regular season and postseason, and early in 2018 as well.
I know I was never a baseball player like you were, but I expected you to be have done some research first. If it was such a huge advantage for a hitter, explain why:

1)the Astros had a better record on the road than at home in 2017 53-28 vs 48-33
2)All of Altuves splits were better on the road than at home. Better BA/Slugging/etc
3) majority of the rest of team also had better road than home splits.

If knowing in advance was such a help, how can you explain this? Which is also why they stopped in early 2018. It wasn't really helping at all. And they still went on to win 104 games in 2018, and 107 games in 2019, and another AL pennant, with no cheating.
Check Home Runs. The advantage is you’re looking for a pitch you can hit out. Not so much a base hit.
Check the avg with runners on 2nd base. All those other stats are meaningless.
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RobertM320 wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:20 pm
tpstulane wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:58 pm I’m hearing they cheated all season. Imagine knowing every pitch as a good hitter. Huge advantage. This is worst then the steroid era. It’s easier to get a player out that is on steroids versus one that knows what pitch is coming.
Altuve, Bergman and the rest may have been tipped off all year with the pitches.
MLB's investigation revealed the Astros initially developed a system using illegal electronics to decode signs so a runner on second base could relay the sign to the hitter. Houston first tried whistling and clapping to relay signs from the dugout before settling on banging a garbage can. MLB's report says the Astros stole signs throughout the 2017 regular season and postseason, and early in 2018 as well.
I know I was never a baseball player like you were, but I expected you to be have done some research first. If it was such a huge advantage for a hitter, explain why:

1)the Astros had a better record on the road than at home in 2017 53-28 vs 48-33
2)All of Altuves splits were better on the road than at home. Better BA/Slugging/etc
3) majority of the rest of team also had better road than home splits.

If knowing in advance was such a help, how can you explain this? Which is also why they stopped in early 2018. It wasn't really helping at all. And they still went on to win 104 games in 2018, and 107 games in 2019, and another AL pennant, with no cheating.
You can find stats to show that it didn’t help and others have found stats to show that it did help.





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This is a lesson for all Sports franchises...They need ot get the "Organized Crime Handbook' rule number one clearly states " Three can keep a secret, if Two are dead "
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