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Re: Winning Does

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:38 am

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nawlinspete wrote:We are playing well; correction extremely well.


Not sure what team you were watching, but it sure as sh*t wasn't Tulane


Some of this. We have yet to see Tulane accomplish anything that would be worthy of saying that everything has changed. If Tulane loses to either Army or Tulsa, it will place Tulane's goal of bowl eligibility in jeopardy. Glancing at the performances of other teams on the schedule so far, @ECU and @FIU should be wins unless either this Tulane team has the away game issues that CJ's 2013 team had or those programs improve significantly before they play Tulane, but, beyond that and the insta-loss @Oklahoma, it's difficult to be too optimistic or pessimistic until the Army and Tulsa games are played since Tulane fans will have a better idea of which and how many other teams Tulane would need to defeat to reach 6 wins.



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Re: Winning Does

Postby nawlinspete » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:44 pm

Aberzombie1892 wrote:
msdos wrote:
nawlinspete wrote:We are playing well; correction extremely well.


Not sure what team you were watching, but it sure as sh*t wasn't Tulane


Some of this. We have yet to see Tulane accomplish anything that would be worthy of saying that everything has changed. If Tulane loses to either Army or Tulsa, it will place Tulane's goal of bowl eligibility in jeopardy. Glancing at the performances of other teams on the schedule so far, @ECU and @FIU should be wins unless either this Tulane team has the away game issues that CJ's 2013 team had or those programs improve significantly before they play Tulane, but, beyond that and the insta-loss @Oklahoma, it's difficult to be too optimistic or pessimistic until the Army and Tulsa games are played since Tulane fans will have a better idea of which and how many other teams Tulane would need to defeat to reach 6 wins.


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Re: Winning Does

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:57 pm

Yes and no. "Yes" in the sense that those games would be worth watching since there is so much uncertainty surrounding the strength of the program this year, but also "No" in the sense Tulane that fans that follow the program closely may have expected fewer issues versus Navy (i.e. passing, third down efficiency, coaching decision making, special teams, capitalizing on turnovers, etc.) regardless as to whether Tulane had won or lost.



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Re: Winning Does

Postby nawlinspete » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:00 pm

Aberzombie1892 wrote:Yes and no. "Yes" in the sense that those games would be worth watching since there is so much uncertainty surrounding the strength of the program this year, but also "No" in the sense Tulane that fans that follow the program closely may have expected fewer issues versus Navy (i.e. passing, third down efficiency, coaching decision making, special teams, capitalizing on turnovers, etc.) regardless as to whether Tulane had won or lost.


Wrong. 'fans' who do not support the athletes and the university are not fans.


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Re: Winning Does

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:33 pm

nawlinspete wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:Yes and no. "Yes" in the sense that those games would be worth watching since there is so much uncertainty surrounding the strength of the program this year, but also "No" in the sense Tulane that fans that follow the program closely may have expected fewer issues versus Navy (i.e. passing, third down efficiency, coaching decision making, special teams, capitalizing on turnovers, etc.) regardless as to whether Tulane had won or lost.


Wrong. 'fans' who do not support the athletes and the university are not fans.


A difference of opinion I suppose. To phrase it differently, Tulane hasn't defeated an FBS team that ended the season with a winning record since Nov. 8, 2014 (@Houston), and, while it showed glimpses of the ability to accomplish that feat versus Navy, the same old issues continued to take place that prevented it from being able to due so (special teams, third down efficiency, inability to capitalize on turnovers, difficulty scoring, etc.). Tulane has now played 3 increasingly close games in a row against Navy, but each game has still ended the same way, and, in the other two seasons, Tulane did not come close to bowl eligibility.

Add to all of that that Tulane wants the firstborn children of Tulane fans as a donation in order for those fans to get good season tickets to games and attendance will not look good. Sure, some Tulane fans who chose not to renew season tickets because of donations may still buy good seats individually, but, when they do that, it's far less likely that they will attend each home game since there is no sunk cost.



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Re: Winning Does

Postby nawlinspete » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:57 pm

And because winning matters Coach Fritz and his staff called a great game, allowing their men to go out and bring home the bacon.

Perhaps our most significant single game victory since the 1950's. I cannot think of any coach other than perhaps Vince Gibson or Jim Pittman who have had the blessings of years of big time college coaching moxie to allow an injured and hurting QB go for it on 4th and six deep in their own territory or go for the win on 4th and 1 at the 4.

Fritz and his staff read their players well and fully, apparently, know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em.

Tulane would be wise to extend the entire staff, with healthy raises, before we kick it off against Tulsa. This will not be another CJ mistake but a wise "stock option" investment likely to pay huge dividends for Tulane and for each and every member of the coaching staff down the road.

And all together we will be sending the message that TULANE CARES after years of neglect and mismanagement of Tulane Athletics.


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Re: Winning Does

Postby RobertM320 » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:53 pm

Not sure if anyone listened to the recently released audio tape of Fritz talking to his Ga Southern team when he told them he was taking the Tulane job. One of the things most important to him was job security. GaSo wouldn't give it to him, it was year by year. Tulane offered him a six year contract. So at this point, I'm not sure he'd be looking to take a chance somewhere at a mid-level P5 where he might coach 3 yrs and be fired. Heck, if he's here for six years and takes us to winning seasons and bowl games in 3 of them, he'd be the most successful coach of the last 70 years here, unless you count Bowden, who didn't really build anything.


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Re: Winning Does

Postby Ruski » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:33 pm

We have him signed up for 5 more years. I know that doesn't mean much if a big team comes calling but let's see him take us to a bowl victory before we start shelling out extra cash.



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Re: Winning Does

Postby RobertM320 » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:22 pm

Ruski wrote:We have him signed up for 5 more years. I know that doesn't mean much if a big team comes calling but let's see him take us to a bowl victory before we start shelling out extra cash.


I didn't say anything about shelling out more cash. I'm just saying it wouldn't take much for him to be one of the best coaches we ever had.


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Re: Winning Does

Postby nawlinspete » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:17 am

Let's be proactive and throw more cash....

Let's show the staff they are fully appreciated....

And lets show the world that now TULANE CARES and that we will do what is necessary to control our own future. A five year extension will preclude others from forcing us to react instead of control our destiny while providing the coaches withall the comforts of a comfortable permanent Tulane home....


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Re: Winning Does

Postby DfromCT » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:30 am

nawlinspete wrote:Let's be proactive and throw more cash....

Let's show the staff they are fully appreciated....

And lets show the world that now TULANE CARES and that we will do what is necessary to control our own future. A five year extension will preclude others from forcing us to react instead of control our destiny while providing the coaches withall the comforts of a comfortable permanent Tulane home....


Let the season play out at the very minimum. I think Coach Fritz is a very good coach, but we're 2-2, same place we've been quite often recently. We don't have to do anything right now, and should have learned from premature extensions Rick Dickson gave out.


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Re: Winning Does

Postby Show Me » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:45 am

DfromCT wrote:
nawlinspete wrote:Let's be proactive and throw more cash....

Let's show the staff they are fully appreciated....

And lets show the world that now TULANE CARES and that we will do what is necessary to control our own future. A five year extension will preclude others from forcing us to react instead of control our destiny while providing the coaches withall the comforts of a comfortable permanent Tulane home....


Let the season play out at the very minimum. I think Coach Fritz is a very good coach, but we're 2-2, same place we've been quite often recently. We don't have to do anything right now, and should have learned from premature extensions Rick Dickson gave out.

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Makes zero “cents” to throw more cash at this point. If an SEC team wants WF what little cash we throw will be peanuts. He signed a 6 year deal so he has what he wanted. Tulane will be favored in at least 4 remaining games. So we should at the very least go 6-6. Dickson gave CJ a raise and extension too soon and it was a mistake.



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Re: Winning Does

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:09 am

Show Me wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
nawlinspete wrote:Let's be proactive and throw more cash....

Let's show the staff they are fully appreciated....

And lets show the world that now TULANE CARES and that we will do what is necessary to control our own future. A five year extension will preclude others from forcing us to react instead of control our destiny while providing the coaches withall the comforts of a comfortable permanent Tulane home....


Let the season play out at the very minimum. I think Coach Fritz is a very good coach, but we're 2-2, same place we've been quite often recently. We don't have to do anything right now, and should have learned from premature extensions Rick Dickson gave out.

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Makes zero “cents” to throw more cash at this point. If an SEC team wants WF what little cash we throw will be peanuts. He signed a 6 year deal so he has what he wanted. Tulane will be favored in at least 4 remaining games. So we should at the very least go 6-6. Dickson gave CJ a raise and extension too soon and it was a mistake.


This. Honestly, it may not make sense to extend WF until one of the following occurs: (1) he has more than 1 bowl eligible season, (2) he has a winning record versus OOC opponents next season (i.e. beats Wake Forest next season), or (3) does not beat Wake next season but wins 7+ regular seasons games.

Plus, as Show Me indicated, if Fritz leaves, it will virtually certainly be for a P5 that has more resources than Tulane does, so extending him primarily as an effort to prevent him from leaving would be futile.



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Re: Winning Does

Postby MicMan » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:48 am

Maybe the best thing is for people here to stop chasing the mice running around inside their heads. ;)



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Re: Winning Does

Postby golfnut69 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:56 am

MicMan wrote:Maybe the best thing is for people here to stop chasing the mice running around inside their heads. ;)


or the gerbils up other parts of their bodies !!!


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Re: Winning Does

Postby sader24 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:32 pm

Extend him after he gets to a bowl game. No reason to be giving extensions for anything less.



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Re: Winning Does

Postby RobertM320 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:23 pm

sader24 wrote:Extend him after he gets to a bowl game. No reason to be giving extensions for anything less.


I'm not sure 6-6 and a bowl trip this season is enough for an extension. He's decently paid for an AAC coach, and unless he's got another offer coming, I'd prefer to see a second winning season. Dannen wants a foundation built. You dont pay just for driving the pilings. You pay after the slab is poured and you've started framing the structure.


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Re: Winning Does

Postby sader24 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:39 pm

I think getting the dumpster fire he walked into a bowl game in two years would be worthy of an extension of some sort, but I have no problem with higher expectations.



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Re: Winning Does

Postby DfromCT » Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:51 am

The only way I'd extend him is if he has a winning season (which mean better than 6-6, and not 7-6 with a minor bowl victory) AND the extension included a clause that he pay back money if he leaves before the end of the contract.

But again, we're 2-2 and have yet to accomplish anything worthy of an extension. Play the season, worry about this afterwards.


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Re: Winning Does

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:44 am

DfromCT wrote:The only way I'd extend him is if he has a winning season (which mean better than 6-6, and not 7-6 with a minor bowl victory) AND the extension included a clause that he pay back money if he leaves before the end of the contract.

But again, we're 2-2 and have yet to accomplish anything worthy of an extension. Play the season, worry about this afterwards.


I agree, but it will be interesting to see what happens between WF and TD. On one hand, if he wins 6-7 total games this season, he will probably want an extension and point the on the field progress and the the fact that he only has 4 years remaining on his contract as reasons why he should get one. On the other hand, Fritz is unlikely to leave for another G5 since the highest profile G5s do not appear to be preparing to enter the coaching market in the offseason (i.e. Boise/Houston/Cincinnati/etc.), and, even if Tulane extended him, he would not accomplished enough to justify a notable raise, such as a $1M/year increase to $2.6M overall, so the extension would not be enough to keep away P5s anyway.



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Re: Winning Does

Postby OUG » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:32 am

Aberzombie1892 wrote:
DfromCT wrote:The only way I'd extend him is if he has a winning season (which mean better than 6-6, and not 7-6 with a minor bowl victory) AND the extension included a clause that he pay back money if he leaves before the end of the contract.

But again, we're 2-2 and have yet to accomplish anything worthy of an extension. Play the season, worry about this afterwards.


I agree, but it will be interesting to see what happens between WF and TD. On one hand, if he wins 6-7 total games this season, he will probably want an extension and point the on the field progress and the the fact that he only has 4 years remaining on his contract as reasons why he should get one. On the other hand, Fritz is unlikely to leave for another G5 since the highest profile G5s do not appear to be preparing to enter the coaching market in the offseason (i.e. Boise/Houston/Cincinnati/etc.), and, even if Tulane extended him, he would not accomplished enough to justify a notable raise, such as a $1M/year increase to $2.6M overall, so the extension would not be enough to keep away P5s anyway.


The raise/extension wouldn't be to stop him from leaving for a P5 program, it would be to increase the buyout for when he does.



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Re: Winning Does

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:47 am

True, but it would also increase the buyout if he is fired. Given that, would it make sense to extend a coach just for winning 6 games one time (assuming that occurs this season)? What if the P5s never come and that one season was a flash in the pan?



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Re: Winning Does

Postby RobertM320 » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:49 am

Aberzombie1892 wrote:True, but it would also increase the buyout if he is fired. Given that, would it make sense to extend a coach just for winning 6 games one time (assuming that occurs this season)? What if the P5s never come and that one season was a flash in the pan?


See CCJ post 2013.


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Re: Winning Does

Postby mbawavefan12 » Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:39 am

Throwing 10-15 passes a game is going to scare away most programs at this point. Unfortunately may also scare away some recruits.



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