Except that he's had the talent before and didn't do it. That led to Tarrant,Davis and others leaving. So yes we all know what should happen. However we have all seen many coaches here who say what people want to hear but then don't follow through.tpstulane wrote:This.sader24 wrote:As someone who has been around alot of basketball in my life, generally speaking you run offensively what your talent dictates. If you don't have guys that consistently get to the rim and create their own shots of course you are going to have to run the type of stuff Conroy ran. If you have better talent naturally you'll play faster and more open with more offensive freedom.
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All the handwringing is more over all of the players leaving including both PG's. As for Henson he had better stats than Jarreau. Just sayin'. We all hope this works out but we won't know till they hit the court.Robert1969 wrote:All this sturm und drang over Peyton Henson? Seriously? We have one od the best recruiting/transfer classes that Tulane has ever had in basketball, and we are whinging over losing a guy who wouldn't bench warm for most programs. Peyton Henson wants more playing time? What did he do this year that would make anyone think he was worthy of more playing time? Look at what we have coming in and answer this question, "where does Peyton Henson fit in with these guys?"
I wish Peyton Henson luck. But I am hardly upset about his departure.
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No. That's not why they left. Tarrant was an All CUSA freshman in that offense and Davis left for a higher profile program after graduating from Tulane. Both led Tulane in scoring in that offense. Oh yea we beat the team that Tarrant went to in that offense.winwave wrote:Except that he's had the talent before and didn't do it. That led to Tarrant,Davis and others leaving. So yes we all know what should happen. However we have all seen many coaches here who say what people want to hear but then don't follow through.tpstulane wrote:This.sader24 wrote:As someone who has been around alot of basketball in my life, generally speaking you run offensively what your talent dictates. If you don't have guys that consistently get to the rim and create their own shots of course you are going to have to run the type of stuff Conroy ran. If you have better talent naturally you'll play faster and more open with more offensive freedom.
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Henson's stats were almost exclusively built against lesser opposition. When it came to conference time he all but disappeared. Jarreau gives us real size and athleticism in the middle, something we almost never have.winwave wrote:All the handwringing is more over all of the players leaving including both PG's. As for Henson he had better stats than Jarreau. Just sayin'. We all hope this works out but we won't know till they hit the court.Robert1969 wrote:All this sturm und drang over Peyton Henson? Seriously? We have one od the best recruiting/transfer classes that Tulane has ever had in basketball, and we are whinging over losing a guy who wouldn't bench warm for most programs. Peyton Henson wants more playing time? What did he do this year that would make anyone think he was worthy of more playing time? Look at what we have coming in and answer this question, "where does Peyton Henson fit in with these guys?"
I wish Peyton Henson luck. But I am hardly upset about his departure.
Does the NCAA keep traxk of +/- like the NBA. I'd like to see those stats on both Henson and Jarreau.
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The roster above lacks experience and a face-up power forward, both of which Henson would bring. This is why the staff did not want him to leave. Henson would have been a contributor for the next two seasons.Robert1969 wrote:What we've got coming in:
Melvin Frazier
Blake Paul
Kain Harris
Von Julien
Maxwell Starwood
Taron Oliver
Kipper Nichols
Transfers
Malik Morgan
Jenard Jarreau
Keeping:
Louis Dabney
Dylan Osetkowski
Cameron Reynolds
Kajon Mack
Where does Peyton Henson fit on this roster? And if you think he does, how the heck is he improving his playing time?
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While I agree generally, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Is it that you *should* run offensively what your talent dictates and Conroy has refused to do that so far? Or that a new infusion of talent will allow Conroy to unveil some new coaching strategy that he's been hiding for 6 years?sader24 wrote:As someone who has been around alot of basketball in my life, generally speaking you run offensively what your talent dictates. If you don't have guys that consistently get to the rim and create their own shots of course you are going to have to run the type of stuff Conroy ran. If you have better talent naturally you'll play faster and more open with more offensive freedom.
Coaches can run different offenses, but they generally aren't going switch philosophies.
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Last season Henson had a higher TS%, a higher total rebound rate and more than double the Win Shares than Jarreau. The "Box Plus/Minus" lists Jarreau at -0.1 and Henson at -0.5 which means they are both slightly worse than average players. I've never seen Jarreau play so I'm making no judgment but the advanced metrics show that Henson -> Jarreau is at least a slight downgrade.Robert1969 wrote:Henson's stats were almost exclusively built against lesser opposition. When it came to conference time he all but disappeared. Jarreau gives us real size and athleticism in the middle, something we almost never have.winwave wrote:All the handwringing is more over all of the players leaving including both PG's. As for Henson he had better stats than Jarreau. Just sayin'. We all hope this works out but we won't know till they hit the court.Robert1969 wrote:All this sturm und drang over Peyton Henson? Seriously? We have one od the best recruiting/transfer classes that Tulane has ever had in basketball, and we are whinging over losing a guy who wouldn't bench warm for most programs. Peyton Henson wants more playing time? What did he do this year that would make anyone think he was worthy of more playing time? Look at what we have coming in and answer this question, "where does Peyton Henson fit in with these guys?"
I wish Peyton Henson luck. But I am hardly upset about his departure.
Does the NCAA keep traxk of +/- like the NBA. I'd like to see those stats on both Henson and Jarreau.
So I guess Henson should end up at Ok St.jonathanjoseph wrote:Last season Henson had a higher TS%, a higher total rebound rate and more than double the Win Shares than Jarreau. The "Box Plus/Minus" lists Jarreau at -0.1 and Henson at -0.5 which means they are both slightly worse than average players. I've never seen Jarreau play so I'm making no judgment but the advanced metrics show that Henson -> Jarreau is at least a slight downgrade.Robert1969 wrote:Henson's stats were almost exclusively built against lesser opposition. When it came to conference time he all but disappeared. Jarreau gives us real size and athleticism in the middle, something we almost never have.winwave wrote:All the handwringing is more over all of the players leaving including both PG's. As for Henson he had better stats than Jarreau. Just sayin'. We all hope this works out but we won't know till they hit the court.Robert1969 wrote:All this sturm und drang over Peyton Henson? Seriously? We have one od the best recruiting/transfer classes that Tulane has ever had in basketball, and we are whinging over losing a guy who wouldn't bench warm for most programs. Peyton Henson wants more playing time? What did he do this year that would make anyone think he was worthy of more playing time? Look at what we have coming in and answer this question, "where does Peyton Henson fit in with these guys?"
I wish Peyton Henson luck. But I am hardly upset about his departure.
Does the NCAA keep traxk of +/- like the NBA. I'd like to see those stats on both Henson and Jarreau.
6 pages on a guy that left Tulane who sat the bench on team that won 15 games and had a losing record. Wow.
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Yes that's exactly what I said. Henson will end up at Ok St.tpstulane wrote:So I guess Henson should end up at Ok St.jonathanjoseph wrote:Last season Henson had a higher TS%, a higher total rebound rate and more than double the Win Shares than Jarreau. The "Box Plus/Minus" lists Jarreau at -0.1 and Henson at -0.5 which means they are both slightly worse than average players. I've never seen Jarreau play so I'm making no judgment but the advanced metrics show that Henson -> Jarreau is at least a slight downgrade.Robert1969 wrote:Henson's stats were almost exclusively built against lesser opposition. When it came to conference time he all but disappeared. Jarreau gives us real size and athleticism in the middle, something we almost never have.winwave wrote:All the handwringing is more over all of the players leaving including both PG's. As for Henson he had better stats than Jarreau. Just sayin'. We all hope this works out but we won't know till they hit the court.Robert1969 wrote:All this sturm und drang over Peyton Henson? Seriously? We have one od the best recruiting/transfer classes that Tulane has ever had in basketball, and we are whinging over losing a guy who wouldn't bench warm for most programs. Peyton Henson wants more playing time? What did he do this year that would make anyone think he was worthy of more playing time? Look at what we have coming in and answer this question, "where does Peyton Henson fit in with these guys?"
I wish Peyton Henson luck. But I am hardly upset about his departure.
Does the NCAA keep traxk of +/- like the NBA. I'd like to see those stats on both Henson and Jarreau.
6 pages on a guy that left Tulane who sat the bench on team that won 15 games and had a losing record. Wow.
His stats were pretty much static. On paper Jarreau looks like he will give us that. On the court he hasn't yet.Robert1969 wrote:Henson's stats were almost exclusively built against lesser opposition. When it came to conference time he all but disappeared. Jarreau gives us real size and athleticism in the middle, something we almost never have.winwave wrote:All the handwringing is more over all of the players leaving including both PG's. As for Henson he had better stats than Jarreau. Just sayin'. We all hope this works out but we won't know till they hit the court.Robert1969 wrote:All this sturm und drang over Peyton Henson? Seriously? We have one od the best recruiting/transfer classes that Tulane has ever had in basketball, and we are whinging over losing a guy who wouldn't bench warm for most programs. Peyton Henson wants more playing time? What did he do this year that would make anyone think he was worthy of more playing time? Look at what we have coming in and answer this question, "where does Peyton Henson fit in with these guys?"
I wish Peyton Henson luck. But I am hardly upset about his departure.
Does the NCAA keep traxk of +/- like the NBA. I'd like to see those stats on both Henson and Jarreau.
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You and yours have contributed to that.tpstulane wrote:So I guess Henson should end up at Ok St.jonathanjoseph wrote:Last season Henson had a higher TS%, a higher total rebound rate and more than double the Win Shares than Jarreau. The "Box Plus/Minus" lists Jarreau at -0.1 and Henson at -0.5 which means they are both slightly worse than average players. I've never seen Jarreau play so I'm making no judgment but the advanced metrics show that Henson -> Jarreau is at least a slight downgrade.Robert1969 wrote:Henson's stats were almost exclusively built against lesser opposition. When it came to conference time he all but disappeared. Jarreau gives us real size and athleticism in the middle, something we almost never have.winwave wrote:All the handwringing is more over all of the players leaving including both PG's. As for Henson he had better stats than Jarreau. Just sayin'. We all hope this works out but we won't know till they hit the court.Robert1969 wrote:All this sturm und drang over Peyton Henson? Seriously? We have one od the best recruiting/transfer classes that Tulane has ever had in basketball, and we are whinging over losing a guy who wouldn't bench warm for most programs. Peyton Henson wants more playing time? What did he do this year that would make anyone think he was worthy of more playing time? Look at what we have coming in and answer this question, "where does Peyton Henson fit in with these guys?"
I wish Peyton Henson luck. But I am hardly upset about his departure.
Does the NCAA keep traxk of +/- like the NBA. I'd like to see those stats on both Henson and Jarreau.
6 pages on a guy that left Tulane who sat the bench on team that won 15 games and had a losing record. Wow.
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+1 lolwinwave wrote:You and yours have contributed to that.tpstulane wrote:So I guess Henson should end up at Ok St.jonathanjoseph wrote:Last season Henson had a higher TS%, a higher total rebound rate and more than double the Win Shares than Jarreau. The "Box Plus/Minus" lists Jarreau at -0.1 and Henson at -0.5 which means they are both slightly worse than average players. I've never seen Jarreau play so I'm making no judgment but the advanced metrics show that Henson -> Jarreau is at least a slight downgrade.Robert1969 wrote:Henson's stats were almost exclusively built against lesser opposition. When it came to conference time he all but disappeared. Jarreau gives us real size and athleticism in the middle, something we almost never have.winwave wrote:All the handwringing is more over all of the players leaving including both PG's. As for Henson he had better stats than Jarreau. Just sayin'. We all hope this works out but we won't know till they hit the court.Robert1969 wrote:All this sturm und drang over Peyton Henson? Seriously? We have one od the best recruiting/transfer classes that Tulane has ever had in basketball, and we are whinging over losing a guy who wouldn't bench warm for most programs. Peyton Henson wants more playing time? What did he do this year that would make anyone think he was worthy of more playing time? Look at what we have coming in and answer this question, "where does Peyton Henson fit in with these guys?"
I wish Peyton Henson luck. But I am hardly upset about his departure.
Does the NCAA keep traxk of +/- like the NBA. I'd like to see those stats on both Henson and Jarreau.
6 pages on a guy that left Tulane who sat the bench on team that won 15 games and had a losing record. Wow.
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Lot better topic is our win over a top 50 team.
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jonathanjoseph wrote:
The roster above lacks experience and a face-up power forward, both of which Henson would bring.
Apparently you haven't seen Henson play either.jonathanjoseph wrote: Last season Henson had a higher TS%, a higher total rebound rate and more than double the Win Shares than Jarreau. The "Box Plus/Minus" lists Jarreau at -0.1 and Henson at -0.5 which means they are both slightly worse than average players. I've never seen Jarreau play so I'm making no judgment but the advanced metrics show that Henson -> Jarreau is at least a slight downgrade.
Henson would have played a lot this year and will probably have a nice career at a mid major. I wish him the best.
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If Jarreau was 6'10'' 240lbs with a face up game he'd be declaring for the NBA draft not transferring to Tulane.DrBox wrote:jonathanjoseph wrote:
The roster above lacks experience and a face-up power forward, both of which Henson would bring.Apparently you haven't seen Henson play either.jonathanjoseph wrote: Last season Henson had a higher TS%, a higher total rebound rate and more than double the Win Shares than Jarreau. The "Box Plus/Minus" lists Jarreau at -0.1 and Henson at -0.5 which means they are both slightly worse than average players. I've never seen Jarreau play so I'm making no judgment but the advanced metrics show that Henson -> Jarreau is at least a slight downgrade.
Henson would have played a lot this year and will probably have a nice career at a mid major. I wish him the best.
Yes Henson will have a nice career, that's all I've noted or implied. I'm more pushing back against those who believe that the Tulane program can afford to lose productive players with hard to find skill sets.
If "productive" means shooting low 30's overall and 13% from 3, then I guess Tulane can't afford to lose anyone.jonathanjoseph wrote:If Jarreau was 6'10'' 240lbs with a face up game he'd be declaring for the NBA draft not transferring to Tulane.DrBox wrote:jonathanjoseph wrote:
The roster above lacks experience and a face-up power forward, both of which Henson would bring.Apparently you haven't seen Henson play either.jonathanjoseph wrote: Last season Henson had a higher TS%, a higher total rebound rate and more than double the Win Shares than Jarreau. The "Box Plus/Minus" lists Jarreau at -0.1 and Henson at -0.5 which means they are both slightly worse than average players. I've never seen Jarreau play so I'm making no judgment but the advanced metrics show that Henson -> Jarreau is at least a slight downgrade.
Henson would have played a lot this year and will probably have a nice career at a mid major. I wish him the best.
Yes Henson will have a nice career, that's all I've noted or implied. I'm more pushing back against those who believe that the Tulane program can afford to lose productive players with hard to find skill sets.
This isn't 1987 anymore. The basketball landscape is filled with "power forwards" who do nothing but face the basket. If Tulane doesn't have one next year, they'll get one the year after. In the meantime, they'll throw out some rotations early on and figure out which combos work the best.
Judging by some of the comments on this thread, the unaware might think Tulane was losing Jerald Honeycutt.
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I call BS. Please quote any post that suggests Henson is anything resembling Jerald Honeycutt.puffy wrote:If "productive" means shooting low 30's overall and 13% from 3, then I guess Tulane can't afford to lose anyone.jonathanjoseph wrote:If Jarreau was 6'10'' 240lbs with a face up game he'd be declaring for the NBA draft not transferring to Tulane.DrBox wrote:jonathanjoseph wrote:
The roster above lacks experience and a face-up power forward, both of which Henson would bring.Apparently you haven't seen Henson play either.jonathanjoseph wrote: Last season Henson had a higher TS%, a higher total rebound rate and more than double the Win Shares than Jarreau. The "Box Plus/Minus" lists Jarreau at -0.1 and Henson at -0.5 which means they are both slightly worse than average players. I've never seen Jarreau play so I'm making no judgment but the advanced metrics show that Henson -> Jarreau is at least a slight downgrade.
Henson would have played a lot this year and will probably have a nice career at a mid major. I wish him the best.
Yes Henson will have a nice career, that's all I've noted or implied. I'm more pushing back against those who believe that the Tulane program can afford to lose productive players with hard to find skill sets.
This isn't 1987 anymore. The basketball landscape is filled with "power forwards" who do nothing but face the basket. If Tulane doesn't have one next year, they'll get one the year after. In the meantime, they'll throw out some rotations early on and figure out which combos work the best.
Judging by some of the comments on this thread, the unaware might think Tulane was losing Jerald Honeycutt.
Meanwhile, that's the point. We don't have a face up 4 on the roster next season.
Some people just can't see the forest for the trees. Or they just refuse to understand, have an agenda or really have no clue about the bigger picture. If Henson stays we don't have the room to get Jenard Jarreau. Since Jarreau came here and not at Ok St we have a better shot to get his 4 star younger cousin DeJon Jarreau class of 2016. It's relationships that we are finally building.
Look below and learn JJ. You really have no clue on this subject. You are trolling here. Stick to the topic you know best, Cowen bashing please.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/baske ... on-jarreau
Here's the updated list.
Offers from UMass, Washington, UL-Lafayette, UNO, Oklahoma, Tulsa, Southeastern, Memphis, LA Tech, Boston College, Oral Roberts, Northwestern State, Tulane, Miami, Oklahoma State and Temple. UNLV, Baylor, Wake, Vanderbilt, Arkansas and Arizona are also recruiting him.
Look below and learn JJ. You really have no clue on this subject. You are trolling here. Stick to the topic you know best, Cowen bashing please.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/baske ... on-jarreau
Here's the updated list.
Offers from UMass, Washington, UL-Lafayette, UNO, Oklahoma, Tulsa, Southeastern, Memphis, LA Tech, Boston College, Oral Roberts, Northwestern State, Tulane, Miami, Oklahoma State and Temple. UNLV, Baylor, Wake, Vanderbilt, Arkansas and Arizona are also recruiting him.
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Where Starwood is. I don't think Starwood signed. And Henson didn't show any ability to face up and score in the low post. He is an outside shooter. He was showing progress in rebounding and he was frequently used for defense at the end of games (something hopefully Dylan O, who was a much better low post player, improves on). Jarreau certainly will help us defensively.mbawavefan12 wrote:Where's Smith?Robert1969 wrote:What we've got coming in:
Melvin Frazier
Blake Paul
Kain Harris
Von Julien
Maxwell Starwood
Taron Oliver
Kipper Nichols
Transfers
Malik Morgan
Jenard Jarreau
Keeping:
Louis Dabney
Dylan Osetkowski
Cameron Reynolds
Kajon Mack
Where does Peyton Henson fit on this roster? And if you think he does, how the heck is he improving his playing time?
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Henson, like most of Conroy's recruits prior to this year, would have been a good player at The Citadel.
Since we are bashing players, I would have rather gotten rid of other players before Henson. If we needed a spot open for a transfer center, then I probably would have looked at the center position for the swap. That would be a direct increase in talent over what we had. Just saying.JerseyWave wrote:Henson, like most of Conroy's recruits prior to this year, would have been a good player at The Citadel.
Henson left on his own. He probably saw that Tulane was going in another direction and thought about his personal situation and felt he'd be better suited at another school. Jarreau probably felt the same way when he decided to leave UW. Tulane has to do what's best for the team and not any individual. Ryan Smith may be content to continue his role coming off the bench, perhaps Henson was not and probably thought he should have started or at least play more minutes last season. The bottom line is he's gone and we have improved our roster since that happened. I hope he find's a school that suit's his game that he can flourish in. He's a good kid but he just didn't put the skins up on the wall in AAC play.
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Jarreau hasn't put the skins on the wall in college either. Hopefully he can stay healthy and perform up to the hype.
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Simple question to you. If you were forced to choose between Henson and Jarreau who would you pick? No explanation. Just one or the other.winwave wrote:Jarreau hasn't put the skins on the wall in college either. Hopefully he can stay healthy and perform up to the hype.
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