2017 commit - OLB K. J. Vault, Hoover HS, Birmingham

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Lang5 wrote:Not sure how high school stats transfer into a player ability to play college football. Size and a skillset has to be considered along with the skill set of the players he is playing against in high school. along with coaching and system he is playing in. It is known in the recruiting world that a two
and three star in Florida is a three and four star in other states. Cuilette was a three star qb who senior stats who completed 127-of-255 passes for 2,128 yards, 25 touchdowns and 10 interceptions while running 121 times for 493 yards and five touchdowns. Bradwell was a two star qb from florida who stats as a senior, accounted for over 2,300 yards of offense and 27 touchdowns...rushed for 1,213 yards on 125 carries (9.7 ypc) and 134.8 yards per game and threw for 1,097 yards and 11 touchdowns. However they both are co starters with Bradwell only being here for a couple months while Glenn has been a couple years and they are neck and neck.
From a recruiting perspective, you have no control over what happens with a prospect once that prospect gets on campus as that is when coaching/weigh training/decision making/personal drive development/adjusting to schemes occurs. Recruiting occurs before all of that, and it has the implicit goal of trying to get the best players possible to your campus so that they can become even better through all of that development. Given what we have seen from Fritz so far, it seems reasonable to conclude that he values speed over almost everything else, and, if Bradwell is faster than Glen, Bradwell being higher than Glen makes sense - and that also would explain Powell's fall.

Arguing that a FL 2-3* is the same as a 4* somewhere else is a tough one, especially if that argument is being utilized to justify our commits. The rating sites generally use the same cut off for 4-5* players at about ~50 players for 5* and ~250 for 4* nationally a year, so, at least in theory, the very best players would have that designation regardless of where they are from. Granted, there are likely a lot of very good 3* players in FL that do not make that cut off, but the very same could be said for GA, LA, TX, CA, OH, PA, etc, and that doesn't really explain the fact that we can't sign a consensus 3* Louisiana QB while ULL/FAU/etc. can.

As a side note, Levi Lewis (LA) and Kaylan Wiggins (FL) played at the highest classifications in their states, so, unless you believe that FL plays much tougher football than LA, these players are certainly comparable in terms of strength of opposition - hence why an evaluation of stats makes it easy to conclude why one is 2* and the other is 3*.
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glennc wrote:i wish most of you would quit trying to make excuses and trying to make scenarios where these recruits are better then what they are. The bottom line is that so far Fritz first recruiting class is pathetic. Their is no way we are going to get Big XII invite with these recruits.
Welcome Mr. Vault!

You're missing the point here. Yes this recruiting class is low ranked right now, but why some of us (like me) are optimistic is because we finally have a head coach that we can throw our blind trust in the fact that he knows what he is doing. What we are trying to do is stay encouraged and before we start questioning him and naysaying him, let's let him have a season under his belt, or at the very least a few games. It does us 0 good to criticize him based on his recruiting right now because he is recruiting for a program that has been on life support for a few decades without a game under his belt.

Now, if the product on the field is just as bad as CJ, believe me, you won't hear my say a word besides moving for a change of direction, however, the fact is that we haven't seen him coach a game under a TU uniform, which means recruits have 0 games to watch on how TU's system might be and whether they would fit in, and the fact that we (on the boards) have confusion on what sort of offense he is going to run should show that this confusion is probably prevalent among potential recruits.

Let the man work, encourage the new kids coming in, and let's see the product before we complain. Happy Monday from the bayou. :mrgreen: Roll wave!
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glennc wrote:i wish most of you would quit trying to make excuses and trying to make scenarios where these recruits are better then what they are. The bottom line is that so far Fritz first recruiting class is pathetic. Their is no way we are going to get Big XII invite with these recruits.
Yes and No.

The 2017 class so far definitely appears pathetic.

That being said we will be admitted, or not, to the BIG XII notwithstanding Fritz' pathetic recruiting and all of the Cow/Dick blunders because the BIG XII is looking AHEAD, not back. If we, in their view have the potential the BIG XII presidents seek in an additional member they know that admittance will transform us just as it transformed TCU....
President Fitts , B of A , it's put up or forever hold your peace time . Make Tulane ATHLETICS relevant and top 30 again .
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Its also really hard to compare this to previous years. Its August. I'll guarantee right now that at least four, if not more of these 10 won't be there on signing day in February. If we lose them to better offers, then that tells you Fritz knew what he was looking at before the others did. If we do better than expected, we'll see better players committing to us later in the process.
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