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Postby RollWaveRoll » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:40 am

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Dannen f**ked up. He owns this.

Agree with those who said this was an ego trip. Hiring Cannizaro or Riser was too obvious. He got cute, had to take a guy who was 100% his pick. Like one of those guys you know who never thinks an idea is good unless he came up with it himself.


I think thats a bit unfair. So far it looks bad but on paper it did make sense. Pierce had mentioned the obstacles in place for pricey academic oriented private schools like Tulane, that may have caught TDs attention too much. I think TD got enamored with the idea of hiring the top assistant/recruiter for what has been the best academically oriented private baseball program ober the last few years. Perhaps he made that choice without really considering the baseball side of things. Or just doesn't understand major college baseball.
Maybe a booster will step up if this thing really goes south, but i just don't see an AD firing a guy he just hired especially with Jewetts resume. I also don't see TU paying the buyout, hence the need for a big time booster to step in.


As I recall it, both Cannizaro and Riser made the fatal mistake of asking about resource commitments during their interviews with TD.


I would've done the same....I would not have taken the job if i didnt think i had everyhthing i needed to be successful. They asked for it, because its needed to be where we want to be. They know what we have and what others have they are competing with, its there job to recruit and know. that is not why cannizaro didnt get the job, that was the excuse....the real reason was that he would have more power and support among the alumns than the AD himself.



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HoustonWave wrote:
mbawavefan12 wrote:
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Dannen f**ked up. He owns this.

Agree with those who said this was an ego trip. Hiring Cannizaro or Riser was too obvious. He got cute, had to take a guy who was 100% his pick. Like one of those guys you know who never thinks an idea is good unless he came up with it himself.


I think thats a bit unfair. So far it looks bad but on paper it did make sense. Pierce had mentioned the obstacles in place for pricey academic oriented private schools like Tulane, that may have caught TDs attention too much. I think TD got enamored with the idea of hiring the top assistant/recruiter for what has been the best academically oriented private baseball program ober the last few years. Perhaps he made that choice without really considering the baseball side of things. Or just doesn't understand major college baseball.
Maybe a booster will step up if this thing really goes south, but i just don't see an AD firing a guy he just hired especially with Jewetts resume. I also don't see TU paying the buyout, hence the need for a big time booster to step in.


As I recall it, both Cannizaro and Riser made the fatal mistake of asking about resource commitments during their interviews with TD.


Yes I do remember that rumor. (Applying my tinfoil hat) I think TD was feeling the budget crunch with ticket sales and donations continuing to plummet all while he was getting more money for budgets and coaches yet producing the same results. The stadium was losing money, hence the horrific issues with concessions etc. only furthering the squeeze. He reacted with budgets in mind and not baseball, Jewett gave him the out that he knew how to make it work because he had done so at Vandy. In TD's mind, FBall and Bball matter 1000% more than baseball, which is generally correct. It the typical TU cut of your nose to spite your face. You have to spend to build. (Removes the hat).



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Re: Andy Cannizaro

Postby Show Me » Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:08 pm

Time to put this thread to bed. And yes Andy ain't never backtracking to Tulane.



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Postby tpstulane » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:12 pm

Andy has lost 7 pitchers due to injury so far this season. A bunch needed Tommy John surgery.
That's some tough cards to be dealt.


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Postby tpstulane » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:11 am

MIss St baseball won last 6 SEC games in a row. 6-3 in conf & 19-10 overall. Nice turnaround for Andy. Has their RPI all the way up to #21 after a road weekend sweep at arch rival Ole Miss. LSU hitters really feeling his loss about now.


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Re: Andy Cannizaro

Postby RollWaveRoll » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:28 am

mbawavefan12 wrote:
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Dannen f**ked up. He owns this.

Agree with those who said this was an ego trip. Hiring Cannizaro or Riser was too obvious. He got cute, had to take a guy who was 100% his pick. Like one of those guys you know who never thinks an idea is good unless he came up with it himself.


I think thats a bit unfair. So far it looks bad but on paper it did make sense. Pierce had mentioned the obstacles in place for pricey academic oriented private schools like Tulane, that may have caught TDs attention too much. I think TD got enamored with the idea of hiring the top assistant/recruiter for what has been the best academically oriented private baseball program ober the last few years. Perhaps he made that choice without really considering the baseball side of things. Or just doesn't understand major college baseball.
Maybe a booster will step up if this thing really goes south, but i just don't see an AD firing a guy he just hired especially with Jewetts resume. I also don't see TU paying the buyout, hence the need for a big time booster to step in.


As I recall it, both Cannizaro and Riser made the fatal mistake of asking about resource commitments during their interviews with TD.


Yes I do remember that rumor. (Applying my tinfoil hat) I think TD was feeling the budget crunch with ticket sales and donations continuing to plummet all while he was getting more money for budgets and coaches yet producing the same results. The stadium was losing money, hence the horrific issues with concessions etc. only furthering the squeeze. He reacted with budgets in mind and not baseball, Jewett gave him the out that he knew how to make it work because he had done so at Vandy. In TD's mind, FBall and Bball matter 1000% more than baseball, which is generally correct. It the typical TU cut of your nose to spite your face. You have to spend to build. (Removes the hat).


basketball does not matter more than baseball in the south. Baseball matters more and should be treated as such. I know our AD came from Iowa or indianna and its different up there, but he needs to get with program down here because he isnt up there anymore. LSU, MSU, Ole MIss, Southern Miss, ULL, tulane, and many many more, all of these school outdraw basketball by far and dump more money into baseball than basketball and there athletic departments treat it as such.



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Re: Andy Cannizaro

Postby Show Me » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:04 am

tpstulane wrote:MIss St baseball won last 6 SEC games in a row. 6-3 in conf & 19-10 overall. Nice turnaround for Andy. Has their RPI all the way up to #21 after a road weekend sweep at arch rival Ole Miss. LSU hitters really feeling his loss about now.

Riser has Southeastern playing well also. They are 18-10 and have an RPI of 37. Looks like both are living up to their credentials. Dannen's choice lagging the field.



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Postby McWave » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:33 pm

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The one thing all those basketball programs have is common......they lose a lot of games. The one thing all those baseball programs have in common....the win a lot of games. Flip the wins and losses an the interest will also slip. There is more $$$$ upside for basketball than baseball. Which has nothing to do with Andy C. I wish him the best. But don't follow MSU baseball.



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Postby DfromCT » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:40 pm

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basketball does not matter more than baseball in the south. Baseball matters more and should be treated as such. I know our AD came from Iowa or indianna and its different up there, but he needs to get with program down here because he isnt up there anymore. LSU, MSU, Ole MIss, Southern Miss, ULL, tulane, and many many more, all of these school outdraw basketball by far and dump more money into baseball than basketball and there athletic departments treat it as such.


This might be another top 10 ridiculous statement. I'm throwing the BS flag on this one!

Last I checked, college Basketball DWARFED college baseball in the states of NC, SC, GA, FL, KY, TN, and probably FL as well. Florida Gulf Coast University built a gym for the basketball team BEFORE they built an academic building! The teams you mention have been good in baseball and lousy (for the most part) in basketball for most of this century. That can change and quickly. With Alabama basketball on the upswing (and watch out for the Tide next winter, as the SEC pushes LSU further down the totem pole) you will probably be able to add AL to the list. And any school putting more $$ into baseball than basketball (which I REALLY question) is throwing away money. Very few sports fans follow college baseball nationally compared to basketball, and there's at least 10 if not 20x more TV money AND VIEWERS for college basketball than college baseball. Very few people nationally and even in the South will sit through an entire college baseball game. I bet there were years in the 80's-early 2000s that LaTech WOMENS basketball outdrew their baseball team. Look at how quickly Tulane's baseball attendance (actual) has fallen off the table. The empty seats at Turchin are quickly catching up to those at Devlin.


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Re: Andy Cannizaro

Postby BC Wave » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:14 pm

To be fair, there were probably years that La Tech women's basketball outdrew their football team!



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Postby tufinal4 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:19 pm

I get the point about attendance in baseball rivaling that of basketball at a lot of places, the ticket revenue is dwarfed by the money associated with making the NCAA basketball tourney. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought a unit was earned, good for 6 years, for each game played in the tourney. Revenue per unit is $1.6 million per year, again good for 6 years, for a total of $9.6 million. If you win a game, that doubles. If you win two, it triples. And that is just for one appearance in the tourney. Baseball's TV money is essentially zero.



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Postby DfromCT » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:35 pm

tufinal4 wrote:I get the point about attendance in baseball rivaling that of basketball at a lot of places, the ticket revenue is dwarfed by the money associated with making the NCAA basketball tourney. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought a unit was earned, good for 6 years, for each game played in the tourney. Revenue per unit is $1.6 million per year, again good for 6 years, for a total of $9.6 million. If you win a game, that doubles. If you win two, it triples. And that is just for one appearance in the tourney. Baseball's TV money is essentially zero.


So, in theory, making the Elite 8 three years in a row would have (for the three years of overlap) a windfall of $86.4 million/year. That's enough to motivate a University to do a whole lot to make sure the teams have the means and opportunity to succeed. Even if they have to share it with their conference mates, they still are making a whole lot of money for the University/Universities. That's above and beyond whatever TV money they're getting.


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tufinal4 wrote:I get the point about attendance in baseball rivaling that of basketball at a lot of places, the ticket revenue is dwarfed by the money associated with making the NCAA basketball tourney. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought a unit was earned, good for 6 years, for each game played in the tourney. Revenue per unit is $1.6 million per year, again good for 6 years, for a total of $9.6 million. If you win a game, that doubles. If you win two, it triples. And that is just for one appearance in the tourney. Baseball's TV money is essentially zero.


So, in theory, making the Elite 8 three years in a row would have (for the three years of overlap) a windfall of $86.4 million/year. That's enough to motivate a University to do a whole lot to make sure the teams have the means and opportunity to succeed. Even if they have to share it with their conference mates, they still are making a whole lot of money for the University/Universities. That's above and beyond whatever TV money they're getting.

That money usually goes to the conference, not the individual school. It then gets divvied up.

Here's a decent article about it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/sports/ncaa-money/


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Postby Aberzombie1892 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:07 pm

As a side note, a unit is worth $1.67M total, and that total is spread across six years (i.e. $260k a year for 6 years).



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Meanwhile the alum that everyone wanted...
http://www.hailstate.com/boxscore.aspx? ... h=baseball



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Please don't remind me how stupid we are.



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Postby Show Me » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:14 pm

sader24 wrote:Please don't remind me how stupid we are.

I'm sorry. I'll wait until Sat June 17 when Miss St opens up the CWS to remind everyone once again.



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sader24 wrote:Please don't remind me how stupid we are.
Oh, you think it hurts now. Wait 'til he takes the LSU job when Manieri leaves.


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Bored here waiting on the weather delay. Someone just sent me this:
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/spor ... 101535482/
What has made this season so compelling is that Mississippi State, which won the SEC last year but had 10 players sign MLB contracts, wasn’t expected to be this good. Certainly not before the season, when the Bulldogs were predicted to finish fourth in the SEC West. Definitely not during the early portion of the year, including when Arkansas swept them in the Bulldogs’ first SEC series. Even now, Mississippi State’s tendency to win games despite the odds stacking up against them — they own a higher team ERA (4.69) in conference games than their opponents (4.63), for example — continues to defy logic.


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Postby DfromCT » Sat May 13, 2017 9:03 am

I'm sure Andy would have the Wave at 33-10 and a lock to host a regional. Too bad it's a PIPEDREAM.


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DfromCT wrote:I'm sure Andy would have the Wave at 33-10 and a lock to host a regional. Too bad it's a PIPEDREAM.

He's getting massive overachievement at Miss St for sure.
I also heard Andy had a commit for the #1 pitcher in the country. Definitely a bad PIPEDREAM that may go on for years.


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Postby msdos » Sat May 13, 2017 9:47 am

It's not a pipe dream

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Postby winwave » Sun May 14, 2017 7:51 pm

When it comes to baseball Tulane will always have multiple qualified candidates for the job unlike the football and basketball jobs. Jewett may turn out to be a terrible hire or he may right the ship. Andy may or may not turn out to be a great coach over the long haul. The fact is he has lost to Marist and Morehead State. He got swept by Arkansas to start SEC play. He has only two series wins over SEC teams that have winning conference records. One was Kentucky at Miss. St.. Kentucky is prolific at home but so-so on the road. He also beat A&M. He just lost a series to a bad Georgia team. It's much too early to canonize him.


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Postby Bearwave » Mon May 15, 2017 6:56 am

Considering what he took over in mid fall, a team that lost 10 players to the draft and 7 returning pitchers out with injuries for the year I'd say he's coached his ass off to get to this point.


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Postby tpstulane » Mon May 15, 2017 6:56 am

Bottom line our Tulane baseball grads that were passed on:
Andy has Miss St at #25 RPI
Matt has SELA at #27 RPI
http://warrennolan.com/baseball/2017/rpi-live


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