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Postby Jaxwave » Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:53 am

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golfnut69 wrote:Under the present recruiting / scholarship stacking restrictions, self imposed by the Tulane Board, we will never again see Omaha, unless you are traveling there for a good steak....Regional's are within grasp, but getting to a super regional is a real reach....simply because Tulane will never have enuff two way players ( Pitchers who can play a position, to free up space for additional Pitchers)


And what none of us know is how the discussions behind closed doors went about scholarship stacking and other issues. Perhaps Canizzaro and Riser demanded that they be able to stack any and all scholarship money to level the field, Dannen went to Fitts and Fitts and the BOA said "no". I'm not saying this happened, but if it did, Dannen is taking a lot of heat from those loyal to Canizzaro and Riser when they really negotiated out of consideration themselves.

Many here are quick to say the Jewett hire was an ego play by Dannen. I'd like to know how they can state that as fact without psychological knowledge or being in the meetings behind closed doors?


If AC and MR asked for this and were turned down it's even more of a reason for fans to hang it up. I saw someone on YOGWF talking about how Tulane was a bad fit for AC bc of the self imposed restrictions and exorbitant tuition and how hard it made recruiting. If we are a bad fit for the best up and coming coach in the country who was also the best player in Tulane History then maybe we should just give it all up. We can't even hire one of our own who is a star in the making bc we are so internally screwed up. That's what you are suggesting correct?? That IMO would be even more damning than Dannen making an ego hire bc it would mean the University as a whole still refuses to help Athletics win even a Tulane grad is going to be at the helm.


You are 100% correct Sader and I've got to say it's unfortunately very believable based on history. When it comes to supporting Tulane athletics I have become a Missourian, show me, before I put a penny into their coffers.



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Postby BC Wave » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:42 am

Honest questions:

What would Tulane have to do to show you?

How many pennies would you then put in their coffers?

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Postby tpstulane » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:19 pm

Nice insight from Hall of Fame Coach Rick Jones on Andy's days at Tulane during our 2001 Super Regional win over LSU.
http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/ ... 8e918.html
It was Gautreau who began talking, right? He was sure it was Gautreau who delivered that motivational, pick-me-up speech, the one that preceded Tulane’s consecutive victories in that super regional to topple LSU.

Ten years after that speech, Jones learned, from Gautreau, that it was, after all, not Gautreau.

“Coach, I got to tell you something,” Jones said Gautreau told him in 2011. “I didn’t say anything that night. Andy did the talking.”


Cannizaro grew up swaddled in green and white — not purple and gold, like many Louisiana babies. His father, in fact, was an assistant at Tulane, and he sometimes traveled on road trips with the team. In the summers, he lingered around the park.

He was Tulane all the way.


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Postby sader24 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:11 pm

BC Wave wrote:Honest questions:

What would Tulane have to do to show you?

How many pennies would you then put in their coffers?

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Postby tpstulane » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:32 pm

Lsu comes back in the 8th and wins game one 4-3 their 15th straight win. Incredibly hot and talented team.
Both times we went to Omaha we lost the first game. Andy's been here before he will have them ready. Bet he's talking about '01 right now.


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Postby Jaxwave » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:12 am

sader24 wrote:
BC Wave wrote:Honest questions:

What would Tulane have to do to show you?

How many pennies would you then put in their coffers?

Thanks


Win something that matters.


Biggest thing for me would be allowing all Tulane coaches to recruit the same players as the rest of the NCAA. Then it would be open I g up the purse strings to allow national recruiting like Stanford and Duke.



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Postby winwave » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:31 am

Jax- as far as letting players in that all others can Tulane changed that at the beginning of the CJ error and they do now allow those players to be signed. They also put in at least 4 athlete friendly majors that many of those schools had. As for the recruiting budget it definitely needs to be increased.


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Postby tpstulane » Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:27 pm

winwave wrote:Jax- as far as letting players in that all others can Tulane changed that at the beginning of the CJ error and they do now allow those players to be signed. They also put in at least 4 athlete friendly majors that many of those schools had. As for the recruiting budget it definitely needs to be increased.

Once again Smoke and Mirrors by Tulane pretending to do something. The majors don't help where the help is needed. The years most student athletes are likely to flunk out are Freshman and Sophomores years. How many Tulane student athletes flunk out Jr or Sr year? Probably less than 1% if that. Those first two years each student athlete must take the standard Tulane curriculum having zero to do with any major. So unless they make it through that (those first 2 years) that so called "athletic friendly majors" their Jr year won't matter. They need help Freshman Year and they don't get it then.
Winwave not looking for another argument just want people to understand what that BS "athletic friendly major" is really about.
You could have 50 athletic friendly majors and It wouldn't save one Freshman from flunking out.


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Postby winwave » Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:40 pm

It's not BS. They allow NCAA qualifiers in and they put the majors in so they can make it. We haven't had that many freshman flunk out. If we did please name them. We have had players kicked out for being involved in crime and other behavior since the change but we haven't had an inordinate amount flunk out as freshman. The real reasons for our lack of recruiting at this point are our long history of losing and our lack of facilities.


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Postby Show Me » Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:42 pm

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winwave wrote:Jax- as far as letting players in that all others can Tulane changed that at the beginning of the CJ error and they do now allow those players to be signed. They also put in at least 4 athlete friendly majors that many of those schools had. As for the recruiting budget it definitely needs to be increased.

Once again Smoke and Mirrors by Tulane pretending to do something. The majors don't help where the help is needed. The years most student athletes are likely to flunk out are Freshman and Sophomores years. How many Tulane student athletes flunk out Jr or Sr year? Probably less than 1% if that. Those first two years each student athlete must take the standard Tulane curriculum having zero to do with any major. So unless they make it through that (those first 2 years) that so called "athletic friendly majors" their Jr year won't matter. They need help Freshman Year and they don't get it then.
Winwave not looking for another argument just want people to understand what that BS "athletic friendly major" is really about.
You could have 50 athletic friendly majors and It wouldn't save one Freshman from flunking out.

Thanks. That makes sense. CJ tried recruiting the public schools but not many made it through to graduate.



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Postby tpstulane » Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:44 pm

winwave wrote:It's not BS. They allow NCAA qualifiers in and they put the majors in so they can make it. We haven't had that many freshman flunk out. If we did please name them. We have had players kicked out for being involved in crime and other behavior since the change but we haven't had an inordinate amount flunk out as freshman. The real reasons for our lack of recruiting at this point are our long history of losing and our lack of facilities.

Yes they allow NCAA Qualifiers. That's another subject.
I stand by my post. Let people judge for themselves. Majors don't kick in until Year 3.
I'm not going to change your mind. It's out here for everyone else. Go argue with someone else. I'm done wasting time.


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Postby MicMan » Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:49 pm

I think that recently Jordan Gross took a year off-roster to restore eligibility. He was drafted by the Red Sox out of high school.



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Postby winwave » Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:49 pm

Just provide the list of those that FLUNKED OUT. You don't rule the Tulane world. Just b/c you say something doesn't make it true. Most of the players that didn't make it through were kicked out for behavioral issues not b//c they flunked out.


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Postby tpstulane » Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:20 pm

Rain delay in BR 8:35 first pitch for now.


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Postby McWave » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:52 pm

It's been a while since I graduated from Tulane but tell me which frosh or soph classes you thought were difficult? English 101-02, finite math (probability), etc. Tulane still offers study hall with tutors? Prior test bank? Usefull with lazy profs. Summer school is still available for smaller fall/spring class load? University college is still available? I didn't attend university college but I understand the curriculum and majors were different. Maybe Show Me can answer this one? TPS can elaborate on the athletic academic assistance I am sure.

Now biomechanics majors (big country, sothard, Matt riser, not me) I get it. Mass communications, sociology, etc. you flunk out....you have issues. Especially if you try. Now you party every night....maybe. But still hard to due.

And yes, who flunked out due to grades when they put in the effort?



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Postby tpstulane » Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:26 am

Andy's first magical season comes to end in the BR Super Regional 14-4. LSU could beat the Yankees right now as they win their 16th in a row.


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Postby Wave755 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:57 pm

Whew, I am sure glad we didn't hire that Cannizaro guy, he is a real loser, did you see how badly his Miss. St. team lost to LSU last night, or was it this morning?

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McWave wrote:It's been a while since I graduated from Tulane but tell me which frosh or soph classes you thought were difficult? English 101-02, finite math (probability), etc. Tulane still offers study hall with tutors? Prior test bank? Usefull with lazy profs. Summer school is still available for smaller fall/spring class load? University college is still available? I didn't attend university college but I understand the curriculum and majors were different. Maybe Show Me can answer this one? TPS can elaborate on the athletic academic assistance I am sure.

Now biomechanics majors (big country, sothard, Matt riser, not me) I get it. Mass communications, sociology, etc. you flunk out....you have issues. Especially if you try. Now you party every night....maybe. But still hard to due.

And yes, who flunked out due to grades when they put in the effort?

We're talking about New Orleans Public Schools. Players don't flunk out, they drop out. "Flunked Out" is politically incorrect term these days and you won't hear that from Tulane. The SA's get "Incomplete's". Which occur on the field and in the classroom. Not everyone is as smart as you and I. Student Privacy Law prohibits the release of names. Call it what you want.



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High praise for Cannizaro from Rooker. He says Cannizzaro will lead that program to multiple national championships.
Not bashing Jewett, just stating the facts, our players didn't feel the same about him.



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Postby Profoundwizard » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:29 pm

winwave wrote:In case anybody was wondering he got swept at home by an LSwho team that all here have agreed isn't up to par w/past LSU teams.


Still think they aren't up to par?



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They weren't at the time of that post.


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Postby Wavetime » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:20 am

Happy Fathers Day to all of the dads out there!!

Well, the season has been completed now for several weeks and I still am extremely disappointed about this year as all of us are. We missed the boat on AC and I do think that ship has sailed.....unless all the stars fall into place and and we get a gift from the Gods with many 000's behind it...

Let me share a similar true story that is very close to home. My brother was the VP of a fortune 20 company for many years. That company changed CEO's and let's just say that the new management style was a bit different. My brother's boss (Sr. VP/Division Head/Board Member) decided that he didn't want to go through the change and retired. The logical next step for my brother was the Sr. VP/Division Head and I'm sure with time he would have been appointed to the board. The new CEO promoted him on an interim basis. When the year was up, the sales and profits increased by double digits and the other numbers such as retention etc. were up also. Well, when it came time to get the job full-time the new CEO started looking for someone else secretly. My brother of course found out about this and approached the CEO. The CEO admitted to the search and when asked why, his words were "you're not my guy"! It took my brother all of 2 weeks to select a job from his many offers. Several years after this happened the new CEO was out. The newest CEO seeked out my brother and not only offered him the job, but the financial package was a pretty significant increase from what it was just 3 years earlier. My brother's answer was "thank you, however I'm declining your offer". When asked why by the newest CEO, his answer was "you can't afford me"! It's now been several years since this offer took place and my brother has since left that other job and opened up his own company. Let's just say that everything worked out much better than anticipated for him. Looking back, if the new CEO had offered my brother the job (he had grown up the with company and had a tenure of 17 years at the time), he just may still be there.

So, I wish AC all the best and I have no doubt in my mind that he will be successful.

For me, it's time to move on - sigh! This was a tough one to take. I was a teenager when we didn't hire Lindy Infante and in my early 30's when we turned down RR. I truly hope that Jewitt can right the ship, and with the sheer volume of recruits that are coming in, he will definitely have his chance. So here's to you Jewitt, I'm all in. Let's go win some games and get back to where we belong!!!!!



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Postby golfnut69 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:13 am

I agree...time to move on...Andy, Riser and Jake are never coming back to Tulane...let's be honest, why the hell would they !!!!


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Postby msdos » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:04 am

Wavetime wrote:Happy Fathers Day to all of the dads out there!!

Well, the season has been completed now for several weeks and I still am extremely disappointed about this year as all of us are. We missed the boat on AC and I do think that ship has sailed.....unless all the stars fall into place and and we get a gift from the Gods with many 000's behind it...

Let me share a similar true story that is very close to home. My brother was the VP of a fortune 20 company for many years. That company changed CEO's and let's just say that the new management style was a bit different. My brother's boss (Sr. VP/Division Head/Board Member) decided that he didn't want to go through the change and retired. The logical next step for my brother was the Sr. VP/Division Head and I'm sure with time he would have been appointed to the board. The new CEO promoted him on an interim basis. When the year was up, the sales and profits increased by double digits and the other numbers such as retention etc. were up also. Well, when it came time to get the job full-time the new CEO started looking for someone else secretly. My brother of course found out about this and approached the CEO. The CEO admitted to the search and when asked why, his words were "you're not my guy"! It took my brother all of 2 weeks to select a job from his many offers. Several years after this happened the new CEO was out. The newest CEO seeked out my brother and not only offered him the job, but the financial package was a pretty significant increase from what it was just 3 years earlier. My brother's answer was "thank you, however I'm declining your offer". When asked why by the newest CEO, his answer was "you can't afford me"! It's now been several years since this offer took place and my brother has since left that other job and opened up his own company. Let's just say that everything worked out much better than anticipated for him. Looking back, if the new CEO had offered my brother the job (he had grown up the with company and had a tenure of 17 years at the time), he just may still be there.

So, I wish AC all the best and I have no doubt in my mind that he will be successful.

For me, it's time to move on - sigh! This was a tough one to take. I was a teenager when we didn't hire Lindy Infante and in my early 30's when we turned down RR. I truly hope that Jewitt can right the ship, and with the sheer volume of recruits that are coming in, he will definitely have his chance. So here's to you Jewitt, I'm all in. Let's go win some games and get back to where we belong!!!!!


This is exactly why Dannen is the worst thing to happen to Tulane Baseball.

Andy will go and win an SEC championship and probably a CWS in his time at Miss. St. If we want him after our little Napoleon is gone? Well, we won't be able to afford him!



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Postby RollWaveRoll » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:18 am

msdos wrote:
Wavetime wrote:Happy Fathers Day to all of the dads out there!!

Well, the season has been completed now for several weeks and I still am extremely disappointed about this year as all of us are. We missed the boat on AC and I do think that ship has sailed.....unless all the stars fall into place and and we get a gift from the Gods with many 000's behind it...

Let me share a similar true story that is very close to home. My brother was the VP of a fortune 20 company for many years. That company changed CEO's and let's just say that the new management style was a bit different. My brother's boss (Sr. VP/Division Head/Board Member) decided that he didn't want to go through the change and retired. The logical next step for my brother was the Sr. VP/Division Head and I'm sure with time he would have been appointed to the board. The new CEO promoted him on an interim basis. When the year was up, the sales and profits increased by double digits and the other numbers such as retention etc. were up also. Well, when it came time to get the job full-time the new CEO started looking for someone else secretly. My brother of course found out about this and approached the CEO. The CEO admitted to the search and when asked why, his words were "you're not my guy"! It took my brother all of 2 weeks to select a job from his many offers. Several years after this happened the new CEO was out. The newest CEO seeked out my brother and not only offered him the job, but the financial package was a pretty significant increase from what it was just 3 years earlier. My brother's answer was "thank you, however I'm declining your offer". When asked why by the newest CEO, his answer was "you can't afford me"! It's now been several years since this offer took place and my brother has since left that other job and opened up his own company. Let's just say that everything worked out much better than anticipated for him. Looking back, if the new CEO had offered my brother the job (he had grown up the with company and had a tenure of 17 years at the time), he just may still be there.

So, I wish AC all the best and I have no doubt in my mind that he will be successful.

For me, it's time to move on - sigh! This was a tough one to take. I was a teenager when we didn't hire Lindy Infante and in my early 30's when we turned down RR. I truly hope that Jewitt can right the ship, and with the sheer volume of recruits that are coming in, he will definitely have his chance. So here's to you Jewitt, I'm all in. Let's go win some games and get back to where we belong!!!!!


This is exactly why Dannen is the worst thing to happen to Tulane Baseball.

Andy will go and win an SEC championship and probably a CWS in his time at Miss. St. If we want him after our little Napoleon is gone? Well, we won't be able to afford him!


Exactly what i thought about Dannen when i read the story. Its a shame and so sad Dannen is slashing the baseball budget and ruining our only top 25 program and making it like all of our others. Can we hire Rick Jones for AD? Just like MSU hired Cohen. Football should be our enterprise but baseball is our brand. Always has been and is the case for all the schools in the south. But for some reason we find the one AD who is trying to destroy our brand and baseball to make basketball our brand because hes from iowa. so sad



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