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Or lack thereof:

http://www.thecourierexpress.com/sports ... ec96b.html
Brutal injuries. I’d add that his former AD who left for Texas was very baseball friendly. Not sure this new AD feels the same way. As a private school support from your administration is key.
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Was in Waco since Friday morning and saw the first two games against the Bears. This TCU team is not very good, they were 1 hit Friday night. Baylor is having a bad season also, I thought Steve Rodriguez was going to be able to get them very competitive but they still have a long way to go.
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tpstulane wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:03 am
winwave wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:44 am
Or lack thereof:

http://www.thecourierexpress.com/sports ... ec96b.html
Brutal injuries. I’d add that his former AD who left for Texas was very baseball friendly. Not sure this new AD feels the same way. As a private school support from your administration is key.
An AD doesn't take away financial support that the school is giving. It's not coming out of his budget. What he's saying there is that it's tough at private schools and there are obstacles to overcome. He has worked hard to overcome them but has been hit with injuries this year.
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Unless the scholarship rules change, we won’t see high tuition private schools competing for championships very often. Has nothing to do with coaching. Few parents will pay the difference in tuition between the privates and public universities.
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winwave wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:06 am
tpstulane wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:03 am
winwave wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:44 am
Or lack thereof:

http://www.thecourierexpress.com/sports ... ec96b.html
Brutal injuries. I’d add that his former AD who left for Texas was very baseball friendly. Not sure this new AD feels the same way. As a private school support from your administration is key.
An AD doesn't take away financial support that the school is giving. It's not coming out of his budget. What he's saying there is that it's tough at private schools and there are obstacles to overcome. He has worked hard to overcome them but has been hit with injuries this year.
I’m not saying that. Just saying the former AD gave him a big budget and everything to be successful and went to bat for him with the admission and administration. Not so sure about his new AD.
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Jaxwave wrote:
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Unless the scholarship rules change, we won’t see high tuition private schools competing for championships very often. Has nothing to do with coaching. Few parents will pay the difference in tuition between the privates and public universities.
TCU and Vandy compete for national championships pretty much every year
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Profoundwizard wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:51 am
Jaxwave wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:16 am
Unless the scholarship rules change, we won’t see high tuition private schools competing for championships very often. Has nothing to do with coaching. Few parents will pay the difference in tuition between the privates and public universities.
TCU and Vandy compete for national championships pretty much every year
Vanderbilt is one of the wealthiest schools in the US.

TCU, even with its P5 money (but inability to meet 100% of need), may just now be starting to face the issues that Tulane started to face over the last few seasons.
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Aberzombie1892 wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:56 am
Profoundwizard wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:51 am
Jaxwave wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:16 am
Unless the scholarship rules change, we won’t see high tuition private schools competing for championships very often. Has nothing to do with coaching. Few parents will pay the difference in tuition between the privates and public universities.
TCU and Vandy compete for national championships pretty much every year
Vanderbilt is one of the wealthiest schools in the US.

TCU, even with its P5 money (but inability to meet 100% of need), may just now be starting to face the issues that Tulane started to face over the last few seasons.
Why would they just now be starting to face the issues that Tulane has been facing? The rules have not changed recently.
What they’re actually facing is an injury riddled season. They made the CWS 4 years in a row coming into this season.
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tpstulane wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:19 am
winwave wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:06 am
tpstulane wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:03 am
winwave wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:44 am
Or lack thereof:

http://www.thecourierexpress.com/sports ... ec96b.html
Brutal injuries. I’d add that his former AD who left for Texas was very baseball friendly. Not sure this new AD feels the same way. As a private school support from your administration is key.
An AD doesn't take away financial support that the school is giving. It's not coming out of his budget. What he's saying there is that it's tough at private schools and there are obstacles to overcome. He has worked hard to overcome them but has been hit with injuries this year.
I’m not saying that. Just saying the former AD gave him a big budget and everything to be successful and went to bat for him with the admission and administration. Not so sure about his new AD.
Financial aid doesn't come from the athletic budget. it comes from the school. By NCAA rule athletes can't get something aid wise that others can't. You were misinformed.. Plain and simple. You need to learn to vet what certain people tell you.
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But if you have an AD that supports your baseball program to the extent that TCU's former AD did, guess what? They "FIND A WAY" to make it happen. What's changed is the AD, not the rules.
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The new AD was just promoted in December of 2017. He has worked as a fundraiser there since 2011. He raised money for their baseball stadium improvements. He has had no impact on the situation. NONE. It is a farce to suggest otherwise. TCU has the same problem as many other privates do . Always has and always will. The coach needs to work his butt off to deal with it.
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The new AD was just hired in December of 2017. He has worked as a fundraiser there since 2011. He raised money for their baseball stadium improvements. He has had no impact on the situation. NONE. It is a farce to suggest otherwise. TCU has the same problem as many other privates do . Always has and always will. The coach needs to work his butt off to deal with it.
Where did I say that?
Fundraising a different skill.
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I was responding to D there but you said in your post above that the new AD may not be giving the same support. As I said he just took over as AD on 12-11-17. So he clearly had no impact whatsoever on this years team.

Yes fundraising is a different skill but it's not like they hired someone from the outside. Furthermore the financial aid comes for the administrative side of the school. No AD is going to say " oh no, don't bother sending that aid over here." Just not going to happen.
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DfromCT wrote:
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But if you have an AD that supports your baseball program to the extent that TCU's former AD did, guess what? They "FIND A WAY" to make it happen. What's changed is the AD, not the rules.
It's more complicated than that and we all know it.

Relevant issues at play for Tulane:
1. 11.7 Scholarship limitation
2. $54,820k tuition and fees this year (2018-2019) and its impact on the quantity and quality of walk ons (Tulane's tuition was $23k back in 2004-2005 when Tulane finished in the top 10 nationally and incomes certainly have not increased remotely near that much in order to account for that)
3. A medical school that consumes 1/3 of the proceeds of the endowment
4. An increased emphasis on the academic side of undergraduate school
5. No P5 money
6. Small enrollment and its impact on the quantity and quality of walk ons
7. Small endowment compared to programs that are always compared to Tulane (i.e. Rice, Vanderbilt, and Duke).
8. A high profile emphasis on using available scholarships for merit scholarships over need scholarships (this is for the sake of the rankings, but still).
9. A relative lack of quality, in state students interested in attending Tulane and interested in paying full price or anything close to it (this is huge compared to schools like SMU/TCU/Baylor). This is more reflective of the academic achievements, population and incomes of the people of Louisiana versus Texas more than anything else, but it is what it is.

That's where Tulane is. Basically, there is no one factor that sets it apart - it's a wide range of factors with each one having a certain amount of impact on the program. I believe that there was a rule change recently that may have negatively impacted Tulane, but I'm not familiar with such things so someone else may know details.
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