Re: Melvin Frazier now projected 1st round pick
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:59 am
Melvin Frazier “steal of the draft”
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I think y'all are correct that Frazier could use another year of strength and conditioning but the NBA loves having tall lanky people like Frazier. His game and frame reminds me of Brandon Ingram. Regardless, any NBA strength and conditioning program is going to be light years ahead of what he can get at Tulane. I hope he stays, but I'm not going to hold my breath.IM42lane wrote:Thank you for pointing that out. Frazier needs another year to get stronger . There are BIG/HUGE bodies that run in the NBA. Frazier needs to CAREFULLY put on at least another 15-20 pounds of muscle before his body can withstand the pounding that goes on in the pros.DfromCT wrote: I'm no expert. But it seems to me he got hurt on a clean play by a player that's not as big as most NBA players , fighting through a pick. Another year of growth and filling out his body to his frame would do him well .
As I've said elsewhere in this thread, I think the smart route would be to NOT sign an agent until after the draft, if he goes in the first round.
I don’t think Frazier had ever missed a game due to injury until now. I think you’re overplaying his need to get stronger. And as others have mentioned he can get stronger in the NBA. He will improve more if he spends next year in the NBA than if he spends it at Tulane. For our sake, I’d like to see him back but I understand that it’s not necessarily what is best for him.IM42lane wrote:Thank you for pointing that out. Frazier needs another year to get stronger . There are BIG/HUGE bodies that run in the NBA. Frazier needs to CAREFULLY put on at least another 15-20 pounds of muscle before his body can withstand the pounding that goes on in the pros.DfromCT wrote: I'm no expert. But it seems to me he got hurt on a clean play by a player that's not as big as most NBA players , fighting through a pick. Another year of growth and filling out his body to his frame would do him well .
As I've said elsewhere in this thread, I think the smart route would be to NOT sign an agent until after the draft, if he goes in the first round.
If he succeeds and stays with the NBA team that drafts him. There's no shortage of late first round and second round picks that never made it out of the NBA D-League. I just don't know that he's ready. Dunleavy knows better than any of those experts the project mock drafts or post on the boards like us. He'll steer him right, I just hope he listens to Coach Dunleavy and not to some agent or "draft expert."Show Me wrote:Frazier is only going to get better by playing against better competition (the NBA). He’s going to be a better pro because he’ll be surrounded by better players on his team. His game is perfect for the NBA. His wing spam of 7’2” is incredible for a 6’6”guy. At Tulane next year he’ll get a lot guys just trying to stop mainly him. In the NBA he will be able to flourish. Besides that there’s a couple of other “million” reasons why he won’t be back at Tulane next year.
Has Tulane had any first round NBA picks other than John Williams? What round did "The Cutt" go in? Johnny Arthurs? Phil Hicks? anyone else?tpstulane wrote:Melvin hints at going pro in his latest tweet.
https://twitter.com/melvinjrrr/status/9 ... 6965152768
Tulane has never had a 1st round basketball pick.HoustonWave wrote:Has Tulane had any first round NBA picks other than John Williams? What round did "The Cutt" go in? Johnny Arthurs? Phil Hicks? anyone else?tpstulane wrote:Melvin hints at going pro in his latest tweet.
https://twitter.com/melvinjrrr/status/9 ... 6965152768
Linton Johnson was pretty much a minimal sub under Shawn Finney and he ended up in the NBA. It's more proof of how coaching matters. Frazier is not an NBA pick under the previous administration.tpstulane wrote:Tulane has never had a 1st round basketball pick.HoustonWave wrote:Has Tulane had any first round NBA picks other than John Williams? What round did "The Cutt" go in? Johnny Arthurs? Phil Hicks? anyone else?tpstulane wrote:Melvin hints at going pro in his latest tweet.
https://twitter.com/melvinjrrr/status/9 ... 6965152768
Hot Rod went 2nd round #45 overall to the Cavs.
Cutt went 2nd round #38, Arthurs 6th round both to the Milwaukee Bucks. Hicks remains the highest he was 2nd round #27 overall. Linton Johnson went undrafted but had a nice NBA career.
tpstulane wrote:Tulane has never had a 1st round basketball pick.HoustonWave wrote:Has Tulane had any first round NBA picks other than John Williams? What round did "The Cutt" go in? Johnny Arthurs? Phil Hicks? anyone else?tpstulane wrote:Melvin hints at going pro in his latest tweet.
https://twitter.com/melvinjrrr/status/9 ... 6965152768
Hot Rod went 2nd round #45 overall to the Cavs.
Cutt went 2nd round #38, Arthurs 6th round both to the Milwaukee Bucks. Hicks remains the highest he was 2nd round #27 overall to Houston. Linton Johnson went undrafted but had a nice NBA career.
Yes. With expansion since that period. But it’s still 2nd round (10th player in that round selected). Using that same logic Arthurs wouldn’t have been drafted in 2018 since there are only 2 rounds. What’s really impressive is that Melvin is going to be one of only 60 players in all of eligible amateur basketball that will be drafted.swampnik wrote:tpstulane wrote:Tulane has never had a 1st round basketball pick.HoustonWave wrote:Has Tulane had any first round NBA picks other than John Williams? What round did "The Cutt" go in? Johnny Arthurs? Phil Hicks? anyone else?tpstulane wrote:Melvin hints at going pro in his latest tweet.
https://twitter.com/melvinjrrr/status/9 ... 6965152768
Hot Rod went 2nd round #45 overall to the Cavs.
Cutt went 2nd round #38, Arthurs 6th round both to the Milwaukee Bucks. Hicks remains the highest he was 2nd round #27 overall to Houston. Linton Johnson went undrafted but had a nice NBA career.
No. 27 in th draft would be 1st Round in 2018 for Hicks.
I don't know what they could have possibly said. it was basically a basketball clinic put on by Cincinnati. Tulane looked like the Harlem globe trotters "opponent "DfromCT wrote:Here's how I understand it, and how it was discussed during the broadcast: If he doesn't hire an agent, he can be included in the draft and still come back if he doesn't like where he's drafted (or goes undrafted.) FWIW, the announcers talked about Frasier very little compared to their gushing about the Bearcats.
Agree with most of your take there. However it only helps Tulane if he is a first round pick and becomes a starter or gets consistent meaningful minutes every game as a rookie. If he goes in the second or doesn't get drafted it doesn't help us at all. I know MD is very confident in himself but the players we are recruiting don't know anything about him and he probably barely registers with their parents. He really needs a reality check on this most important issue and he needs to hire at least one recruiter to this staff.mbawavefan12 wrote:Just an FYI, the way I understand the situation is that you can attend the draft combine in late May and have two weeks (after the combine) to determine whether you want to stay in the draft. However, if you hire an agent at any point you must stay in the draft (which is criminal IMPOV).
So if Frazier hires an agent he is obviously gone. I hope he avoids hiring an agent and tests things both for his own and Tulane's benefit. If I had a guess, he is almost certainly leaving no matter if he is a late first round pick or second rounder. This is obviously a good and bad result for Tulane. With Frazier we could compete for the upper half of the league next year. Of course if he leaves it gives MD a pretty good chip to play with recruits but may set us back as the roster is very young.
I don't know if it stinks or not . Research shows we beat out nc greensboro, Hofstra and Stetson for another wing and a 6-8 180 pound forward that would have suffered the same fate as out other forwards against those animals last night. The recruiting will have to elevateDfromCT wrote:Why does the media keep saying Mike Dunleavy is bringing in a talented class and posters here keep saying his recruiting stinks?
Nice stat but meaningless. Only first rounders get guaranteed money. Second round means nothing. Unless he goes thru their combine and they tell him he's a first round pick he should come back. He was extremely raw when he got here. He had been a center in HS for the most part. His game needs a lot of work and we've seen MD develop him and know he can benefit from more of the same. The bottom line is people are way ahead of themselves at this point. These are mock drafts. The NBA scouts will be the determining factor.tpstulane wrote:Here’s something to consider: There’s 18,684 NCAA eligible players for the draft but only 60 total will be drafted and only 44 from the NCAA. Needless to say he’s going pro if he’s one of the 44.
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Not sure what media you're talking about. if it's people calling our games they are saying what they need to to promote their product. Locally the press pretty much hasn't said much on it. Last years class was two projects. We got lucky with Daniels b/c of his injury situation. This years class looks better than that and we are supposed to add a shooter who they can't name b/c they have to wait till the April signing date. There just hasn't been a signing yet that has caught the fans or media's interest. Hopefully we start racking them up soon.DfromCT wrote:Why does the media keep saying Mike Dunleavy is bringing in a talented class and posters here keep saying his recruiting stinks?