Massey Composite Rankings Tulane and the AAC

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Tulane is number 73

AAC vs P5 vs G5

Massey Composite Football Rankings

Top 40 teams per conference

ACC 8
B10 8
SEC 7
PAC12 6
AAC 5
B12 4
MWC 1
CUSA 0
MAC 0
SBC 0

39 of the Top 40 is either P5 or the AAC. The G4 has but one representative combined. Are the G4 really the AAC’s peers?

But maybe the AAC is a top heavy league. Maybe there’s a bunch of AAC teams clustered at the bottom of the rankings? Let’s look at the Bottom 40 according to Massey’s composite rankings.

Bottom 40

SBC 10
CUSA 9
MAC 7
MWC 4
AAC 3
B12 2
B10 1
PAC12 1
SEC 1
ACC 0

Here the G4 claim 30 of the Bottom 40 slots. Again, are these the AAC’s peers?


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Mods feel free to merge, if needed...Tulane ranked ahead of many PEE teams, including the, (not naming the QB lead) Nebraska CornHuiskers

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This is way off topic, but Tulane is #68 in total offensive YPG (~408 ypg) at the moment. That's quite the improvement.

As a side note, the AAC has 5 teams in the top 13 in total offensive YPG in all of the NCAA (UCF, SMU, Navy, Memphis, and USF; all above 500 ypg).
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The AAC has four Top 30 teams in the composite. The AAC also has three Top 25 teams in the AP and coaches polls.

The number of the week for Tulane is #62 --- as in the 62 points they dropped on Tulsa and their composite ranking of #62 in the country.
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Aberzombie1892 wrote:This is way off topic, but Tulane is #68 in total offensive YPG (~408 ypg) at the moment. That's quite the improvement.

As a side note, the AAC has 5 teams in the top 13 in total offensive YPG in all of the NCAA (UCF, SMU, Navy, Memphis, and USF; all above 500 ypg).
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Also, I posted this thread last week.

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Sagarin has us @ 82. In AAC we are ranked above Temple 83, Tulsa 98, Cincinnati 100, E. Carolina 137 & UCONN 141.

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/
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Wave755 wrote:Sagarin has us @ 82. In AAC we are ranked above Temple 83, Tulsa 98, Cincinnati 100, E. Carolina 137 & UCONN 141.

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/
Interesting 10 schools ahead of Tulane:

81. Air Force
80. Boston College
79. Baylor
78. Army
77. Troy
76. South Dakota (FCS)
75. South Dakota State (FCS)
74. Youngstown State (FCS)
73. Appalachian State
72. SMU

Should pass quite a few with another win this week. But this ranking is bull****
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That's why the massey composite is a better ranking. It combines the Sagarin ranking with a bunch of others. I think its got over 70 different rankings it uses. Gives a better overall picture.
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Wave755 wrote:Sagarin has us @ 82. In AAC we are ranked above Temple 83, Tulsa 98, Cincinnati 100, E. Carolina 137 & UCONN 141.

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/
Interesting rankings. Has Army about 5 or so spots above us. So according to the computers, they're a middle of the pack team. But what really stood out is North Dakota State, currently #2 in FCS, is ranked 39th, where JMU, playing a tougher schedule to date and ranked #1 in FCS, is 70. Both are 5-0. Side note: JMU is getting ESPN College Game Day on campus for the second year in a row.
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So I was curious to see how the win over Army stacked up in the American. Jeez, the conference has been pretty shitty in OOC this year... really sucked having the GT and UTSA games cancelled. Anyway, the Army win ranks as the 4th best OOC win so far. Remaining games are in bold. Rankings are from Massey.

Cincinatti
(102) at Miami (OH)

East Carolina
(110) BYU

Temple
(126) UMass
(70) Army

UCF
(103) FIU
(44) at Maryland
----- (36) Georgia Tech --------- cancelled

UCONN
(101) Missouri
(71) Boston College


USF
(127) at San Jose State
(96) Illinois
(126) - Mass

Houston
(58) at Arizona
(125) Rice
-----(74) at UTSA------ cancelled

Memphis
(94) ULM
(49) UCLA
------(106) at Georgia State ------- cancelled

Navy
(76) at Florida Atlantic
(86) Air Force
(11) at Notre Dame
(70) Army

SMU
(78) North Texas
(92) Arkansas State

Tulane
(70) Army
(103) at FIU

Tulsa
(111) UL Lafayette
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Part of the problem is, more and more P5s are filling their OOC schedules with other P5s and low end G4/FCS. They're squeezing the AAC out. Same thing with the bowls. Several bowls that we used to have tie ins with that would have matched us against P5 schools dropped us and are now matching up two P5s instead.
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RobertM320 wrote:Part of the problem is, more and more P5s are filling their OOC schedules with other P5s and low end G4/FCS. They're squeezing the AAC out. Same thing with the bowls. Several bowls that we used to have tie ins with that would have matched us against P5 schools dropped us and are now matching up two P5s instead.
Yep. This past weekend Indiana rescheduled with Charleston Southern instead of USF. Georgia Tech was also off. You gotta think USF AD was trying to get one of those two.
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RobertM320 wrote:Part of the problem is, more and more P5s are filling their OOC schedules with other P5s and low end G4/FCS. They're squeezing the AAC out. Same thing with the bowls. Several bowls that we used to have tie ins with that would have matched us against P5 schools dropped us and are now matching up two P5s instead.
Yep. This past weekend Indiana rescheduled with Charleston Southern instead of USF. Georgia Tech was also off. You gotta think USF AD was trying to get one of those two.
Yeah, Indiana chickened out. But not so for Georgia Tech. UCF had a conference game with Cincy. While Georgia Tech would have been a higher profile game, when you are in a conference you don't want fewer conference games than your opponents. It would suck for UCF if they were 6-1 in the conference and USF were 7-1 in conference. Do the math. 7-1 is a better winning percentage than 6-1. So, really, there was nothing to do about the Georgia Tech game.

Bowl games are not as meaningless as we say. They do have meaning towards perception, and if we are going to ever be thought of as a legit P6 conference we have to start doing better (legit excuses or not) in Bowl games. At that point we will be able to put more national pressure on P5 schools to not chicken out against us.
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Robert1969 wrote:
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RobertM320 wrote:Part of the problem is, more and more P5s are filling their OOC schedules with other P5s and low end G4/FCS. They're squeezing the AAC out. Same thing with the bowls. Several bowls that we used to have tie ins with that would have matched us against P5 schools dropped us and are now matching up two P5s instead.
Yep. This past weekend Indiana rescheduled with Charleston Southern instead of USF. Georgia Tech was also off. You gotta think USF AD was trying to get one of those two.
Yeah, Indiana chickened out. But not so for Georgia Tech. UCF had a conference game with Cincy. While Georgia Tech would have been a higher profile game, when you are in a conference you don't want fewer conference games than your opponents. It would suck for UCF if they were 6-1 in the conference and USF were 7-1 in conference. Do the math. 7-1 is a better winning percentage than 6-1. So, really, there was nothing to do about the Georgia Tech game.

Bowl games are not as meaningless as we say. They do have meaning towards perception, and if we are going to ever be thought of as a legit P6 conference we have to start doing better (legit excuses or not) in Bowl games. At that point we will be able to put more national pressure on P5 schools to not chicken out against us.
I get all that. Just thought it would've been awesome had USF's AD been able to line up either Indiana or GT this last week. Would greatly improve perception of USF. Maybe Strong didn't want to play that many games without a break. Idk. Hurricane season really screwed over the AAC this year.
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RobertM320 wrote:Part of the problem is, more and more P5s are filling their OOC schedules with other P5s and low end G4/FCS. They're squeezing the AAC out. Same thing with the bowls. Several bowls that we used to have tie ins with that would have matched us against P5 schools dropped us and are now matching up two P5s instead.
The problem for them is that you get the AAC West with 5 winning programs halfway through the season. They are actually going to make us look better on accident.
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RobertM320 wrote:Part of the problem is, more and more P5s are filling their OOC schedules with other P5s and low end G4/FCS. They're squeezing the AAC out. Same thing with the bowls. Several bowls that we used to have tie ins with that would have matched us against P5 schools dropped us and are now matching up two P5s instead.
The problem for them is that you get the AAC West with 5 winning programs halfway through the season. They are actually going to make us look better on accident.
But will that matter if those AAC teams aren't in the top 25? It's borderline ridiculous that 4-1 Houston team with wins over 4-2 SMU and 3-2 Arizona did not receive a single vote in the AP poll, and the same is true that a 4-1 Navy and a 3-1 UCF wouldn't be ranked either.
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Not saying Houston shouldn't have received at least a vote but SMU and Arizona are not good teams. They would be in the average range.
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winwave wrote:Not saying Houston shouldn't have received at least a vote but SMU and Arizona are not good teams. They would be in the average range.
Well, saying that SMU is not a good team is like saying that Tulane is either a good team or a bad team. It's way to early in the season to make statements like that, but what someone can say is that Houston is 4-1 with its only loss to top 25 4-1 Texas Tech, and SMU is 4-2 with its only losses to 4-1 Houston and top 10 5-0 TCU.
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One can say it and I did. We are talking the teams as they are currently. Sorry but not impressed with wins against Stephen Austin, North Texas, Ark. St., and UCONN. I'm far from the only one not buying what you selling. Just spouting a teams record doesn't cut it. It matters who they have beaten. In this case no one. The two losses weren't close.
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winwave wrote:One can say it and I did. We are talking the teams as they are currently. Sorry but not impressed with wins against Stephen Austin, North Texas, Ark. St., and UCONN. I'm far from the only one not buying what you selling. Just spouting a teams record doesn't cut it. It matters who they have beaten. In this case no one. The two losses weren't close.
There is a difference between someone saying "Team X is not a good team" and someone saying "Team X has not proven that its a good team", as those two statements mean very different things.

A 4-2, with 21+ point margin victories in those 4 wins, FBS team with the teams that beat that FBS team having 9-1 W/L records -could- certainly be either a good team or a bad team. It's too soon to tell whether it is or is not. Sure, people can say that it's not, but that does not make it true.
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They have beaten no one. They are not a GOOD team.
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winwave wrote:They have beaten no one. They are not a GOOD team.
No, it just means they haven't had a team on their schedule to prove they're a good team. You can be a good team and still lose to a Top 10 and Top 25 team.
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RobertM320 wrote:
winwave wrote:They have beaten no one. They are not a GOOD team.
No, it just means they haven't had a team on their schedule to prove they're a good team. You can be a good team and still lose to a Top 10 and Top 25 team.

On the body of work they are not a good team. They have had two opportunities against teams some consider good and lost by 2 and 3 scores. TCU is top is in the top ten and Houston isn't even receiving votes. They have a productive offense but not much on D. To be a good team you have to have productive units in each phase.
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North Texas is about as good of a win as Army. They had a lead over Iowa late in the 3rf quarter and should probably be in the CUSA championship game.
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