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Re: Oklahoma Game Thread

Postby Show Me » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:34 pm

Houston went up to OU and beat them last year and they remained in the hunt for a possible playoff game until a late falloff.
Playing Oklahoma was great. Playing Ohio St will be great. The first Qtr “showed” you what we are capable of doing. If we beat Ohio St next year perhaps you’d feel differently.



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Re: Oklahoma Game Thread

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:42 pm

Show Me wrote:Houston went up to OU and beat them last year and they remained in the hunt for a possible playoff game until a late falloff.
Playing Oklahoma was great. Playing Ohio St will be great. The first Qtr “showed” you what we are capable of doing. If we beat Ohio St next year perhaps you’d feel differently.


Houston, as a football program, is in another league than Tulane. If this wasn't clear by the string of super successful coaches, the high coaching salaries, game attendance and the facilities, it was clear when Houston fired a coach that won 7 regular season games because that coach had not won enough. Houston expanded on that during the hiring process of Applewhite when it indicated that 8 wins should be the floor the program. In sharp contrast, Fritz could could win exactly 6 games every season (6-7 records) for 4+ seasons before his seat would even get close to warm, as Tulane has not had a string of successful coaches, does not pay super high salaries, has low attendance, and does not have great facilities.

The takeaway here is that the fact that two programs are both part of the G5 does not mean that they have the same minimum standards and measurements of success (i.e. Houston, Boise State, Navy, Tulsa, Cincinnati, etc.).



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Re: Oklahoma Game Thread

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Show Me wrote:Houston went up to OU and beat them last year and they remained in the hunt for a possible playoff game until a late falloff.
Playing Oklahoma was great. Playing Ohio St will be great. The first Qtr “showed” you what we are capable of doing. If we beat Ohio St next year perhaps you’d feel differently.


Houston, as a football program, is in another league than Tulane. If this wasn't clear by the string of super successful coaches, the high coaching salaries, game attendance and the facilities, it was clear when Houston fired a coach that won 7 regular season games because that coach had not won enough. Houston expanded on that during the hiring process of Applewhite when it indicated that 8 wins should be the floor the program. In sharp contrast, Fritz could could win exactly 6 games every season (6-7 records) for 4+ seasons before his seat would even get close to warm, as Tulane has not had a string of successful coaches, does not pay super high salaries, has low attendance, and does not have great facilities.

The takeaway here is that the fact that two programs are both part of the G5 does not mean that they have the same minimum standards and measurements of success (i.e. Houston, Boise State, Navy, Tulsa, Cincinnati, etc.).

Complete BS. We beat Houston in 2014 on the road. We’ll probably beat them again this year.



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Re: Oklahoma Game Thread

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:31 pm

Show Me wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:
Show Me wrote:Houston went up to OU and beat them last year and they remained in the hunt for a possible playoff game until a late falloff.
Playing Oklahoma was great. Playing Ohio St will be great. The first Qtr “showed” you what we are capable of doing. If we beat Ohio St next year perhaps you’d feel differently.


Houston, as a football program, is in another league than Tulane. If this wasn't clear by the string of super successful coaches, the high coaching salaries, game attendance and the facilities, it was clear when Houston fired a coach that won 7 regular season games because that coach had not won enough. Houston expanded on that during the hiring process of Applewhite when it indicated that 8 wins should be the floor the program. In sharp contrast, Fritz could could win exactly 6 games every season (6-7 records) for 4+ seasons before his seat would even get close to warm, as Tulane has not had a string of successful coaches, does not pay super high salaries, has low attendance, and does not have great facilities.

The takeaway here is that the fact that two programs are both part of the G5 does not mean that they have the same minimum standards and measurements of success (i.e. Houston, Boise State, Navy, Tulsa, Cincinnati, etc.).

Complete BS. We beat Houston in 2014 on the road. We’ll probably beat them again this year.


We can agree to disagree, but calling that "BS" is tall order without anything to refute it, and confidently saying that Tulane is going to beat Houston is being extremely optimistic at this point.



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Re: Oklahoma Game Thread

Postby RobertM320 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:43 pm

Every category is going to have its high and low end, P5, G5, FCS, etc. See below.

"The takeaway here is that the fact that two programs are both part of the P5 does not mean that they have the same minimum standards and measurements of success (Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, as compared to Indiana, Rutgers, Illinois)"


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Re: Oklahoma Game Thread

Postby DfromCT » Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:02 pm

Show Me wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:
Show Me wrote:Houston went up to OU and beat them last year and they remained in the hunt for a possible playoff game until a late falloff.
Playing Oklahoma was great. Playing Ohio St will be great. The first Qtr “showed” you what we are capable of doing. If we beat Ohio St next year perhaps you’d feel differently.


Houston, as a football program, is in another league than Tulane. If this wasn't clear by the string of super successful coaches, the high coaching salaries, game attendance and the facilities, it was clear when Houston fired a coach that won 7 regular season games because that coach had not won enough. Houston expanded on that during the hiring process of Applewhite when it indicated that 8 wins should be the floor the program. In sharp contrast, Fritz could could win exactly 6 games every season (6-7 records) for 4+ seasons before his seat would even get close to warm, as Tulane has not had a string of successful coaches, does not pay super high salaries, has low attendance, and does not have great facilities.

The takeaway here is that the fact that two programs are both part of the G5 does not mean that they have the same minimum standards and measurements of success (i.e. Houston, Boise State, Navy, Tulsa, Cincinnati, etc.).

Complete BS. We beat Houston in 2014 on the road. We’ll probably beat them again this year.


And not for nothing but we have a better coach than Major Applewhite, who will re-join the ranks of assistants in 3 years or less. It's not a given that Houston, Navy, Tulsa or Cincy beats us by any stretch of the imagination. Will we be underdogs? Hell yes. But we'll have a decent chance, certainly better than we did against OU.


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Re: Oklahoma Game Thread

Postby Ruski » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:20 pm

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Ruski wrote:Impossible to build a program when you're getting your teeth kicked in. Ole Miss and Georgia Tech are much better games than Oklahoma and Ohio State. No way the money we get is worth it. Tulane football badly needs some confidence. These games destroy confidence. Playing with Ole Miss to the wire would've added confidence. OU game is best forgotten. Stupid.


Rick Dickson scheduling at its finest. And he alienated a whole lot of HC's and AD's in the SEC in the process.


The Georgia Tech game was Dannen. Honestly GT is one of about 10 teams I wish we played every year. And they might cancel 2019 game too.

I wish we only scheduled the lesser ACC/Big12/SEC schools. Forget the Big10, even though there are lots of easy "P5" wins there. And Pac12 doesn't appeal to me at all.

If we could get a GT/Wake/Duke/NC/NCST AND a SEC East team every year I'd be thrilled!



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Re: Oklahoma Game Thread

Postby OUG » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:58 pm

Show Me wrote:Houston went up to OU and beat them last year and they remained in the hunt for a possible playoff game until a late falloff.
Playing Oklahoma was great. Playing Ohio St will be great. The first Qtr “showed” you what we are capable of doing. If we beat Ohio St next year perhaps you’d feel differently.


That Houston game was not at OU, it was in Houston; it was also the first week of the season; and Oklahoma is a lot better this year than last year, particularly on the defensive side of the ball but also on offense.

We don't have the personnel to compete for a full 60 minutes against these teams. That's not a reason not to play them though, but we should know what we're getting in to. That Houston team had the physicality to play with Oklahoma in the trenches AND also had a "special" type of playmaker in Ward. Still, this year's Oklahoma team beats that Houston team by two TDs at least in Norman.



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Re: Oklahoma Game Thread

Postby OUG » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:08 pm

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OUG wrote:These are scheduled in advance. We are getting OU at home down the road in exchange for getting our teeth kicked in this year. You have to view it in that context. Maybe in 2021 we will also suck, but maybe we won't. You want to give your program those targets.


I don't know why you'd do a three-game set with OU, even in advance. They are a factory program that will always be in the top 15 or so. They don't really have truly "down" years.

We lose 90 out of 100 games vs. OU by 21+ points. It's braindead scheduling.

The Ohio State game in 2018 is another mistake - Tulane should have used that road game to build another 2 for 1 with a P5.


I am not a huge fan of the Ohio State game, because it is a short term cash grab. But the 3-game OU series includes a home game which makes it financially compelling for us, even though we lose badly. We will sell that game out. It will drive season ticket sales for other games. It will be a big day on campus. It's great for recruiting to tell kids that they'll be able to play Oklahoma at home. And at the end of the day, it gives you a measuring stick as to how your team is growing in terms of its ability to compete.

Most teams in the AAC are making deals like that. There's nothing wrong with them. If you want to be a big football program someday you have to play big football programs.

We aren't talking about scheduling only blue blood programs, but one a year is not a problem as long as it is part of a comprehensive scheduling strategy.



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Re: Oklahoma Game Thread

Postby winwave » Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:40 pm

Ruski wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
Ruski wrote:Impossible to build a program when you're getting your teeth kicked in. Ole Miss and Georgia Tech are much better games than Oklahoma and Ohio State. No way the money we get is worth it. Tulane football badly needs some confidence. These games destroy confidence. Playing with Ole Miss to the wire would've added confidence. OU game is best forgotten. Stupid.


Rick Dickson scheduling at its finest. And he alienated a whole lot of HC's and AD's in the SEC in the process.


The Georgia Tech game was Dannen. Honestly GT is one of about 10 teams I wish we played every year. And they might cancel 2019 game too.

I wish we only scheduled the lesser ACC/Big12/SEC schools. Forget the Big10, even though there are lots of easy "P5" wins there. And Pac12 doesn't appeal to me at all.

If we could get a GT/Wake/Duke/NC/NCST AND a SEC East team every year I'd be thrilled!


I get that that my do it for you but for most of or fans that actually attend games it wouldn't move the needle . Get SEC west teams here. To do that the games will have to be played in the Dome which is fine. If we do play those teams and the games are played in the 22,000 seat stadium Tulane has then that wil meamn we have continued to lose and those teams will get 20,000 in there and we'll only have 2,000.


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Re: Oklahoma Game Thread

Postby winwave » Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:46 pm

OUG wrote:
oliveandblue wrote:
OUG wrote:These are scheduled in advance. We are getting OU at home down the road in exchange for getting our teeth kicked in this year. You have to view it in that context. Maybe in 2021 we will also suck, but maybe we won't. You want to give your program those targets.


I don't know why you'd do a three-game set with OU, even in advance. They are a factory program that will always be in the top 15 or so. They don't really have truly "down" years.

We lose 90 out of 100 games vs. OU by 21+ points. It's braindead scheduling.

The Ohio State game in 2018 is another mistake - Tulane should have used that road game to build another 2 for 1 with a P5.


I am not a huge fan of the Ohio State game, because it is a short term cash grab. But the 3-game OU series includes a home game which makes it financially compelling for us, even though we lose badly. We will sell that game out. It will drive season ticket sales for other games. It will be a big day on campus. It's great for recruiting to tell kids that they'll be able to play Oklahoma at home. And at the end of the day, it gives you a measuring stick as to how your team is growing in terms of its ability to compete.

Most teams in the AAC are making deals like that. There's nothing wrong with them. If you want to be a big football program someday you have to play big football programs.

We aren't talking about scheduling only blue blood programs, but one a year is not a problem as long as it is part of a comprehensive scheduling strategy.


OUG as I posted above if that OU game is played in Yulman it means we continue to lose and they get 20,000 in there. If we're improved and their told they only get 2,000 they'll pay the buyout. Their AD isn't going to tell the 20-25,000 fans who want to come to NOLA that they can't get tickets. The goal should be to improve the program to where we are good enough that we play to a full house or close to it in the Dome against such a marquee opponent


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Re: Oklahoma Game Thread

Postby DfromCT » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:01 am

We're not playing in the Dome, and certainly not selling out the Dome. The Sugar Bowl has had a tough time selling out the Dome the last few years. Times have changed.


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Re: Oklahoma Game Thread

Postby winwave » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:58 am

Bad Tulane football certainly won't. What I'm talking about is if that finally changes. For a GOOD Tulane football team playing a top 5 opponent you would get 40,000 Tulane fans out and then an Oklahoma is going to bring at least 25,000. The main point though is that those type of teams aren't coming here if we try and force them into Yulman and they only get 2,000 tickets. They'll pay the buyout. So the message to the administration is that we are fine with playing big time football in the Dome.


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