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Postby RobertM320 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:22 pm

Beat Navy and be really competitive against Oklahoma, and there will be a decent crowd for Army. Beat Army, Tulsa and FIU, and you'll have a very good crowd for USF. We'd be 5-1 at that point. Its all about winning.


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Postby Wave755 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:59 pm

RobertM320 wrote:Beat Navy and be really competitive against Oklahoma, and there will be a decent crowd for Army. Beat Army, Tulsa and FIU, and you'll have a very good crowd for USF. We'd be 5-1 at that point. Its all about winning.

In 1996 I went to Buddy Teevens' second to last game as head coach at the Dome, TU v. Houston. There couldn't have been 2,500 people at the game. A year later in 1997 for a Bowden/RR coached game against Ole Miss both the Plaza & Loge were packed.

If you win they will come.

We can get back to the 25,000 fan base where Bowden/RR left us in 1998 almost overnight with a competitive team.



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Postby Houma de Wave » Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:14 pm

winwave wrote:GL- As for the student section you said it wasn't filled in the first quarter and that it was emptied out in the second half. You say it was full for some reason in the second quarter. Where I sat I had a good view of it and never noticed it filled up at any point. If it did it was brief.

As for your last paragraph in your first post I made other post about our good performance. Then I simply responded to a post about attendance. There was no need for that comment. And yes when someone addresses me I certainly am going to respond.


The student section never filled up....period. And, they were gone in droves by the 2nd half kickoff---as usual!!

My section in the upper deck was barren. The best thing that happened last night was on the playing field.

The culture of losing has more than caught up with the ticket office (even though I continue to purchase season tix). Willie Fritz is doing and will do his part to change that. I had folks at church this morning (LSU fans) ask me "What did Tulane do last night?" -- in a world of multi-, multi- sports media sources. When I told them the final score, they were actually blown away...one said "it looks like y'all have a good coach."

Note: We have a good football coach.



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Postby Show Me » Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:10 pm

Record low attendance for Yulman Stadium. Many people like Sader dropped their tickets because of the donation BS. I believe a lot of T Club ticket holders dropped theirs as well. A little over 15,000 and about 8,000 were probably Grambling fans. Too bad because it looks like a promising season could be underway.
https://twitter.com/guersmith/status/904190041274114048



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Postby galvezwave » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:26 pm

Show Me wrote:Record low attendance for Yulman Stadium. Many people like Sader dropped their tickets because of the donation BS. I believe a lot of T Club ticket holders dropped theirs as well. A little over 15,000 and about 8,000 were probably Grambling fans. Too bad because it looks like a promising season could be underway.
https://twitter.com/guersmith/status/904190041274114048


This is where we are and where we have been for a long, long time. After 46 years , I'll go when I feel like it and when I'm assured of a decent product. they have it backwards. Instead of bleeding the same 3,000 diehards, they should be more concerned with the 18,000 empty seats.



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Postby Robert1969 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:46 pm

I don't, at this stage, give a f#ck about attendance and neither should you. Tulane admin has to figure that out. But 80% of figuring it out is winning football games. Win enough and you could double Yulman capacity while playing in the American and pack them in without none of the whining you hear now. The only panacea for box office sales in sports is win total.



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Postby OUG » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:05 pm

It's pointless to worry about attendance or even talk about it if we aren't winning. When we win everything will be fine. Until we are winning, talking about attendance is just navel gazing. Focus on what's on the field and forget about what's in the stands for awhile. If things go well on the field the stands will take care of themselves. Otherwise it is just beating an obvious and dead horse.



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Postby RobertM320 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:29 pm

OUG wrote:It's pointless to worry about attendance or even talk about it if we aren't winning. When we win everything will be fine. Until we are winning, talking about attendance is just navel gazing. Focus on what's on the field and forget about what's in the stands for awhile. If things go well on the field the stands will take care of themselves. Otherwise it is just beating an obvious and dead horse.


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Postby galvezwave » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:31 pm

I don't care about attendance anymore. its an interesting study. Could they sell more by simply putting them up, face value, no strings? Thing is, people across the nation are getting tired of this crap. I know lsu fans are dropping tix for the same issues. But they have demand



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Postby galvezwave » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:32 pm

RobertM320 wrote:
OUG wrote:It's pointless to worry about attendance or even talk about it if we aren't winning. When we win everything will be fine. Until we are winning, talking about attendance is just navel gazing. Focus on what's on the field and forget about what's in the stands for awhile. If things go well on the field the stands will take care of themselves. Otherwise it is just beating an obvious and dead horse.


People beat dead horses on gotula.net?


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Postby sader24 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:50 pm

There is a sports ticket bubble coming in the future. College have a different demand structure bc they have students and alumni who feel a certain ownership and actual affiliation with a certain school so they can push the mandatory donation BS further than normal supply and demand would allow. The problem I have without Tulane is, LSU and schools of that nature win, have sold stadiums, and their fans at least feel like they are getting some of their money's worth. You cannot charge a mandatory donation with Tulanes product and in a section where only 10 of the 300 seats are sold. It's insane. We built a stadium where the best seats we have are never used and remain mostly empty. On top of that, the schedule sucks. Scheduling teams like Army and Grambling, combining with a woeful product, extremely low demand, and a mandatory donation is recipe for no fan support. Then a season ticket holder like me finds out if I simply don't buy season tickets i don't get cracked for the mandatory fee and I can pick the games I want to see, save a bunch of money, and still sit in the same seat is infuriating bc it shows me that they are straight up taxing the long term supporters who buy season tickets. There should be value in buying a seat or seats for the entire season and right now the value is in not buying the season.



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Postby golfnut69 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:19 pm

sader24 wrote:There is a sports ticket bubble coming in the future. College have a different demand structure bc they have students and alumni who feel a certain ownership and actual affiliation with a certain school so they can push the mandatory donation BS further than normal supply and demand would allow. The problem I have without Tulane is, LSU and schools of that nature win, have sold stadiums, and their fans at least feel like they are getting some of their money's worth. You cannot charge a mandatory donation with Tulanes product and in a section where only 10 of the 300 seats are sold. It's insane. We built a stadium where the best seats we have are never used and remain mostly empty. On top of that, the schedule sucks. Scheduling teams like Army and Grambling, combining with a woeful product, extremely low demand, and a mandatory donation is recipe for no fan support. Then a season ticket holder like me finds out if I simply don't buy season tickets i don't get cracked for the mandatory fee and I can pick the games I want to see, save a bunch of money, and still sit in the same seat is infuriating bc it shows me that they are straight up taxing the long term supporters who buy season tickets. There should be value in buying a seat or seats for the entire season and right now the value is in not buying the season.


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sader24 wrote:There is a sports ticket bubble coming in the future. College have a different demand structure bc they have students and alumni who feel a certain ownership and actual affiliation with a certain school so they can push the mandatory donation BS further than normal supply and demand would allow. The problem I have without Tulane is, LSU and schools of that nature win, have sold stadiums, and their fans at least feel like they are getting some of their money's worth. You cannot charge a mandatory donation with Tulanes product and in a section where only 10 of the 300 seats are sold. It's insane. We built a stadium where the best seats we have are never used and remain mostly empty. On top of that, the schedule sucks. Scheduling teams like Army and Grambling, combining with a woeful product, extremely low demand, and a mandatory donation is recipe for no fan support. Then a season ticket holder like me finds out if I simply don't buy season tickets i don't get cracked for the mandatory fee and I can pick the games I want to see, save a bunch of money, and still sit in the same seat is infuriating bc it shows me that they are straight up taxing the long term supporters who buy season tickets. There should be value in buying a seat or seats for the entire season and right now the value is in not buying the season.

Good assessment. It's going to take years of winning not just a bowl here and there to maybe get people back. People that quit going have found other things to do with their time and money. Sitting home has never been a better option with all the great TV games on. Winning and scheduling better home non conference games would generate more fan interest. People in this pro town just has so many more entertainment options then almost anywhere else in the country.


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Postby tpstulane » Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:58 pm

Tulane survey went out today. I filled it in and it sent back with mostly good marks. The beer was foamy on the Westfield Club side with 3 out of 4 taps were messed up.


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sader24 wrote:There is a sports ticket bubble coming in the future. College have a different demand structure bc they have students and alumni who feel a certain ownership and actual affiliation with a certain school so they can push the mandatory donation BS further than normal supply and demand would allow. The problem I have without Tulane is, LSU and schools of that nature win, have sold stadiums, and their fans at least feel like they are getting some of their money's worth. You cannot charge a mandatory donation with Tulanes product and in a section where only 10 of the 300 seats are sold. It's insane. We built a stadium where the best seats we have are never used and remain mostly empty. On top of that, the schedule sucks. Scheduling teams like Army and Grambling, combining with a woeful product, extremely low demand, and a mandatory donation is recipe for no fan support. Then a season ticket holder like me finds out if I simply don't buy season tickets i don't get cracked for the mandatory fee and I can pick the games I want to see, save a bunch of money, and still sit in the same seat is infuriating bc it shows me that they are straight up taxing the long term supporters who buy season tickets. There should be value in buying a seat or seats for the entire season and right now the value is in not buying the season.


No doubt. Agian some here need to check their reading comprehension. The conversation is not about attendance. It's about fleecing the few loyal fans we have left. I know it was tough for sader to break a long family tradition in giving up the season tickets. He didn't want to but the pricing structure made him do it. Tulane would have made a lot more money selling those three season tickets and having those three people spend money at the games than they would off the fee they insisted charging.


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Postby wavemania » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:36 pm

So the survey will get great reviews from the 3,000 season ticket holders who still care. The ones who quit because they didn't change what we were telling them sucks, it doesn't matter to them now. :lol:



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Postby lurker123 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:27 pm

winwave wrote:
sader24 wrote:There is a sports ticket bubble coming in the future. College have a different demand structure bc they have students and alumni who feel a certain ownership and actual affiliation with a certain school so they can push the mandatory donation BS further than normal supply and demand would allow. The problem I have without Tulane is, LSU and schools of that nature win, have sold stadiums, and their fans at least feel like they are getting some of their money's worth. You cannot charge a mandatory donation with Tulanes product and in a section where only 10 of the 300 seats are sold. It's insane. We built a stadium where the best seats we have are never used and remain mostly empty. On top of that, the schedule sucks. Scheduling teams like Army and Grambling, combining with a woeful product, extremely low demand, and a mandatory donation is recipe for no fan support. Then a season ticket holder like me finds out if I simply don't buy season tickets i don't get cracked for the mandatory fee and I can pick the games I want to see, save a bunch of money, and still sit in the same seat is infuriating bc it shows me that they are straight up taxing the long term supporters who buy season tickets. There should be value in buying a seat or seats for the entire season and right now the value is in not buying the season.


No doubt. Agian some here need to check their reading comprehension. The conversation is not about attendance. It's about fleecing the few loyal fans we have left. I know it was tough for sader to break a long family tradition in giving up the season tickets. He didn't want to but the pricing structure made him do it. Tulane would have made a lot more money selling those three season tickets and having those three people spend money at the games than they would off the fee they insisted charging.


I would prefer people in the seats period. Sader and his family are fans. I hope they return.

But you are factually wrong. Tulane as do most sports teams, college and especially the pros, make more money pricing the way they do today. There is a reason that in most games in Yankee stadium the seats behind home plate look like the 50 yard line in front of the Glazer Club while the outfield bleachers full of red blooded fans. Those premium seats in both venues are sold to the one percenters who use them on a whim or when convenient or when it's cool to be seen supporting a winning team when they decide to make an annual trip to New Orleans.

Meanwhile cost is not an issue to see Tulane and most everyone here knows that. You can go to the stadium or shop the internet and get tickets easily for little or nothing. You may sit in a different place every time but you are there.

If you want to boycott over the ticket pricing policy, go ahead. I'm cool with that but don't tell us it's preventing you from seeing the game for an affordable price.



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Postby BC Wave » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:56 pm

Sader, your beef is with the pricing structure. I get that.

But we need your support and your presence.

I'm sure you know you can find tickets for any game at an extremely discounted price.

Please come to campus on game day and find these bargains and help cheer in the Wave!



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lurker123 wrote:
winwave wrote:
sader24 wrote:There is a sports ticket bubble coming in the future. College have a different demand structure bc they have students and alumni who feel a certain ownership and actual affiliation with a certain school so they can push the mandatory donation BS further than normal supply and demand would allow. The problem I have without Tulane is, LSU and schools of that nature win, have sold stadiums, and their fans at least feel like they are getting some of their money's worth. You cannot charge a mandatory donation with Tulanes product and in a section where only 10 of the 300 seats are sold. It's insane. We built a stadium where the best seats we have are never used and remain mostly empty. On top of that, the schedule sucks. Scheduling teams like Army and Grambling, combining with a woeful product, extremely low demand, and a mandatory donation is recipe for no fan support. Then a season ticket holder like me finds out if I simply don't buy season tickets i don't get cracked for the mandatory fee and I can pick the games I want to see, save a bunch of money, and still sit in the same seat is infuriating bc it shows me that they are straight up taxing the long term supporters who buy season tickets. There should be value in buying a seat or seats for the entire season and right now the value is in not buying the season.


No doubt. Agian some here need to check their reading comprehension. The conversation is not about attendance. It's about fleecing the few loyal fans we have left. I know it was tough for sader to break a long family tradition in giving up the season tickets. He didn't want to but the pricing structure made him do it. Tulane would have made a lot more money selling those three season tickets and having those three people spend money at the games than they would off the fee they insisted charging.


I would prefer people in the seats period. Sader and his family are fans. I hope they return.

But you are factually wrong. Tulane as do most sports teams, college and especially the pros, make more money pricing the way they do today. There is a reason that in most games in Yankee stadium the seats behind home plate look like the 50 yard line in front of the Glazer Club while the outfield bleachers full of red blooded fans. Those premium seats in both venues are sold to the one percenters who use them on a whim or when convenient or when it's cool to be seen supporting a winning team when they decide to make an annual trip to New Orleans.

Meanwhile cost is not an issue to see Tulane and most everyone here knows that. You can go to the stadium or shop the internet and get tickets easily for little or nothing. You may sit in a different place every time but you are there.

If you want to boycott over the ticket pricing policy, go ahead. I'm cool with that but don't tell us it's preventing you from seeing the game for an affordable price.


You miss the point. Other teams profit b/c they have won enough through the last 3/4 of a century to do what everybody else has done. Tulane has lost too much during that period and therefore loses money on it. Again I stress to work on your reading comprehension. We ALL know others do it. Tulane isn't in a position to.


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Postby winwave » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:13 am

BC Wave wrote:Sader, your beef is with the pricing structure. I get that.

But we need your support and your presence.

I'm sure you know you can find tickets for any game at an extremely discounted price.

Please come to campus on game day and find these bargains and help cheer in the Wave!


I know you mean well but again : Reading comprehension. He already did that:

"When single game tickets went on sale i simply bought my individual seat instead of 3 season tickets for every home game other than Grambling which i had zero interest in watching that joke of a game and saved $650. No mandatory donation to buy single game seats but mandatory donation to buy 3 season tickets in the same section is moronic. Crowds will be light this season win or lose."


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Then we are cool.
I did not read every post of sader.



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Yea I just bought my single seat for 5 games. I understand the pricing system and what they are trying to accomplish with it as far selling those high end seats, etc. I get all of that. I think sports tickets in general are starting to make their way into a situation that will prevent alot more people from going and wanting to go. The fallacy of comparing Tulane tickets to the Yankees, LSU, Alabama, etc is that we are not any of those teams. I find it slightly foolish to pattern your ticketing policy after teams that have an incredible demand for tickets when you yourself essentially have none. Personally, I do not sit in a section that has access to the Glazer Club. Strictly from a consumer standpoint I have no idea what the mandatory donation they want from me is for. I understand charging it for seats with access to the club or even seats between the 20's, etc. I sit on the goaline and there are 3 season ticket holders in my section not counting me that hold 10 total season tickets in the entire section. I know this simply from looking at the seats available graphic on the website. They can charge mandatory donations for access to the Glazer Club, that makes total sense. However, to charge these mandatory donations for seats that don't have that access in sections that are 0-20% sold out is in my opinion stupid and insane. You charge these things when you have an established demand and limited supply. We have zero demand and a ton of supply. In my opinion as LSU games become harder and harder for families to go to from a time and expense standpoint, we should not be mimicing their pricing strategy but should be trying to make it easier and cheaper for people to come see our games and see them in good seats so they enjoy it. You start bringing those people in now and when and if success comes they have enjoyed themselves, have a connection with the program and will be willing to pay more for tickets in the future. I was willing to buy 3 tickets this year at $600 total. They wanted $850. Instead I simply bought 1 ticket to 5 games for around $220 total I believe. I am also skeptical that we will ever have enough diehards that are willing to pay a mandatory donation for Tulane tickets to all the seats or even 75% of the seats that require it. Who are these people and where are they going to come from even if we do start winning? I just don't see it. They got away with it to an extent in Year 1 b/c people wanted to see the stadium. That's over with.



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Postby tufinal4 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:04 am

Crowd at Grambling game was MUCH better than SEVERAL home games we've had. Student section was fairly packed throughout first half. We were obviously gonna blow them out, no way they were staying longer on a Sat night. Just being honest.

Some of our past home games were announced at ridiculous totals, while last Saturday night was announced with brutal honesty. Did we change our policy to turnstile count vs tickets distributed.



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Postby TXWave88 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:45 am

Build the football ops building, have a fancy club looking over the field like most schools do in the END ZONE, let the high rollers hang out there and let the current season tickets have the option to move to the home side without or without an increased donation. Of course this would leave the press box side empty which would not look good on tv but let the true attending fans get the home side with the seat backs. Like everyone has said, change your on field results is the only sustainable way to change your attendance.

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