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chain gang x man wrote:https://twitter.com/sportsnola/status/868467036833361920

Ed right on target again.
For baseball, you would like to allow your head coach to stack financial aid. If a player gets $15,000 in aid via baseball scholarship and $20,000 in academic money, that money should total $35,000.

Unfortunately, stacking is not allowed. If you can only take the higher amount, in this case the academic money, a family would still owe $46,000 on the current cost of a year for a student athlete at Tulane University.


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He's got a lot of it right but not all. First off tps you and I spend a lot of times at the games much more than on these boards. Secondly as for baseball they can stack athletic scholarship money w/academic money. Jewett said so on a TV show before the season w/Scott Alexander that you referenced people to. Plus there is TOPS money that can be stacked. The issue w/regards to need based aid has to be addressed. We also still have legislative scholarships available and our AD and coaches need to be made aware of it.


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winwave wrote:He's got a lot of it right but not all. First off tps you and I spend a lot of times at the games much more than on these boards. Secondly as for baseball they can stack athletic scholarship money w/academic money. Jewett said so on a TV show before the season w/Scott Alexander that you referenced people to. Plus there is TOPS money that can be stacked. The issue w/regards to need based aid has to be addressed. We also still have legislative scholarships available and our AD and coaches need to be made aware of it.

Ask any baseball parent that pays the tuition. According to the parents I know that's not happening. TOPS only for La kids that qualify. So are the Legislator Schollys.
We only had 8 kids from La and only about half contributed this season. And most won't return.


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winwave wrote:He's got a lot of it right but not all. First off tps you and I spend a lot of times at the games much more than on these boards. Secondly as for baseball they can stack athletic scholarship money w/academic money. Jewett said so on a TV show before the season w/Scott Alexander that you referenced people to. Plus there is TOPS money that can be stacked. The issue w/regards to need based aid has to be addressed. We also still have legislative scholarships available and our AD and coaches need to be made aware of it.

Be careful when it comes to the legislative scholarships. The news media would love to report that Tulane is abusing the system and have the scholarships eliminated. Each legislator receives one scholarship renewable every year and the recipient has to live in his/her district.
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tpstulane wrote:
winwave wrote:He's got a lot of it right but not all. First off tps you and I spend a lot of times at the games much more than on these boards. Secondly as for baseball they can stack athletic scholarship money w/academic money. Jewett said so on a TV show before the season w/Scott Alexander that you referenced people to. Plus there is TOPS money that can be stacked. The issue w/regards to need based aid has to be addressed. We also still have legislative scholarships available and our AD and coaches need to be made aware of it.

Ask any baseball parent that pays the tuition. You find out that's not happening. TOPS only for La kids that qualify. So are the Legislator Schollys.
We only had 8 kids from La and only half contributed.


They do get to stack academic money. Of course TOPS is only for La. kids. Never said otherwise. Same fro the leg. scholarships. We have a lot of good players here that can we can use them on. Our program was built on those scholarships in large part. Like I said we need to make sure the AD and coach are fully aware of them. Then TJ can adjust recruiting accordingly. That's my point.


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chain gang x man wrote:
winwave wrote:He's got a lot of it right but not all. First off tps you and I spend a lot of times at the games much more than on these boards. Secondly as for baseball they can stack athletic scholarship money w/academic money. Jewett said so on a TV show before the season w/Scott Alexander that you referenced people to. Plus there is TOPS money that can be stacked. The issue w/regards to need based aid has to be addressed. We also still have legislative scholarships available and our AD and coaches need to be made aware of it.

Be careful when it comes to the legislative scholarships. The news media would love to report that Tulane is abusing the system and have the scholarships eliminated. Each legislator receives one scholarship renewable every year and the recipient has to live in his/her district.
Thank you Sidney Bartholomew


The media has moved on. The scholarships are still there just as they always have been. Even when the media spotlight was at its brightest the legislators never gave them up and they never will. The legislators now just don't make the mistake of giving them to family.


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Postby Aberzombie1892 » Sat May 27, 2017 11:42 am

Athletic and academic aid won't stack unless the student athlete meets one of several (relatively) high level academic criteria (top 10%/3.5 GPA/25 ACT).

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Aberzombie1892 wrote:Athletic and academic aid won't stack unless the student athlete meets one of several (relatively) high level academic criteria (top 10%/3.5 GPA/25 ACT).

http://diycollegerankings.com/can-colle ... hips/6267/

That's correct.
Tulane simply does not have the endowment to offer such a broad policy for ALL "accepted" students. It only has it for "qualified" students as however defined. Unfortunately we don't have enough baseball players currently who meet those existing academic requirements. However the majority qualify for need based aid which is not allowed to be "stacked".


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tpstulane wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:Athletic and academic aid won't stack unless the student athlete meets one of several (relatively) high level academic criteria (top 10%/3.5 GPA/25 ACT).

http://diycollegerankings.com/can-colle ... hips/6267/

That's correct.
Tulane simply does not have the endowment to offer such a broad policy for ALL "accepted" students. It only has it for "qualified" students as however defined. Unfortunately we don't have enough baseball players currently who meet those existing academic requirements. However the majority qualify for need based aid which is not allowed to be "stacked".


besides financial issues the biggest problem at Tulane is the lack of true educators....these lazy tenured ass holes only want those who make their job easy, not those they can inspire to reach further....


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Aberzombie1892 wrote:Athletic and academic aid won't stack unless the student athlete meets one of several (relatively) high level academic criteria (top 10%/3.5 GPA/25 ACT).

http://diycollegerankings.com/can-colle ... hips/6267/


That's part of Jewett's job, or whoever is the HC , at any point in time. We can get a lot of really good players from Texas that-A) Family has money, B)They meet those academic standards . I'll also note the $71,000 figure now being thrown around is not the actual number families will have to come up with. I think it was FW on the other site that debunked that figure when it was supposedly $60,000.

While I'm on FW he brought up UCF's first year coaches name for our job last year. We have more than stacking issues. We have coaching issues. You watch UCF and you see a very well coached team. They execute in unison on offense and defense. They are excellent in situational baseball. We haven't ever had that under any of our coaches. Our winning was based on amassing talent. Nothing wrong with that but it catches up with you when you try to win it all. Watching UCF play reminds you of why we fell in love with baseball. I hope I live to see us play like that.


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Postby JerseyWave » Sat May 27, 2017 12:39 pm

Right now I have a big problem with our AD after his first 18 months on the job:

1. He has done a terrible job of communicating with the fan base. No mention of his facility plan, fundraising objectives, upcoming events...nothing. He's been very quiet to this out of towner. He occasionally tweets something...that's all I get from this guy.

2. All three of his men's hires had losing seasons...Fritz has done a terrible job of recruiting, especially in Louisiana, Dunleavy was a huge disappointment in his first year, Jewett's team got off to a horrible start, had a decent middle of the season, and a poor finish.

3. Dannen's only successes have been his Women's Volleyball Coach and the Angry Wave branding.

You would have to say Fitts has been a big supporter of Athletics and has done nothing to handcuff the AD. Dannen was given the keys to the Kingdom so it is 100% on him to produce a winning athletic department.



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winwave wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:Athletic and academic aid won't stack unless the student athlete meets one of several (relatively) high level academic criteria (top 10%/3.5 GPA/25 ACT).

http://diycollegerankings.com/can-colle ... hips/6267/


That's part of Jewett's job, or whoever is the HC , at any point in time. We can get a lot of really good players from Texas that-A) Family has money, B)They meet those academic standards . I'll also note the $71,000 figure now being thrown around is not the actual number families will have to come up with...

A)Texas, Rice, TCU, A&M, Houston, Houston Baptist and others (LSU etc) are also going for that same kid.
B)On the $71,000 comment I'll agree. But the point I'm making is that as that number grows so does the cost to both parents and student athletes.
It's just makes any coaches job that more difficult to have to deal with off the field stuff like that. Believe me it's nothing at all compared to what he had at Vandy. Nothing at all.


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tpstulane wrote:
winwave wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:Athletic and academic aid won't stack unless the student athlete meets one of several (relatively) high level academic criteria (top 10%/3.5 GPA/25 ACT).

http://diycollegerankings.com/can-colle ... hips/6267/


That's part of Jewett's job, or whoever is the HC , at any point in time. We can get a lot of really good players from Texas that-A) Family has money, B)They meet those academic standards . I'll also note the $71,000 figure now being thrown around is not the actual number families will have to come up with...

On the $71,000 comment I'll agree. But the point I'm making is that as that number grows so does the cost to both parents and student athletes.
It's just makes any coaches job that more difficult to have to deal with off the field stuff like that. Believe me it's nothing at all compared to what he had at Vandy. Nothing at all.


The value of the scholarship goes up too. It is an issue and one of the reasons TJ got picked was his knowledge on the issue. Yes its different than Vandy but he was fully aware of that. Like I said earlier he was asked directly by Alexander on that show about the issue and he has a recruiting plan to address it. We'll know soon enough if his plan can work or not. Again though we have long had more than stacking issues.


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TOPS is part of academic aid and is not stacked.


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Locals will never play for tulane baseball again. They just can't afford a 50% scholarship of 60,000/yr. that's why our roster is full of kids from northeast. Only way they come here is if we offer them huge scholarships. Also tops is a joke for tulane, it's like what 4,000$ per student/yr? That's huge at Lsu where your total tuitions is 8-10k a year but doesn't do jack when your tuition is 70k.

What makes me sick is troy dannen dumping all our money into football and crapping on baseball. We can be top 10 in baseball, but vanderbilt is in sec and sucks at football.....troy dannen football hopes are a waste of money and he's doing it at the expense of our beloved favorite crown jewel baseball program.



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tpstulane wrote:TOPS is part of academic aid and is not stacked.


It is stacked. The player gets his athletic money and the TOPS money. The school has no say on that issue. That money goes directly to the student from the state.


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winwave wrote: I'll also note the $71,000 figure now being thrown around is not the actual number families will have to come up with. I think it was FW on the other site that debunked that figure when it was supposedly $60,000.

The $71,000 & $60,000 numbers include living costs and living costs are about the same everywhere. Very few Tulane students pay the full cost of our stated tuition; very, very few.



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Postby DfromCT » Sat May 27, 2017 5:30 pm

chain gang x man wrote:http://sportsnola.com/fixes-needed-tulane-succeed-keep-winning/


Take out the part about our records in the three major sports this past academic year, and this article could have been written 2, 5, 10, 20, or even 40 years ago. Tell us something we don't know, Ed.

BTW: Tuition is NOWHERE near $70K That's a (IMHO slightly inflated) Cost of attendance. Room and board and travel, book, etc. are a VERY BIG part of cost of attendance. Tuition for '17-'18 is $52,960. That's overpriced, in a big way, IMHO, but well under $71k.

Straight from the University:
http://www2.tulane.edu/financialaid/cost/cost-of-attendance-2017-2018-historical.cfm


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Postby Hornetswave » Sun May 28, 2017 2:09 am

CJ recruited heavily in the NEW ORLEANS AREA, i was not impressed. You have to recruit any player who can play the game. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. P.S CJ SUCKED. The worst coach i have ever seen, Worst than TOLEDO.



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tpstulane wrote:
winwave wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:Athletic and academic aid won't stack unless the student athlete meets one of several (relatively) high level academic criteria (top 10%/3.5 GPA/25 ACT).

http://diycollegerankings.com/can-colle ... hips/6267/


That's part of Jewett's job, or whoever is the HC , at any point in time. We can get a lot of really good players from Texas that-A) Family has money, B)They meet those academic standards . I'll also note the $71,000 figure now being thrown around is not the actual number families will have to come up with...

A)Texas, Rice, TCU, A&M, Houston, Houston Baptist and others (LSU etc) are also going for that same kid.
B)On the $71,000 comment I'll agree. But the point I'm making is that as that number grows so does the cost to both parents and student athletes.
It's just makes any coaches job that more difficult to have to deal with off the field stuff like that. Believe me it's nothing at all compared to what he had at Vandy. Nothing at all.


To your edited portion of the post yes those schools do go after them. It shows they are good players who we should be going after. The change in scholarship money rules helps us there as they are limited in the number of players they can give money to. The bottom line is it's our coaches job to win said battle.

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Postby DfromCT » Sun May 28, 2017 12:35 pm

RollWaveRoll wrote:Locals will never play for tulane baseball again. They just can't afford a 50% scholarship of 60,000/yr. that's why our roster is full of kids from northeast. Only way they come here is if we offer them huge scholarships. Also tops is a joke for tulane, it's like what 4,000$ per student/yr? That's huge at Lsu where your total tuitions is 8-10k a year but doesn't do jack when your tuition is 70k.

What makes me sick is troy dannen dumping all our money into football and crapping on baseball. We can be top 10 in baseball, but vanderbilt is in sec and sucks at football.....troy dannen football hopes are a waste of money and he's doing it at the expense of our beloved favorite crown jewel baseball program.



Baseball has a small, but VERY loyal local following. It's not that big a deal across the country, where most of the Tulane alumni live. I, being as big a sports fan as anyone I know, have watched my last college baseball game of the year. I'm more likely to watch an NBA finals game, than an NCAA baseball game, and it's been at least 5 possibly 10 years since I've watched an NBA game. My point is baseball matters more on this board than anywhere in the sports world.

Aspiring to be a top 10 baseball program, at the expense of football (or basketball) would be suicide for 99.99% of AD's at the D1 level.


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golfnut69 wrote:besides financial issues the biggest problem at Tulane is the lack of true educators....these lazy tenured ass holes only want those who make their job easy, not those they can inspire to reach further....


And how do you know this, golfnut? I agree with most of what you post, but my time at Tulane put me face to face with at least 8-12 absolutely phenomenal professors. I'll admit that it was a long time ago. But I'm really curious what makes you make such a bold and negative statement? Yes, some profs are outspoken about athletics. But this blanket statement is offensive to those of us that are proud of our Tulane degrees.


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Postby tpstulane » Sun May 28, 2017 12:52 pm

winwave wrote:To your edited portion of the post yes those schools do go after them. It shows they are good players who we should be going after. The change in scholarship money rules helps us there as they are limited in the number of players they can give money to. The bottom line is it's our coaches job to win said battle.

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I just referenced what I was discussing. No reason to post the entire quote. Your original post with that quote has not been edited.
Anyone can edit their post if it's the last post and it won't show up as being edited.


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