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Hiring Lane would be like hiring Harvey Weinstein.tpstulane wrote:Love to see Lane here.Aberzombie1892 wrote:Sonny Cumbie, Frank Wilson, Lane Kiffin, Butch Davis, Mike Yurcich, Todd Orlando, and Brent Venables.
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A lot of baggage for sure.HoustonWave wrote:Hiring Lane would be like hiring Harvey Weinstein.tpstulane wrote:Love to see Lane here.Aberzombie1892 wrote:Sonny Cumbie, Frank Wilson, Lane Kiffin, Butch Davis, Mike Yurcich, Todd Orlando, and Brent Venables.
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We already have the reputation of a career killer, even though that's not really true. Good coaches have always won here. We just never hire any. Fritz losing looks bad because he is so well respected coming in. Warranted or not, he's never been a loser until it said Tulane across his chest. We NEED Willie to figure this out. Nobody worth a f*** would want it anyway, so pile on top of that the possibility of getting canned in less than 2 seasons? It's just not plausible for Tulane. Dangerous ground. Figure it out or get help, willie.
You know in two years or less if it’s going to work. Waiting 4-5 years like Tulane always does is insane. You go broke on Wall St holding a loser 4-5 years. No different here. Ask yourself how many years did Bowden and RR need?galvezwave wrote:We already have the reputation of a career killer, even though that's not really true. Good coaches have always won here. We just never hire any. Fritz losing looks bad because he is so well respected coming in. Warranted or not, he's never been a loser until it said Tulane across his chest. We NEED Willie to figure this out. Nobody worth a f*** would want it anyway, so pile on top of that the possibility of getting canned in less than 2 seasons? It's just not plausible for Tulane. Dangerous ground. Figure it out or get help, willie.
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Bowden was an anomaly. I'm not saying you're wrong. But I do believe times have changed even since 98. Tulane sat on its ass too long and I'm not convinced it can be saved , much less find somebody worth a shit and stupid enough to try it out. If you're winning at fiu or utsa, you would have to be an absolute idiot to make a lateral move (to be kind) to come here, fail then you're coaching defensive backs at country day.tpstulane wrote:You know in two years or less if it’s going to work. Waiting 4-5 years like Tulane always does is insane. You go broke on Wall St holding a loser 4-5 years. No different here. Ask yourself how many years did Bowden and RR need?galvezwave wrote:We already have the reputation of a career killer, even though that's not really true. Good coaches have always won here. We just never hire any. Fritz losing looks bad because he is so well respected coming in. Warranted or not, he's never been a loser until it said Tulane across his chest. We NEED Willie to figure this out. Nobody worth a f*** would want it anyway, so pile on top of that the possibility of getting canned in less than 2 seasons? It's just not plausible for Tulane. Dangerous ground. Figure it out or get help, willie.
No. Bowden was a great hire. You know you said that to yourself when we got him. Now I agree things today are much different.galvezwave wrote:Bowden was an anomaly. I'm not saying you're wrong. But I do believe times have changed even since 98. Tulane sat on its ass too long and I'm not convinced it can be saved , much less find somebody worth a sh*t and stupid enough to try it out. If you're winning at fiu or utsa, you would have to be an absolute idiot to make a lateral move (to be kind) to come here, fail then you're coaching defensive backs at country day.tpstulane wrote:You know in two years or less if it’s going to work. Waiting 4-5 years like Tulane always does is insane. You go broke on Wall St holding a loser 4-5 years. No different here. Ask yourself how many years did Bowden and RR need?galvezwave wrote:We already have the reputation of a career killer, even though that's not really true. Good coaches have always won here. We just never hire any. Fritz losing looks bad because he is so well respected coming in. Warranted or not, he's never been a loser until it said Tulane across his chest. We NEED Willie to figure this out. Nobody worth a f*** would want it anyway, so pile on top of that the possibility of getting canned in less than 2 seasons? It's just not plausible for Tulane. Dangerous ground. Figure it out or get help, willie.
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Yeah I did . I didn't know he was gonna go 12 and f'n 0. Lol
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Galvez you correctly understand the conundrum that we are. Coach Fritz is our best hope BECAUSE anyone else would be a downgrade; coaches are afraid of us, as in how many turned us down before the Toledo and Johnson hires....galvezwave wrote:We already have the reputation of a career killer, even though that's not really true. Good coaches have always won here. We just never hire any. Fritz losing looks bad because he is so well respected coming in. Warranted or not, he's never been a loser until it said Tulane across his chest. We NEED Willie to figure this out. Nobody worth a f*** would want it anyway, so pile on top of that the possibility of getting canned in less than 2 seasons? It's just not plausible for Tulane. Dangerous ground. Figure it out or get help, willie.
If Coach Fritz could hire a recruiter better than he is that would be a huge plus....
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Cowen didn’t like it because it took the spotlight off him.tpstulane wrote:yea me neither!!! But boy it was great!!!galvezwave wrote:Yeah I did . I didn't know he was gonna go 12 and f'n 0. Lol
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Low bar syndrome from being a long time Tulane fan. Cowen mentality.nawlinspete wrote:Galvez you correctly understand the conundrum that we are. Coach Fritz is our best hope BECAUSE anyone else would be a downgrade; coaches are afraid of us, as in how many turned us down before the Toledo and Johnson hires....galvezwave wrote:We already have the reputation of a career killer, even though that's not really true. Good coaches have always won here. We just never hire any. Fritz losing looks bad because he is so well respected coming in. Warranted or not, he's never been a loser until it said Tulane across his chest. We NEED Willie to figure this out. Nobody worth a f*** would want it anyway, so pile on top of that the possibility of getting canned in less than 2 seasons? It's just not plausible for Tulane. Dangerous ground. Figure it out or get help, willie.
If Coach Fritz could hire a recruiter better than he is that would be a huge plus....
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Yea. Good point. I hadn’t thought of that. You pass up an alum like Andy C who can you hire?msdos wrote:As much as I'd like to see Fritz gone tomorrow, and for today's game to be the last time I see that awful offense, I can't say that I'd be thrilled with Dannen failing on a 4th coach hire.
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Low bar syndrome....Show Me wrote:Yea. Good point. I hadn’t thought of that. You pass up an alum like Andy C who can you hire?msdos wrote:As much as I'd like to see Fritz gone tomorrow, and for today's game to be the last time I see that awful offense, I can't say that I'd be thrilled with Dannen failing on a 4th coach hire.
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you got me!nawlinspete wrote:Low bar syndrome....Show Me wrote:Yea. Good point. I hadn’t thought of that. You pass up an alum like Andy C who can you hire?msdos wrote:As much as I'd like to see Fritz gone tomorrow, and for today's game to be the last time I see that awful offense, I can't say that I'd be thrilled with Dannen failing on a 4th coach hire.
He applied for the job...but was told not to come...that said,,,WF will be here for at least two yearsPepper wrote:galvezwave wrote:Lol. Willie ain't goin no where for a while.
Knute Rockne couldnt win here.
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That's because he recruited a certain QB that knows what it takes to win and has killer mentallity that wasn't even given a sniff by this coach. Would be a perfect fit for this crappy offense Tulane runs.tpstulane wrote:The current Nicholls St coach winning at that sh1t hole. The same can be done here.
Difference is back then we were a top program and hired a great coach anyway.golfnut69 wrote:He applied for the job...but was told not to come...that said,,,WF will be here for at least two yearsPepper wrote:galvezwave wrote:Lol. Willie ain't goin no where for a while.
Knute Rockne couldnt win here.
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RICHROD!!! Spend the endowment on him it will be the best investment Tulane ever made.tpstulane wrote:Great.Aberzombie1892 wrote:Me too. I edited the initial post to add Iowa State‘s and TCU’s defensive coordinators since they have more than earned consideration.tpstulane wrote:Lane would be interesting.Aberzombie1892 wrote:Sonny Cumbie, Frank Wilson, Lane Kiffin, Butch Davis, Mike Yurcich, Todd Orlando, and Brent Venables.
I’m looking forward to winwave and sader’s picks.
Unfortunately we could list all the hot names we want but none of them are coming. Things were different back in the late 60's and the late 70's when we were able to hire Pittman and then Smith. We played in a real stadium. Support facilities weren't that big a deal then. We had only been losing a couple of decades. Things had changed when we got TB/RR. We were now 4 decades in on losing and support facilities had begun to matter. You have to admit we were lucky. Nobody had hired TB b/c they all saw him as just getting by on his name. . He was desperate to get a HC job. Now 6 decades in on the losing and facilities matter more than ever. Our facilities suck. No good coach is going to come here. They know they can't recruit to HS facilities.
We'll have to get lucky. The only people who would want this job are people like Frank Wlson, Frank Scelfo or maybe a Terry Bowden. Not confident any of them could get it done.
The reason there's a chance Dunleavy works out is he came from the highest level down to us. He came b/c no one was hiring him anymore at that level and no one else was hiring him at this level when he let it be known he wanted to. So maybe we get tucky there. As to WF he came from lower levels where there is no great talent discrepancy. This is a different world and he doesn't appear to be willing to adapt.
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Program in big time trouble, for this reason. After reading the article a couple of weeks ago about why Fritz jumped on the Tulane job, it felt like the Toledo situation again. He basically said, I am 56 years old without a long term contract at Georgia Southen, so I took the higher paying job for my family. While admirable, does that sound like a coach driven to succeed or a guy nearing retirement?
Had he been confident in his ability, wouldn't he have waited another year for better jobs to open up? He took this job to set himself up for the remainder of his life. Just like with Toledo, what happens when you've met that goal and then meet the difficulty of recruiting and winning at Tulane, the realization that the mountain is insurmountable sets in fairly early. Then it is just easier to play out the string and enjoy life rather than beating your head against the wall in an effort to win.
Does either the coaching on the field week to week or the recruiting look like a guy driven to succeed. The Tulane job just takes too much out of a guy to compete with even the better G5 guys.
The recruiting is actually the bigger problem because the talent on the defensive front 7 and OL is declining rapidly and that means very little chance to compete in this conference with this coaching staff going forward.
Had he been confident in his ability, wouldn't he have waited another year for better jobs to open up? He took this job to set himself up for the remainder of his life. Just like with Toledo, what happens when you've met that goal and then meet the difficulty of recruiting and winning at Tulane, the realization that the mountain is insurmountable sets in fairly early. Then it is just easier to play out the string and enjoy life rather than beating your head against the wall in an effort to win.
Does either the coaching on the field week to week or the recruiting look like a guy driven to succeed. The Tulane job just takes too much out of a guy to compete with even the better G5 guys.
The recruiting is actually the bigger problem because the talent on the defensive front 7 and OL is declining rapidly and that means very little chance to compete in this conference with this coaching staff going forward.
This staff won in Statesboro with Jeff Monken's talent. The entire staff seem like decent people incapable of persuading talented players at primary positions sign.
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This thing can get ugly fast Troy. Got Butch Davis on speed dial?
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Again the saddest thing is butch is better off where he is. He can get a good job from fiu. Same for Wilson. These guys will not jeopardize their careers to go backwards when they can win where they are and move UP in the coaching world. Tulane has to change a lot of things and it all starts in admissions and curriculums. Then talk about trying to play football. SMU went through the same thing, they were worse off than we are. But eventually they got it . We can only hope.wave97 wrote:This staff won in Statesboro with Jeff Monken's talent. The entire staff seem like decent people incapable of persuading talented players at primary positions sign.
This thing can get ugly fast Troy. Got Butch Davis on speed dial?
Admissions was long the main culprit. However we can now admit players at the NCAA minimums. It has put in at least 4 athlete friendly majors including health and wellness. It is the 67 years of losing and the HS facilities that prevent coaches from being able to recruit.galvezwave wrote:Again the saddest thing is butch is better off where he is. He can get a good job from fiu. Same for Wilson. These guys will not jeopardize their careers to go backwards when they can win where they are and move UP in the coaching world. Tulane has to change a lot of things and it all starts in admissions and curriculums. Then talk about trying to play football. SMU went through the same thing, they were worse off than we are. But eventually they got it . We can only hope.wave97 wrote:This staff won in Statesboro with Jeff Monken's talent. The entire staff seem like decent people incapable of persuading talented players at primary positions sign.
This thing can get ugly fast Troy. Got Butch Davis on speed dial?
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6-4-23:Now all of the mistakes Tulane has made finally catches up with them as they descend to CUSAAC.