Bye bye Jonathan Stark

[puffy]

Was Ricky Tarrant the best of the group that left. Was he not Freshman Basketball player of the year by CUSA

For my money, Josh Davis was more valuable. A big who could defend, score on the interior and rebound is gold.

Guards like Tarrant are a dime a dozen in college; high usage, low efficiency guards who put up big numbers on an average-to-mediocre team. I think Stark put up similar numbers his freshman year.

If Tulane is going to get out of its 15 year muck, it needs to have legit D1 talent, depth and experience. This incoming class plus Morgan collectively are more talented than the most talented players that have left the program in the last three seasons. It's EC's job now to get them to buy in and have the core stay together for a couple of seasons. If they are going to routinely beat Memphis & UConn, they have to do it with chemistry, experience and execution, because those schools will always be more talented. That remains to be seen...

[jonathanjoseph]

T-P:

http://www.nola.com/tulane/index.ssf/20 ... _index.ssf

High school gym reason for at least one transfer.

Good to read that. Now maybe people will cut Conroy some slack and see what he faces.
The sad part we can''t even fill the place and haven't for the last 15 years. For most of the season it goes more than half empty. We can't fill Yulman it now goes more than have empty. Baseball draws less then 500 now about the same as basketball it goes about more than half empty. We have one of the smallest fan bases in D1 athletics and it keeps getting smaller. It would actually be nice to fill these small venues once in awhile. Every kid wants to play on a big stage. Some get the opportunity and others don't have the talent to allow for it.

The answer is not to cut Conroy slack, the answer is to ask why we have the kind of coaches who would take a job with this facilities plan.

The number of fans in the seats DOES NOT have anything to do with the size of the fanbase. Just because people aren't there doesn't mean they aren't Tulane fans, it just means they have quit on the Cowen/Dickson Tulane Model which continues to produce disastrous results. They all know that nothing has changed and would come back if they tried anything new and successful.

[jonathanjoseph]

The next player that leaves Tulane and becomes a breakout star will be the first.

Oh ok. Guess there's nothing to worry about.

[winwave]

T-P:

http://www.nola.com/tulane/index.ssf/20 ... _index.ssf

High school gym reason for at least one transfer.

Good to read that. Now maybe people will cut Conroy some slack and see what he faces.
The sad part we can''t even fill the place and haven't for the last 15 years. For most of the season it goes more than half empty. We can't fill Yulman it now goes more than have empty. Baseball draws less then 500 now about the same as basketball it goes about more than half empty. We have one of the smallest fan bases in D1 athletics and it keeps getting smaller. It would actually be nice to fill these small venues once in awhile. Every kid wants to play on a big stage. Some get the opportunity and others don't have the talent to allow for it.

The answer is not to cut Conroy slack, the answer is to ask why we have the kind of coaches who would take a job with this facilities plan.

The number of fans in the seats DOES NOT have anything to do with the size of the fanbase. Just because people aren't there doesn't mean they aren't Tulane fans, it just means they have quit on the Cowen/Dickson Tulane Model which continues to produce disastrous results. They all know that nothing has changed and would come back if they tried anything new and successful.

Well stated.

[Show Me]

T-P:

http://www.nola.com/tulane/index.ssf/20 ... _index.ssf

High school gym reason for at least one transfer.

That's really brilliant. Did the guy not know the size of the facility and fan base before signing. A bunch of BS knocking the fan base. If he had any balls he would put his name out there. What a loser.

[winwave]

T-P:

http://www.nola.com/tulane/index.ssf/20 ... _index.ssf

High school gym reason for at least one transfer.

That's really brilliant. Did the guy not know the size of the facility and fan base before signing. A bunch of BS knocking the fan base. If he had any balls he would put his name out there. What a loser.

Was probably shown the SKC which is why we play one game a year there. That allows us to call it a home venue and show it to recruits.

[Show Me]

T-P:

http://www.nola.com/tulane/index.ssf/20 ... _index.ssf

High school gym reason for at least one transfer.

That's really brilliant. Did the guy not know the size of the facility and fan base before signing. A bunch of BS knocking the fan base. If he had any balls he would put his name out there. What a loser.

Was probably shown the SKC which is why we play one game a year there. That allows us to call it a home venue and show it to recruits.

No he probably wasn't. Before this year we haven't played there since Dave Dickerson.

[winwave]

T-P:

http://www.nola.com/tulane/index.ssf/20 ... _index.ssf

High school gym reason for at least one transfer.

That's really brilliant. Did the guy not know the size of the facility and fan base before signing. A bunch of BS knocking the fan base. If he had any balls he would put his name out there. What a loser.

Was probably shown the SKC which is why we play one game a year there. That allows us to call it a home venue and show it to recruits.

No he probably wasn't. Before this year we haven't played there since Dave Dickerson.

We have played there under EC.

[Profoundwizard]

T-P:

http://www.nola.com/tulane/index.ssf/20 ... _index.ssf

High school gym reason for at least one transfer.

That's really brilliant. Did the guy not know the size of the facility and fan base before signing. A bunch of BS knocking the fan base. If he had any balls he would put his name out there. What a loser.

Agreed. I don't care if he was shown the SKC if he knew anything about the program he'd have known where most home games are played

[Jonathan]

Who cares. He has gone.

[tpstulane]

I did some checking since posting yesterday.
First off. As far as the high school gym quote, let's just say it came from a parent who's kid played here prior to the multi million dollar Devlin renovations. Someone that perhaps wants to play on a "big stage".

Back to Stark. It was a mutual thing. Let's just say he liked to play offense over defense.
Being forced to play a tough defense could perhaps hurt offensive numbers.

On this rare occasion I have to agree with Jonathan "Who cares. He has gone".

[winwave]

The $10 million took out 400 seats so the HS gym comment would still hold. In fact it would be even more true.

So the staff ran off their starting PG. They scouted and recruited him. They should have known that if it's true. Again this is information given after the fact which could certainly be made to cover his butt.

Yes he is gone as is our other PG. Somehow that's supposed to be a good thing. Well since he ran him off I'm sure he has super stud defensive minded PG all lined up to replace him.

[mbawavefan12]

The fact remains that under EC he has lost 3 of his 4 best players to transfer and his best recruit. That doesn't occur in any decent program. On the flip side we have signed two transfers who were not getting minutes (Davis 10 MPG, Morgan 15 MPG + coming off a bad injury). I hope Morgan works out like Davis.
I understand that publicly EC has to spin this as "hey this is the reality in college basketball" the shame is that internally the RD athletics program probably also uses that excuse in meetings instead of figuring out how to fix the problem.
As for the gym, I have long argued that it is a problem and coaches use it against us in recruiting and soliciting transfers. It also is a tangible example of our lack of commitment. Even if we fix this mess, Devlin will always limit our capacity to earn revenue and expand the fanbase. Spending $10mm and not adding seats on the an arena that is literally half the size of the next smallest peer facility was absurd. It wreaks that TU doesn't get it.

[mbawavefan12]

T-P:

http://www.nola.com/tulane/index.ssf/20 ... _index.ssf

High school gym reason for at least one transfer.

That's really brilliant. Did the guy not know the size of the facility and fan base before signing. A bunch of BS knocking the fan base. If he had any balls he would put his name out there. What a loser.

Agreed. I don't care if he was shown the SKC if he knew anything about the program he'd have known where most home games are played

I am sure he knew but the context is that he played well enough at TU to prove himself to a program with a better facility and fanbase, so why stay playing in a HS gym with 500 people watching. That's basically what we are, a minor league program for the programs that desire to make the NCAAs and put butts in the seats.

[tpstulane]

The $10 million took out 400 seats so the HS gym comment would still hold. In fact it would be even more true.

So the staff ran off their starting PG. They scouted and recruited him. They should have known that if it's true. Again this is information given after the fact which could certainly be made to cover his butt.

Yes he is gone as is our other PG. Somehow that's supposed to be a good thing. Well since he ran him off I'm sure he has super stud defensive minded PG all lined up to replace him.

It was mutual. We don't draw in any sport at Tulane.

[tpstulane]

T-P:

http://www.nola.com/tulane/index.ssf/20 ... _index.ssf

High school gym reason for at least one transfer.

That's really brilliant. Did the guy not know the size of the facility and fan base before signing. A bunch of BS knocking the fan base. If he had any balls he would put his name out there. What a loser.

Agreed. I don't care if he was shown the SKC if he knew anything about the program he'd have known where most home games are played

I am sure he knew but the context is that he played well enough at TU to prove himself to a program with a better facility and fanbase, so why stay playing in a HS gym with 500 people watching. That's basically what we are, a minor league program for the programs that desire to make the NCAAs and put butts in the seats.

I think this is why you see hundreds of kids transferring every year. Good ones want a better situation, others want a change of scenery. Some think they should be playing more. Bad ones get run off. We don't know where Stark is going yet.

[mbawavefan12]

The $10 million took out 400 seats so the HS gym comment would still hold. In fact it would be even more true.

So the staff ran off their starting PG. They scouted and recruited him. They should have known that if it's true. Again this is information given after the fact which could certainly be made to cover his butt.

Yes he is gone as is our other PG. Somehow that's supposed to be a good thing. Well since he ran him off I'm sure he has super stud defensive minded PG all lined up to replace him.

It was mutual.

Well if we don;t sign an experienced PG, then EC is an idiot. Sounds like typical spin to me, until further notice of course. You don;t go into your make or break year with a 170# freshman PG with one decent offer and absolutely no depth, it's pure insanity.

[tpstulane]

The $10 million took out 400 seats so the HS gym comment would still hold. In fact it would be even more true.

So the staff ran off their starting PG. They scouted and recruited him. They should have known that if it's true. Again this is information given after the fact which could certainly be made to cover his butt.

Yes he is gone as is our other PG. Somehow that's supposed to be a good thing. Well since he ran him off I'm sure he has super stud defensive minded PG all lined up to replace him.

It was mutual.

Well if we don;t sign an experienced PG, then EC is an idiot. Sounds like typical spin to me, until further notice of course. You don;t go into your make or break year with a 170# freshman PG with one decent offer.

I never said it was a good thing. I'd prefer he'd stayed. But the team concept is pushed by this staff.
They need kids that buy into that system. You can't have players that think as individual's in this system. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

[DfromCT]

There are 343 D1 basketball schools. Each has the ability to have 13 players on scholarship. That means that there are 4,459 scholarship players in D1. If 650 of them transfer every year (I'm taking the high end of the last 4 years) that's 15%. Any year that has more than 2 players leave the program before they graduate means you have more than the average # of transfers. We've averaged 4, or double the average. Something isn't right.

[tpstulane]

There are 343 D1 basketball schools. Each has the ability to have 13 players on scholarship. That means that there are 4,459 scholarship players in D1. If 650 of them transfer every year (I'm taking the high end of the last 4 years) that's 15%. Any year that has more than 2 players leave the program before they graduate means you have more than the average # of transfers. We've averaged 4, or double the average. Something isn't right.

Yes. More than half that left should have never never never been signed under the old staff to begin with. Of all those transfers the only one I would have wanted to keep would be Tarrant. Davis graduated from Tulane. And if you remember he transferred here from NC St. Stark filled in for Tarrant admirably.

[winwave]

The $10 million took out 400 seats so the HS gym comment would still hold. In fact it would be even more true.

So the staff ran off their starting PG. They scouted and recruited him. They should have known that if it's true. Again this is information given after the fact which could certainly be made to cover his butt.

Yes he is gone as is our other PG. Somehow that's supposed to be a good thing. Well since he ran him off I'm sure he has super stud defensive minded PG all lined up to replace him.

It was mutual. We don't draw in any sport at Tulane.

The "mutual " lingo is for media purposes.

As for not drawing we don't draw in the two major sports b/c we don't have the facilities to attract quality coaches and players that would make us winners.

[tpstulane]

The $10 million took out 400 seats so the HS gym comment would still hold. In fact it would be even more true.

So the staff ran off their starting PG. They scouted and recruited him. They should have known that if it's true. Again this is information given after the fact which could certainly be made to cover his butt.

Yes he is gone as is our other PG. Somehow that's supposed to be a good thing. Well since he ran him off I'm sure he has super stud defensive minded PG all lined up to replace him.

It was mutual. We don't draw in any sport at Tulane.

The "mutual " lingo is for media purposes.

As for not drawing we don't draw in the two major sports b/c we don't have the facilities to attract quality coaches and players that would make us winners.

We can agree to disagree on why. But the fact remains we don't draw at Tulane and we have a very small fan base because of years of failure.

[mbawavefan12]

T-P:

http://www.nola.com/tulane/index.ssf/20 ... _index.ssf

High school gym reason for at least one transfer.

That's really brilliant. Did the guy not know the size of the facility and fan base before signing. A bunch of BS knocking the fan base. If he had any balls he would put his name out there. What a loser.

Agreed. I don't care if he was shown the SKC if he knew anything about the program he'd have known where most home games are played

I am sure he knew but the context is that he played well enough at TU to prove himself to a program with a better facility and fanbase, so why stay playing in a HS gym with 500 people watching. That's basically what we are, a minor league program for the programs that desire to make the NCAAs and put butts in the seats.

I think this is why you see hundreds of kids transferring every year. Good ones want a better situation, others want a change of scenery. Some think they should be playing more. Bad ones get run off. We don't know where Stark is going yet.

The real problem is that we are lesser program where our better players transfer out and we get players with potential flaws coming in, which is all on TU.

[tpstulane]

T-P:

http://www.nola.com/tulane/index.ssf/20 ... _index.ssf

High school gym reason for at least one transfer.

That's really brilliant. Did the guy not know the size of the facility and fan base before signing. A bunch of BS knocking the fan base. If he had any balls he would put his name out there. What a loser.

Agreed. I don't care if he was shown the SKC if he knew anything about the program he'd have known where most home games are played

I am sure he knew but the context is that he played well enough at TU to prove himself to a program with a better facility and fanbase, so why stay playing in a HS gym with 500 people watching. That's basically what we are, a minor league program for the programs that desire to make the NCAAs and put butts in the seats.

I think this is why you see hundreds of kids transferring every year. Good ones want a better situation, others want a change of scenery. Some think they should be playing more. Bad ones get run off. We don't know where Stark is going yet.

The real problem is that we are lesser program where our better players transfer out and we get players with potential flaws coming in, which is all on TU.

Yes. But look on the bright side. Ssome of the better programs have guys leave early as well. They turn pro. lol

[cajunfanatico]

The $10 million took out 400 seats so the HS gym comment would still hold. In fact it would be even more true.

So the staff ran off their starting PG. They scouted and recruited him. They should have known that if it's true. Again this is information given after the fact which could certainly be made to cover his butt.

Yes he is gone as is our other PG. Somehow that's supposed to be a good thing. Well since he ran him off I'm sure he has super stud defensive minded PG all lined up to replace him.

It was mutual. We don't draw in any sport at Tulane.

The "mutual " lingo is for media purposes.

As for not drawing we don't draw in the two major sports b/c we don't have the facilities to attract quality coaches and players that would make us winners.

We can agree to disagree on why. But the fact remains we don't draw at Tulane and we have a very small fan base because of years of failure.

Regardless of context and the fact that the speaker is anonymous, if indeed he was the father of a former Tulane player who transferred out, then his comment gives some insight into both what's important to the kids playing and how the facility is viewed by those who are not Tulane alumni or life-long fans.

"I would think it would be more playing on a bigger stage. If you look at it, it seems like you are playing in high school gym with no fan base and you if you get to the point where you can play in front of a larger fan base in a nicer facility, you know what I mean."

Unfortunately, there's a chance that same sentiment will ultimately be applied to Yulman by players considering transferring out. The Wave needs wins, big ones, and lots of 'em soon to hang on to and recruit the best talent available. Yulman packed with rabid Wave fans would be an almost unique experience at our level of play and would certainly be a challenging place for opposing teams to compete and win. A mostly empty Yulman will be viewed by opposing teams and fans as not much of an upgrade over a top high school program.