Shame on you Tulane administration!

[jonathanjoseph]

Some asked me why Rummel v. Jesuit isn't being played at Yulman...it's simple dollars. Neighborhood agreement means high cost of gameday ops

There will be no HS games at Yulman until a change is made in the City Council agreement since it requires added police, sanitation, etc...

Info comes from #Tulane's game day manager John Lange, who I spoke to several times before the season. I don't believe anything has changed

https://twitter.com/ScottDKushner

[tpstulane]

Scott is being lied to. How could we lose money if there are 10-15k people at the games. Yes we'd lose money on Cohen vs Carver. It's total BS Jesuit vs Rummel is cost prohibited. It's a typical BS line Tulane is using. That would be not much less than what we now really draw.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Tulane should be leveraging Yulman as much as possible. Anyone who attends a Jesuit or Rummel or BM game at Yulman is a prospective customer/fan for Tulane. Security and concession workers aren't that expensive. And the Catholic schools could share in that cost.

This is about not wanting to irritate the NIMBYs.

[tpstulane]

Tulane should be leveraging Yulman as much as possible. Anyone who attends a Jesuit or Rummel or BM game at Yulman is a prospective customer/fan for Tulane. Security and concession workers aren't that expensive. And the Catholic schools could share in that cost.

This is about not wanting to irritate the NIMBYs.

+1
Our coaches this weekend are around the state recruiting. How nice if a few could stay back and watch Rummel kids at Yulman.

[jonathanjoseph]

Tulane should be leveraging Yulman as much as possible. Anyone who attends a Jesuit or Rummel or BM game at Yulman is a prospective customer/fan for Tulane. Security and concession workers aren't that expensive. And the Catholic schools could share in that cost.

This is about not wanting to irritate the NIMBYs.

Which is insane at this point. That Tulane's President has been politically dominated by a handful of bored housewives is an utter embarrassment for him, and to the detriment of Tulane as usual.

[mbawavefan12]

Scott is being lied to. How could we lose money if there are 10-15k people at the games. Yes we'd lose money on Cohen vs Carver. It's total BS Jesuit vs Rummel is cost prohibited. It's a typical BS line Tulane is using. That would be not much less than what we now really draw.

Right, the schools would share in the cost and I wonder whether Tulane considers the soft marketing value, recruiting value etc. How many people would go to that game and then want to go to a TU game or become fans of TU or watch the product on TV and then become fans. How many students in attendance would then consider attending TU or parents wanting to send their kids there. Ticket sales, concessions and parking, give me a break. Typical garbage short sighted nonsense. Not to mention they are complaining about an agreement they signed off on.

[WaveCan]

Scott is being lied to. How could we lose money if there are 10-15k people at the games. Yes we'd lose money on Cohen vs Carver. It's total BS Jesuit vs Rummel is cost prohibited. It's a typical BS line Tulane is using. That would be not much less than what we now really draw.

Right, the schools would share in the cost and I wonder whether Tulane considers the soft marketing value, recruiting value etc. How many people would go to that game and then want to go to a TU game or become fans of TU or watch the product on TV and then become fans. How many students in attendance would then consider attending TU or parents wanting to send their kids there. Ticket sales, concessions and parking, give me a break. Typical garbage short sighted nonsense. Not to mention they are complaining about an agreement they signed off on.

+1
Even if it may be truly cost prohibitive to host a game every single available weekend, it still should be done for big games like this weekend and certainly for playoffs even if it means a financial loss to Tulane for the night. Big games in HS can create lifetime memories for the players, coaches, parents, and fans. By having those memories made at Yulman, you immediately make the place special to a group of potential customers and make them more inclined to go back for a Tulane game. You provide a player the chance to play college ball on the same field where he won a huge game in high school.

[winwave]

You have to remember that the schools want to make money too. So they will want a share of the concessions ,parking,et al. When you throw in the cost of the shuttle, police, sanitation it probably reaches a point where the schools aren't interested.

[tpstulane]

You have to remember that the schools want to make money too. So they will want a share of the concessions ,parking,et al. When you throw in the cost of the shuttle, police, sanitation it probably reaches a point where the schools aren't interested.

Yenni holds only 5-7K The schools make most of the money on ticket sales. They could both double that amount if played at Yulman. HS concessions make little if any money. Tulane hasn't approached any schools. The NIMBY concern is paramount.

[winwave]

You have to remember that the schools want to make money too. So they will want a share of the concessions ,parking,et al. When you throw in the cost of the shuttle, police, sanitation it probably reaches a point where the schools aren't interested.

Yenni holds only 5-7K The schools make most of the money on ticket sales. They could both double that amount if played at Yulman. HS concessions make little if any money. Tulane hasn't approached any schools. The NIMBY concern is paramount.

Once again the coast of playing at Yulman is overlooked. Those other stadiums don't have near the overhead it would cost at Tulane b/c of Tulane's agreement w/the city.

Plus Rummel does believe they have a home field advantage at Yenni. Many more of their fans in attendance than the opponent there than at Tulane.

[tpstulane]

The cost can simply be offset by a sponsor such as FNBC, Cox, or All State etc. This is done for HS games at the dome. The bottom line is that Tulane has spent close to $100 million on a facility that can only be used 6-7 times a year. What a disgrace for a so called "community" stadium.

[dz1]

How much do you really think a sponsor is going to put up for a high school game??? TV is not an option either. Nobody is going to broadcast a high school game at 3:00PM on a Saturday.

[tpstulane]

How much do you really think a sponsor is going to put up for a high school game??? TV is not an option either. Nobody is going to broadcast a high school game at 3:00PM on a Saturday.

It's an option. Getting off track. The bottom line is we are never going to have high school games at Yulman. We were lied to. Tulane can make money with 10-15K people in the stadium. It's a lie if you believe it costs $100,000 a game to open Yulman.

[winwave]

How much do you really think a sponsor is going to put up for a high school game??? TV is not an option either. Nobody is going to broadcast a high school game at 3:00PM on a Saturday.

This.

[tpstulane]

How much do you really think a sponsor is going to put up for a high school game??? TV is not an option either. Nobody is going to broadcast a high school game at 3:00PM on a Saturday.

This.

More like Tulane lying as usual.
Just for your info FNBC sponsors many HS baseball games on TV. The are broadcasted on tape delay as to not impact the crowd. Usually a day or so after on WNOL TV. Jesuit vs HC football was on TV earlier this year and was sponsored by FNBC. They will never be shown live on TV unless it's on ESPN like St Aug vs Curtis was on last year. So playing on a Sat afternoon has no bearing on a sponsor.

[Show Me]

Tulane is to blame for no high school games being at Yulman. They did it to themselves and as tps has said lied to football fans when they called it a community stadium. If it's true and they agreed to the terms then they have no one to blame but themselves.

[mbawavefan12]

These arguments r absurd. Playing this game at a brand new nola stadium with a huge hd screen turns this into a city wide event. The marketing value is endless. Parents, fans and players would be so excited. People who have never been in the tu bubble would b exposed to the beautiful campus. Hell, tu students, especially our large northern contigent who has never seen big time HS fball, would show up. For the players, knowing that u are on a field where major d1 athletes play is enormous.

Look, we r in a battle to build a fanbase. We were willing to spend 50k for a cbi game with 500 people in attendance. This is another mistake. A beautiful uptown day with 1000's being introduced to the stadium and campus. Give me a break. The only argument is rummell trying to protect home field but a good salesman can overcome that problem. As far as filming, content is king and people would watch, even on delay. For sponsorship, that is easy and just reduces ur bottom line. Missing opportunities like this is just bad. If pov's from folks like me or tps are wrong, then give a detailed response why. Saying we won't make money is garbage and perhaps a sign that u don't understand the market, product and what u r trying/need to build. Nola is the most insulated southern city, we need to build that fanbase

[winwave]

How much do you really think a sponsor is going to put up for a high school game??? TV is not an option either. Nobody is going to broadcast a high school game at 3:00PM on a Saturday.

This.

More like Tulane lying as usual.
Just for your info FNBC sponsors many HS baseball games on TV. The are broadcasted on tape delay as to not impact the crowd. Usually a day or so after on WNOL TV. Jesuit vs HC football was on TV earlier this year and was sponsored by FNBC. They will never be shown live on TV unless it's on ESPN like St Aug vs Curtis was on last year. So playing on a Sat afternoon has no bearing on a sponsor.

HC v. Jesuit was shown live. More importantly it was played at Gormley which has much lower overhead than at Tulane due to the agreement w/the city.

[winwave]

These arguments r absurd. Playing this game at a brand new nola stadium with a huge hd screen turns this into a city wide event. The marketing value is endless. Parents, fans and players would be so excited. People who have never been in the tu bubble would b exposed to the beautiful campus. Hell, tu students, especially our large northern contigent who has never seen big time HS fball, would show up. For the players, knowing that u are on a field where major d1 athletes play is enormous.

Look, we r in a battle to build a fanbase. We were willing to spend 50k for a cbi game with 500 people in attendance. This is another mistake. A beautiful uptown day with 1000's being introduced to the stadium and campus. Give me a break. The only argument is rummell trying to protect home field but a good salesman can overcome that problem. As far as filming, content is king and people would watch, even on delay. For sponsorship, that is easy and just reduces ur bottom line. Missing opportunities like this is just bad. If pov's from folks like me or tps are wrong, then give a detailed response why. Saying we won't make money is garbage and perhaps a sign that u don't understand the market, product and what u r trying/need to build. Nola is the most insulated southern city, we need to build that fanbase

What's being discussed is the money the schools can make. Tulane has to have all the same things in place for HS games as they do for Tulane games. No one is saying money can't be made . It's just that the schools can make more at Gormley which actually seats 4,000 more and has much lower cost associated w/it. Plus Gormley is revered by locals w/regards to HS football. There isn't much market for tape delayed HS football. There's just not.

[tpstulane]

These arguments r absurd. Playing this game at a brand new nola stadium with a huge hd screen turns this into a city wide event. The marketing value is endless. Parents, fans and players would be so excited. People who have never been in the tu bubble would b exposed to the beautiful campus. Hell, tu students, especially our large northern contigent who has never seen big time HS fball, would show up. For the players, knowing that u are on a field where major d1 athletes play is enormous.

Look, we r in a battle to build a fanbase. We were willing to spend 50k for a cbi game with 500 people in attendance. This is another mistake. A beautiful uptown day with 1000's being introduced to the stadium and campus. Give me a break. The only argument is rummell trying to protect home field but a good salesman can overcome that problem. As far as filming, content is king and people would watch, even on delay. For sponsorship, that is easy and just reduces ur bottom line. Missing opportunities like this is just bad. If pov's from folks like me or tps are wrong, then give a detailed response why. Saying we won't make money is garbage and perhaps a sign that u don't understand the market, product and what u r trying/need to build. Nola is the most insulated southern city, we need to build that fanbase

What's being discussed is the money the schools can make. Tulane has to have all the same things in place for HS games as they do for Tulane games. No one is saying money can't be made . It's just that the schools can make more at Gormley which actually seats 4,000 more and has much lower cost associated w/it. Plus Gormley is revered by locals w/regards to HS football. There isn't much market for tape delayed HS football. There's just not.

The idea of TV has nothing to do with not playing at Yulman. There's nothing stopping the game from being played on a Friday night. Tulane once again drops the ball and needs to be called out.
Gormley is fine for HS games. Yulman presents another option for fans and Tulane. We were promised HS games so that's either a lie or BS that Tulane or schools can't make money so it won't host HS games. Yenni holds 5-7k that's it at best. Both schools would double that in Yulman. In fact as a goodwill gesture Tulane could donate all profit to the LSHAA. That way in the future you get a little better favorable treatment for quality games.
This is the stuff that Tulane never seems to understand. The intrinsic value it could bring.

[winwave]

These arguments r absurd. Playing this game at a brand new nola stadium with a huge hd screen turns this into a city wide event. The marketing value is endless. Parents, fans and players would be so excited. People who have never been in the tu bubble would b exposed to the beautiful campus. Hell, tu students, especially our large northern contigent who has never seen big time HS fball, would show up. For the players, knowing that u are on a field where major d1 athletes play is enormous.

Look, we r in a battle to build a fanbase. We were willing to spend 50k for a cbi game with 500 people in attendance. This is another mistake. A beautiful uptown day with 1000's being introduced to the stadium and campus. Give me a break. The only argument is rummell trying to protect home field but a good salesman can overcome that problem. As far as filming, content is king and people would watch, even on delay. For sponsorship, that is easy and just reduces ur bottom line. Missing opportunities like this is just bad. If pov's from folks like me or tps are wrong, then give a detailed response why. Saying we won't make money is garbage and perhaps a sign that u don't understand the market, product and what u r trying/need to build. Nola is the most insulated southern city, we need to build that fanbase

What's being discussed is the money the schools can make. Tulane has to have all the same things in place for HS games as they do for Tulane games. No one is saying money can't be made . It's just that the schools can make more at Gormley which actually seats 4,000 more and has much lower cost associated w/it. Plus Gormley is revered by locals w/regards to HS football. There isn't much market for tape delayed HS football. There's just not.

The idea of TV has nothing to do with not playing at Yulman. There's nothing stopping the game from being played on a Friday night. Tulane once again drops the ball and needs to be called out.
Gormley is fine for HS games. Yulman presents another option for fans and Tulane. We were promised HS games so that's either a lie or BS that Tulane or schools can't make money so it won't host HS games. Yenni holds 5-7k that's it at best. Both schools would double that in Yulman. In fact as a goodwill gesture Tulane could donate all profit to the LSHAA. That way in the future you get a little better favorable treatment for quality games.
This is the stuff that Tulane never seems to understand. The intrinsic value it could bring.

First off teams have to WANT TO PLAY THERE. No matter what you say Rummel doesn't want to. We never get players from there. That involves there coach. It also involves the fact that those kids are die hard LSU fans. It also involves people who left the city to get away from crime. I'm sure there are other factors on their end. It doesn't matter what we think or want.

Next we all want the games played at Tulane. We all get the potential benefits. We all understand Tulane should be willing to spend money to build these relationships and eventually profit from them. We all know Tulane lies. But too many of our fans like to pick and choose which lies upset them. If you ignore one lie then you aid and abet them.

BTW, you are the one that brought TV into the conversation. So you obviously thought it mattered.

[tpstulane]

These arguments r absurd. Playing this game at a brand new nola stadium with a huge hd screen turns this into a city wide event. The marketing value is endless. Parents, fans and players would be so excited. People who have never been in the tu bubble would b exposed to the beautiful campus. Hell, tu students, especially our large northern contigent who has never seen big time HS fball, would show up. For the players, knowing that u are on a field where major d1 athletes play is enormous.

Look, we r in a battle to build a fanbase. We were willing to spend 50k for a cbi game with 500 people in attendance. This is another mistake. A beautiful uptown day with 1000's being introduced to the stadium and campus. Give me a break. The only argument is rummell trying to protect home field but a good salesman can overcome that problem. As far as filming, content is king and people would watch, even on delay. For sponsorship, that is easy and just reduces ur bottom line. Missing opportunities like this is just bad. If pov's from folks like me or tps are wrong, then give a detailed response why. Saying we won't make money is garbage and perhaps a sign that u don't understand the market, product and what u r trying/need to build. Nola is the most insulated southern city, we need to build that fanbase

What's being discussed is the money the schools can make. Tulane has to have all the same things in place for HS games as they do for Tulane games. No one is saying money can't be made . It's just that the schools can make more at Gormley which actually seats 4,000 more and has much lower cost associated w/it. Plus Gormley is revered by locals w/regards to HS football. There isn't much market for tape delayed HS football. There's just not.

The idea of TV has nothing to do with not playing at Yulman. There's nothing stopping the game from being played on a Friday night. Tulane once again drops the ball and needs to be called out.
Gormley is fine for HS games. Yulman presents another option for fans and Tulane. We were promised HS games so that's either a lie or BS that Tulane or schools can't make money so it won't host HS games. Yenni holds 5-7k that's it at best. Both schools would double that in Yulman. In fact as a goodwill gesture Tulane could donate all profit to the LSHAA. That way in the future you get a little better favorable treatment for quality games.
This is the stuff that Tulane never seems to understand. The intrinsic value it could bring.

First off teams have to WANT TO PLAY THERE. No matter what you say Rummel doesn't want to. We never get players from there. That involves there coach. It also involves the fact that those kids are die hard LSU fans. It also involves people who left the city to get away from crime. I'm sure there are other factors on their end. It doesn't matter what we think or want.

Next we all want the games played at Tulane. We all get the potential benefits. We all understand Tulane should be willing to spend money to build these relationships and eventually profit from them. We all know Tulane lies. But too many of our fans like to pick and choose which lies upset them. If you ignore one lie then you aid and abet them.

BTW, you are the one that brought TV into the conversation. So you obviously thought it mattered.

No I didn't bring up TV mba did. I choose to fight battles that I may actually have some influence like this one. I know both AD's very well and I going to find out first hand if they were even contacted. My Tulane sources tell me they are more concerned about upsetting the 4 NIMBY's.
I brought this up because it would be great if Tulane had balls and started hosting some marque HS games when The team is out of town or off. This was promised as part of getting the community stadium. Being cost prohibitive is nothing but a lie and Tulane needs to be called out on it.

You could have even talked with our espn partners and had them send the crew down a week early for some cheap and excellent hs fball content.

[winwave]

How much do you really think a sponsor is going to put up for a high school game??? TV is not an option either. Nobody is going to broadcast a high school game at 3:00PM on a Saturday.

This.

More like Tulane lying as usual.
Just for your info FNBC sponsors many HS baseball games on TV. The are broadcasted on tape delay as to not impact the crowd. Usually a day or so after on WNOL TV. Jesuit vs HC football was on TV earlier this year and was sponsored by FNBC. They will never be shown live on TV unless it's on ESPN like St Aug vs Curtis was on last year. So playing on a Sat afternoon has no bearing on a sponsor.

This is what I was referring to. Before you edited it you talked about the tape delay aspect of the deal.

[tpstulane]

How much do you really think a sponsor is going to put up for a high school game??? TV is not an option either. Nobody is going to broadcast a high school game at 3:00PM on a Saturday.

This.

More like Tulane lying as usual.
Just for your info FNBC sponsors many HS baseball games on TV. The are broadcasted on tape delay as to not impact the crowd. Usually a day or so after on WNOL TV. Jesuit vs HC football was on TV earlier this year and was sponsored by FNBC. They will never be shown live on TV unless it's on ESPN like St Aug vs Curtis was on last year. So playing on a Sat afternoon has no bearing on a sponsor.

This is what I was referring to. Before you edited it you talked about the tape delay aspect of the deal.

That was after mba brought up that espn could come in.
I DVR games all the time and watch them later. Kids would love to be on TV even if it wasn't live. I'm not sure of your point on TV. CST shows re-run football games all the time.

[winwave]

You're in the minority as to watching those games. Most people don't even know they are on much less have time to watch when they are show. My point was that finding TV sponsors to cover the much higher overhead at Tulane is not likely since they would be asked to put up more than usual.

Like I said above we all want the games played there but Tulane screwed up as usual.