Yulman Expansion

[GreenPuddleSplash]

I'm still waiting for a high school game to be played there. Typical Tulane BS.

Let's get granular on decision making. Cowen proposed the stadium and raised needed funding initially strong and hard as a Community Stadium with significant other events especially high school football. NIMBY's stopped this and if you recall Tulane's proposal was in effect politically halted by City Council.

Tulane regrouped and reached a compromise with NIMBY's and City Council which restricted high school games to at most one per week but with such stringent neighborhood/traffic policing requirements that such events became financially unfeasible. Not even Jesuit can afford to play there under these terms.

Would you rather Tulane have walked away from building Yulman because it could not be a true Community Stadium? That's a legitimate position and obviously others here believe building Yulman was a mistake but perhaps for other reasons. Is it "Typical Tulane BS" that they compromised to build it? Again let's focus on the core issue and not extraneous stuff.

You want change here? It must be political. There is a straightforward solution. Organize the students on campus to register and vote in local elections. You could even have a student candidate to seal the deal. You think the students as voters might favor concerts and other events in Yulman? Including students at Loyola and in nearby apartments that's over 10,000 potential voters. More than enough to control the local District race and probably one if not both Council Members at Large and effect any legal change needed for Yulman. Twenty NIMBYs on Audubon Blvd would no longer control here. Are you ready to act?

But yet Tulane let this happen. So the deal Tulane accepted has made it virtually impossible to make the stadium work as promised. So in summary it's really too small for a legit D1 program, it's too costly for high schools, and concerts along with other attractions are prohibited. Just insane.

In effect, you're saying Tulane should have walked and not built Yulman over the "Community" event issue. Legit position. BTW who wrote the rule that Yulman is "really too small for a legit D1 program?" There is alot of conventional wisdom in your remark. Sort of like the unwritten "Code of Baseball." Would Tulane have been chosen yesterday if it played all its games in very nice pro venues with "legit D1 program" capacity: SD, SKA and Baby Cakes Field (or whatever they will call Zephyr?)

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... -expansion

Look how many Premier League soccer stadia have smaller capacity than Yulman including one at 11,500. Leicester, (Defending League Champ) has field that seats 32,300. This is the richest league in the world with global TV revenues and ratings that surpass the NFLs and dwarf the SEC. What do they have in common though? You have to win to stay there (or at least not lose.) Stadium capacity is irrelevant with largest stadium 6x+ the size of the smallest. That's what "legit D1 programs" do and Tulane hasn't. Consistently win. It's been 65 years since Tulane could claim that mantle. Sorry but this ain't about Yulman or the SD. It's about what you do between the lines. That's my two cents.

The Tulane administration negotiated from total weakness to begin with. SC wanted the stadium built while he was president. More money should have been raised and better planning gone into it. Tulane rushed this thing through without thinking about the long term ramifications. The parking, the height, the security, the noise, the ban of certain events all but killed this project's potential from the beginning. Tulane should have proposed a 50K stadium and backed down from that point. That way you would have ended up with a double deck 35K-40 stadium all around and the NIMBY's could brag that they won. But instead Tulane did everything just to get the thing built while Cowen was still president. And now we are stuck hoping Dannen can fix this mess.

What about ripping up the premium seats/ theater seating and replacing it with all bleacher seats like most major older stadiums? Yeah, the few heavy donors will be mad, but that way you can at least increase capacity by minimum 3-5k+. It's not like those people go to the games and fill up the premium seating anyways. Happy Tuesday, Roll DAMN wave!

[mbawavefan12]

I'm still waiting for a high school game to be played there. Typical Tulane BS.

Let's get granular on decision making. Cowen proposed the stadium and raised needed funding initially strong and hard as a Community Stadium with significant other events especially high school football. NIMBY's stopped this and if you recall Tulane's proposal was in effect politically halted by City Council.

Tulane regrouped and reached a compromise with NIMBY's and City Council which restricted high school games to at most one per week but with such stringent neighborhood/traffic policing requirements that such events became financially unfeasible. Not even Jesuit can afford to play there under these terms.

Would you rather Tulane have walked away from building Yulman because it could not be a true Community Stadium? That's a legitimate position and obviously others here believe building Yulman was a mistake but perhaps for other reasons. Is it "Typical Tulane BS" that they compromised to build it? Again let's focus on the core issue and not extraneous stuff.

You want change here? It must be political. There is a straightforward solution. Organize the students on campus to register and vote in local elections. You could even have a student candidate to seal the deal. You think the students as voters might favor concerts and other events in Yulman? Including students at Loyola and in nearby apartments that's over 10,000 potential voters. More than enough to control the local District race and probably one if not both Council Members at Large and effect any legal change needed for Yulman. Twenty NIMBYs on Audubon Blvd would no longer control here. Are you ready to act?

But yet Tulane let this happen. So the deal Tulane accepted has made it virtually impossible to make the stadium work as promised. So in summary it's really too small for a legit D1 program, it's too costly for high schools, and concerts along with other attractions are prohibited. Just insane.

In effect, you're saying Tulane should have walked and not built Yulman over the "Community" event issue. Legit position. BTW who wrote the rule that Yulman is "really too small for a legit D1 program?" There is alot of conventional wisdom in your remark. Sort of like the unwritten "Code of Baseball." Would Tulane have been chosen yesterday if it played all its games in very nice pro venues with "legit D1 program" capacity: SD, SKA and Baby Cakes Field (or whatever they will call Zephyr?)

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... -expansion

Look how many Premier League soccer stadia have smaller capacity than Yulman including one at 11,500. Leicester, (Defending League Champ) has field that seats 32,300. This is the richest league in the world with global TV revenues and ratings that surpass the NFLs and dwarf the SEC. What do they have in common though? You have to win to stay there (or at least not lose.) Stadium capacity is irrelevant with largest stadium 6x+ the size of the smallest. That's what "legit D1 programs" do and Tulane hasn't. Consistently win. It's been 65 years since Tulane could claim that mantle. Sorry but this ain't about Yulman or the SD. It's about what you do between the lines. That's my two cents.

The Tulane administration negotiated from total weakness to begin with. SC wanted the stadium built while he was president. More money should have been raised and better planning gone into it. Tulane rushed this thing through without thinking about the long term ramifications. The parking, the height, the security, the noise, the ban of certain events all killed this project from the beginning. Tulane should have proposed a 50K stadium and backed down from that point. That way you would have ended up with a double deck 35K-40 stadium all around and the NIMBY's could brag that they won. But instead Tulane did everything just to get the thing built while Cowen was still president. And now we are stuck hoping Dannen can fix this mess.

This is why our position is so tenuous, IMO. The tiny stadium (like Bball) makes it hard to build up the program but expansion is really off limits until fans/donors/students/alums see some light at the end of the tunnel. But getting there is difficult when we can't even provide mustard to our fans. When parking remains dicey. When tailgating requires all this nonsense.

This is why the first focus has to be on support assets (weight rooms, meeting rooms, health/wellness, student support staff/assets, IPF (longer term), training facility etc.). Get that done ASAP. We also have to solve this JUCO nonsense, I mean the point of a student going to JUCO is to improve their grades (largely), as a deep south school we have to understand that some of the K-12 schooling is lacking so let these kids go to JUCO then realize their dream of D1 football and a top 50 degree.

Build up the program and in the mean time hope someone steps up to expand if possible. Host outside events to attract locals and add a few $'s to the budget.

[tpstulane]

What about ripping up the premium seats/ theater seating and replacing it with all bleacher seats like most major older stadiums? Yeah, the few heavy donors will be mad, but that way you can at least increase capacity by minimum 3-5k+. It's not like those people go to the games and fill up the premium seating anyways. Happy Tuesday, Roll DAMN wave!

That wouldn't be worth it. One purpose of building this stadium was to generate more revenue by being able to charge more for chair-back seats and requiring a higher donation. The seats are small already and it wouldn't create that many more spots. The problem is on the high school West side where a double deck needs to be constructed. Anything short of that is just a waste IMO. Houston built what we should have built. Instead we choose to follow what SMU did.

[winwave]

We can't even get a "hot" Hot Dog yet somehow we think that they can add 20K more seats.
Not going to happen in my lifetime.

Engineering technology exists to expand the stadium to adequate capacity. All you have to look at is numerous English soccer stadia redesigned to substitute seats for standing room only in 1990s/2000's. Virtually everyone of these venues was urban landlocked similar to Yulman.

Issue is and always has been politics/NIMBYs and then budgeting it institutionally.

Then let them show us the plans that show the stadium at its fullest capacity. Also, let them tell us that they realize that to be taken seriously it can't be allowed to sit as is.

Again, friend, it's not the engineering or the architecture. Spend a day watching NBCSN or BeIN or FS1's coverage of European top level soccer and you will see numerous stadia like Yulman with similar footprints. If you prefer, you can simply do a Wikipedia search and go to the stadium websites. You can even check out Google Earth if want more detail and perspective. Your jaw will drop. They could build (or usually remodel) that size of stadium in a densely packed urban area? You'll think you're looking at Yulman on steroids in repeated examples.

It's the judgment and the will and the budget that matter here. For those of you who believe it's the size of Yulman and attendance that is critical for P5 status then quit wasting time and energy on hot dogs and condiments and focus on what really matters. Does anyone think that Bowlsby and friends heard from any of the 11 finalists that "Our OCS has the best concessions or worst and we need P5 status to fix it"? Lobby the Tulane Board and the City Council in a serious and professional manner to achieve needed expansion. This won't be easy to persuade them but it's doable. But please start by focusing on what matters.

Just my two cents.

You're so inflicted w/the yoggie mentality of always trying to turn it on the fans. The fact is the place is a lot more restricted space wise than you care to admit b/c it doesn't fit your agenda. Like I said you can't expand on the south end b/c it abuts Reilly. They aren't tearing it down. Other additions only add maybe 9,000 seats. Too damn small to impress recruits that can elevate the program to its full potential. That's what we are talking about not P5.

Again, friend, you're factually wrong. Space is there. Political will, institutional judgment and cash are not.

Sorry yoggie but as usual you are dead wrong and have your head buried in the sand. The space is not there. Like I said the south end abuts Reilly and can't be expanded at all. The east side deck has 3k seats so adding three of those to the west, east and north gets you around 9k which leaves it still at least 10k short of legit. Then the fact is we probably can't expand on the west side due to the agreement.

[winwave]

I'm still waiting for a high school game to be played there. Typical Tulane BS.

Let's get granular on decision making. Cowen proposed the stadium and raised needed funding initially strong and hard as a Community Stadium with significant other events especially high school football. NIMBY's stopped this and if you recall Tulane's proposal was in effect politically halted by City Council.

Tulane regrouped and reached a compromise with NIMBY's and City Council which restricted high school games to at most one per week but with such stringent neighborhood/traffic policing requirements that such events became financially unfeasible. Not even Jesuit can afford to play there under these terms.

Would you rather Tulane have walked away from building Yulman because it could not be a true Community Stadium? That's a legitimate position and obviously others here believe building Yulman was a mistake but perhaps for other reasons. Is it "Typical Tulane BS" that they compromised to build it? Again let's focus on the core issue and not extraneous stuff.

You want change here? It must be political. There is a straightforward solution. Organize the students on campus to register and vote in local elections. You could even have a student candidate to seal the deal. You think the students as voters might favor concerts and other events in Yulman? Including students at Loyola and in nearby apartments that's over 10,000 potential voters. More than enough to control the local District race and probably one if not both Council Members at Large and effect any legal change needed for Yulman. Twenty NIMBYs on Audubon Blvd would no longer control here. Are you ready to act?

But yet Tulane let this happen. So the deal Tulane accepted has made it virtually impossible to make the stadium work as promised. So in summary it's really too small for a legit D1 program, it's too costly for high schools, and concerts along with other attractions are prohibited. Just insane.

In effect, you're saying Tulane should have walked and not built Yulman over the "Community" event issue. Legit position. BTW who wrote the rule that Yulman is "really too small for a legit D1 program?" There is alot of conventional wisdom in your remark. Sort of like the unwritten "Code of Baseball." Would Tulane have been chosen yesterday if it played all its games in very nice pro venues with "legit D1 program" capacity: SD, SKA and Baby Cakes Field (or whatever they will call Zephyr?)

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... -expansion

Look how many Premier League soccer stadia have smaller capacity than Yulman including one at 11,500. Leicester, (Defending League Champ) has field that seats 32,300. This is the richest league in the world with global TV revenues and ratings that surpass the NFLs and dwarf the SEC. What do they have in common though? You have to win to stay there (or at least not lose.) Stadium capacity is irrelevant with largest stadium 6x+ the size of the smallest. That's what "legit D1 programs" do and Tulane hasn't. Consistently win. It's been 65 years since Tulane could claim that mantle. Sorry but this ain't about Yulman or the SD. It's about what you do between the lines. That's my two cents.

Starting to think you are Rick Dickson , Jr. To win you need the players. The stadium is not a legit D-1n stadium and only a complete fool would argue otherwise. Sorry but that's just the truth. To get the players you need good facilities. They are going to take other visits and see other teams facilities. Ours will pale in contrast. Tulane royally screwed up. I believe in TD but he's only human.

[HoustonWave]

Previous administration let this happen. Now its up to current administration to fix it. I believe they will.

The damage has already been done IMO. Fixing it won't be easy and cheap. If even possible.

A tough picture to look at. So sad.

[golfnut69]

Previous administration let this happen. Now its up to current administration to fix it. I believe they will.

The damage has already been done IMO. Fixing it won't be easy and cheap. If even possible.

A tough picture to look at. So sad.

some of Tulane Stadium still exist....it is called the Independence Bowl, scenic Shreveport LA

[HoustonWave]

We can't even get a "hot" Hot Dog yet somehow we think that they can add 20K more seats.
Not going to happen in my lifetime.

Engineering technology exists to expand the stadium to adequate capacity. All you have to look at is numerous English soccer stadia redesigned to substitute seats for standing room only in 1990s/2000's. Virtually everyone of these venues was urban landlocked similar to Yulman.

Issue is and always has been politics/NIMBYs and then budgeting it institutionally.

Then let them show us the plans that show the stadium at its fullest capacity. Also, let them tell us that they realize that to be taken seriously it can't be allowed to sit as is.

Again, friend, it's not the engineering or the architecture. Spend a day watching NBCSN or BeIN or FS1's coverage of European top level soccer and you will see numerous stadia like Yulman with similar footprints. If you prefer, you can simply do a Wikipedia search and go to the stadium websites. You can even check out Google Earth if want more detail and perspective. Your jaw will drop. They could build (or usually remodel) that size of stadium in a densely packed urban area? You'll think you're looking at Yulman on steroids in repeated examples.

It's the judgment and the will and the budget that matter here. For those of you who believe it's the size of Yulman and attendance that is critical for P5 status then quit wasting time and energy on hot dogs and condiments and focus on what really matters. Does anyone think that Bowlsby and friends heard from any of the 11 finalists that "Our OCS has the best concessions or worst and we need P5 status to fix it"? Lobby the Tulane Board and the City Council in a serious and professional manner to achieve needed expansion. This won't be easy to persuade them but it's doable. But please start by focusing on what matters.

Just my two cents.

I've often wondered the same thing, about getting Tulane and Loyola students registered as voters in that district. I know as a freshman, many of us registered at Tulane and voted locally. That is a very legitimate strategy. Dannen is studying the problem, and hopefully will come up with a way to resolve our eventual need to expand Yulman. If he can't negotiate it, then taking the district over with student voters is a sound strategy--and the NIMBY's should know there could be other outcomes that they won't like that has nothing to do with Tulane.

[tpstulane]

Previous administration let this happen. Now its up to current administration to fix it. I believe they will.

The damage has already been done IMO. Fixing it won't be easy and cheap. If even possible.

A tough picture to look at. So sad.

No doubt. And to think that was in the NIMBY's backyard all those years.

[DfromCT]

I don't give a rats ass how many seats will be added if we add an upper deck on the Audubon Blvd side of the stadium. It's much more about aesthetics, which would be tremendously improved if we're not looking at the eyesore that exists today. Yes, there's room to do it, we just have to fight the NIMBY's to get it done. If the whole stadium was built for $70 million, it should be a $15-20 million expansion. They can move the media facility much higher, which will appease ESPN as well.

[HoustonWave]

I'm still waiting for a high school game to be played there. Typical Tulane BS.

Let's get granular on decision making. Cowen proposed the stadium and raised needed funding initially strong and hard as a Community Stadium with significant other events especially high school football. NIMBY's stopped this and if you recall Tulane's proposal was in effect politically halted by City Council.

Tulane regrouped and reached a compromise with NIMBY's and City Council which restricted high school games to at most one per week but with such stringent neighborhood/traffic policing requirements that such events became financially unfeasible. Not even Jesuit can afford to play there under these terms.

Would you rather Tulane have walked away from building Yulman because it could not be a true Community Stadium? That's a legitimate position and obviously others here believe building Yulman was a mistake but perhaps for other reasons. Is it "Typical Tulane BS" that they compromised to build it? Again let's focus on the core issue and not extraneous stuff.

You want change here? It must be political. There is a straightforward solution. Organize the students on campus to register and vote in local elections. You could even have a student candidate to seal the deal. You think the students as voters might favor concerts and other events in Yulman? Including students at Loyola and in nearby apartments that's over 10,000 potential voters. More than enough to control the local District race and probably one if not both Council Members at Large and effect any legal change needed for Yulman. Twenty NIMBYs on Audubon Blvd would no longer control here. Are you ready to act?

But yet Tulane let this happen. So the deal Tulane accepted has made it virtually impossible to make the stadium work as promised. So in summary it's really too small for a legit D1 program, it's too costly for high schools, and concerts along with other attractions are prohibited. Just insane.

In effect, you're saying Tulane should have walked and not built Yulman over the "Community" event issue. Legit position. BTW who wrote the rule that Yulman is "really too small for a legit D1 program?" There is alot of conventional wisdom in your remark. Sort of like the unwritten "Code of Baseball." Would Tulane have been chosen yesterday if it played all its games in very nice pro venues with "legit D1 program" capacity: SD, SKA and Baby Cakes Field (or whatever they will call Zephyr?)

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... -expansion

Look how many Premier League soccer stadia have smaller capacity than Yulman including one at 11,500. Leicester, (Defending League Champ) has field that seats 32,300. This is the richest league in the world with global TV revenues and ratings that surpass the NFLs and dwarf the SEC. What do they have in common though? You have to win to stay there (or at least not lose.) Stadium capacity is irrelevant with largest stadium 6x+ the size of the smallest. That's what "legit D1 programs" do and Tulane hasn't. Consistently win. It's been 65 years since Tulane could claim that mantle. Sorry but this ain't about Yulman or the SD. It's about what you do between the lines. That's my two cents.

The Tulane administration negotiated from total weakness to begin with. SC wanted the stadium built while he was president. More money should have been raised and better planning gone into it. Tulane rushed this thing through without thinking about the long term ramifications. The parking, the height, the security, the noise, the ban of certain events all but killed this project's potential from the beginning. Tulane should have proposed a 50K stadium and backed down from that point. That way you would have ended up with a double deck 35K-40 stadium all around and the NIMBY's could brag that they won. But instead Tulane did everything just to get the thing built while Cowen was still president. And now we are stuck hoping Dannen can fix this mess.

Cow/Dick demonstrated no long term strategy or planning on any of the athletic facilities. Turchin should have been built off Jefferson Highway. But Cow/Dick's hands off, whoever has the money first mentality, is what determined what got built where and when--ridiculous. Both Cowen and Dickson were flat lazy when it came to our athletic program--Dickson wouldn't even commit the mental effort and time to carve out a decent schedule. Spending as little time as possible and cutting corners was the Cow/Dick mantra on everything--both athletic and academic. Yes, the current regime will have undo this mess, like defusing an IED.

[tpstulane]

I don't give a rats ass how many seats will be added if we add an upper deck on the Audubon Blvd side of the stadium. It's much more about aesthetics, which would be tremendously improved if we're not looking at the eyesore that exists today. Yes, there's room to do it, we just have to fight the NIMBY's to get it done. If the whole stadium was built for $70 million, it should be a $15-20 million expansion. They can move the media facility much higher, which will appease ESPN as well.

I agree 100%.

[tpstulane]

... Spending as little time as possible and cutting corners was the Cow/Dick mantra on everything--both athletic and academic. Yes, the current regime will have undo this mess, like defusing an IED.

I agree 100%

[golfnut69]

... Spending as little time as possible and cutting corners was the Cow/Dick mantra on everything--both athletic and academic. Yes, the current regime will have undo this mess, like defusing an IED.

I agree 100%

Death to the Infidels !!!!!

[HoustonWave]

I don't give a rats ass how many seats will be added if we add an upper deck on the Audubon Blvd side of the stadium. It's much more about aesthetics, which would be tremendously improved if we're not looking at the eyesore that exists today. Yes, there's room to do it, we just have to fight the NIMBY's to get it done. If the whole stadium was built for $70 million, it should be a $15-20 million expansion. They can move the media facility much higher, which will appease ESPN as well.

Amen. A west side upper deck won't add as many seats as upper decks on the end zones or east side, but a west side deck will at least do away with the high school look of Yulman. The original design of Yulman was much better than what they let themselves get compromised into. When they started knee-jerking to the NIBMY's, and started cutting and pasting the design, it quickly became a Frankenstadium--resulting in its very odd look. It's still a great place to watch a game, but will have to be expanded, and will have to have symmetry added to get away from its bizarre appearance.

[tpstulane]

I don't give a rats ass how many seats will be added if we add an upper deck on the Audubon Blvd side of the stadium. It's much more about aesthetics, which would be tremendously improved if we're not looking at the eyesore that exists today. Yes, there's room to do it, we just have to fight the NIMBY's to get it done. If the whole stadium was built for $70 million, it should be a $15-20 million expansion. They can move the media facility much higher, which will appease ESPN as well.

Amen. A west side upper deck won't add as many seats as upper decks on the end zones or east side, but a west side deck will at least do away with the high school look of Yulman. The original design of Yulman was much better than what they let themselves get compromised into. When they started knee-jerking to the NIBMY's, and started cutting and pasting the design, it quickly became a Frankenstadium--resulting in its very odd look. It's still a great place to watch a game, but will have to be expanded, and will have to have symmetry added to get away from its bizarre appearance.

Right. It just was rushed to get up ASAP.

[RobertM320]

Just a hypothetical question. If Turchin had been built closer to Claiborne Ave, instead of keeping that parking lot, would that have allowed enough room to position Yulman to make it easier to expand on the North and South end zones? I'm not advocating redoing Turchin or anything, just wondering if that's the type of long range thinking that was lacking with RD in charge.

[IM42lane]

I don't give a rat's ass how many seats will be added if we add an upper deck on the Audubon Blvd side of the stadium. It's much more about aesthetics, which would be tremendously improved if we're not looking at the eyesore that exists today. Yes, there's room to do it, we just have to fight the NIMBY's to get it done. If the whole stadium was built for $70 million, it should be a $15 - 20 million expansion. They can move the media facility much higher, which will appease ESPN as well.

I agree 100%.

ANY expansion should ONLY involve the WEST side of Yulman, period. Building a double-deck expansion on that side MUST be paramount. Since the sun sets on that side of the stadium (and always has during my 65 years on earth), the double-decking would provide much-needed shade to parts of the playing field and some seating areas. I would even consider constructing a roof over most of that area to increase the shading and provide protection to the fans from bad weather.

However, people MUST start SHOWING UP to these games REGULARLY (please pay attention EAST side ticket holders) in order to create a NEED for any stadium expansion. If that NEED can not occur, then all of this expansion talk is totally useless.

Improved PARKING MUST also occur. Yes, I am still on that point after these many years, but that should also be part of the expansion equation.

[IM42lane]

Previous administration let this happen. Now its up to current administration to fix it. I believe they will.

The damage has already been done IMO. Fixing it won't be easy and cheap. If even possible.

A tough picture to look at. So sad.

DEPRESSING, to say the least.

[mbawavefan12]

I don't give a rat's ass how many seats will be added if we add an upper deck on the Audubon Blvd side of the stadium. It's much more about aesthetics, which would be tremendously improved if we're not looking at the eyesore that exists today. Yes, there's room to do it, we just have to fight the NIMBY's to get it done. If the whole stadium was built for $70 million, it should be a $15 - 20 million expansion. They can move the media facility much higher, which will appease ESPN as well.

I agree 100%.

ANY expansion should ONLY involve the WEST side of Yulman, period. Building a double-deck expansion on that side MUST be paramount. Since the sun sets on that side of the stadium (and always has during my 65 years on earth), the double-decking would provide much-needed shade to parts of the playing field and some seating areas. I would even consider constructing a roof over most of that area to increase the shading and provide protection to the fans from bad weather.

However, people MUST start SHOWING UP to these games REGULARLY (please pay attention EAST side ticket holders) in order to create a NEED for any stadium expansion. If that NEED can not occur, then all of this expansion talk is totally useless.

Improved PARKING MUST also occur. Yes, I am still on that point after these many years, but that should also be part of the expansion equation.

People absolutely will not show up unless there is a consistently competitive program. End of story. There are no short cuts. Even decent programs get their attendance decimated after only a few losing seasons.

[HoustonWave]

I don't give a rat's ass how many seats will be added if we add an upper deck on the Audubon Blvd side of the stadium. It's much more about aesthetics, which would be tremendously improved if we're not looking at the eyesore that exists today. Yes, there's room to do it, we just have to fight the NIMBY's to get it done. If the whole stadium was built for $70 million, it should be a $15 - 20 million expansion. They can move the media facility much higher, which will appease ESPN as well.

I agree 100%.

ANY expansion should ONLY involve the WEST side of Yulman, period. Building a double-deck expansion on that side MUST be paramount. Since the sun sets on that side of the stadium (and always has during my 65 years on earth), the double-decking would provide much-needed shade to parts of the playing field and some seating areas. I would even consider constructing a roof over most of that area to increase the shading and provide protection to the fans from bad weather.

However, people MUST start SHOWING UP to these games REGULARLY (please pay attention EAST side ticket holders) in order to create a NEED for any stadium expansion. If that NEED can not occur, then all of this expansion talk is totally useless.

Improved PARKING MUST also occur. Yes, I am still on that point after these many years, but that should also be part of the expansion equation.

A west side deck should have priority, but we'll have to add decks all around Yulman to get seating capacity to 40,000+. You could expand the east upper deck (Westfeldt Club) all the way around the two endzones, and add a third deck on the east side. If there is any compromise with the NIMBY's on expansion, I can't imagine any more than one upper deck on the west side. I do like your idea about a roof extension that would provide more shade--but can you imagine what would happen to that extended roof in a hurricane--it might remove the NIMBY's altogether.

[golfnut69]

regarding roofing....this is not rocket engineering....just use a retractable synthetic clothe type material....it is not that difficult we have one called a "Sun Setter" at the Lake house....I also proposed an inflatable roof using a helium type gas, much like the one at the ole metro dome in the twin cities, it too can be retracted as needed....

[winwave]

I don't give a rat's ass how many seats will be added if we add an upper deck on the Audubon Blvd side of the stadium. It's much more about aesthetics, which would be tremendously improved if we're not looking at the eyesore that exists today. Yes, there's room to do it, we just have to fight the NIMBY's to get it done. If the whole stadium was built for $70 million, it should be a $15 - 20 million expansion. They can move the media facility much higher, which will appease ESPN as well.

I agree 100%.

ANY expansion should ONLY involve the WEST side of Yulman, period. Building a double-deck expansion on that side MUST be paramount. Since the sun sets on that side of the stadium (and always has during my 65 years on earth), the double-decking would provide much-needed shade to parts of the playing field and some seating areas. I would even consider constructing a roof over most of that area to increase the shading and provide protection to the fans from bad weather.

However, people MUST start SHOWING UP to these games REGULARLY (please pay attention EAST side ticket holders) in order to create a NEED for any stadium expansion. If that NEED can not occur, then all of this expansion talk is totally useless.

Improved PARKING MUST also occur. Yes, I am still on that point after these many years, but that should also be part of the expansion equation.

A west side deck should have priority, but we'll have to add decks all around Yulman to get seating capacity to 40,000+. You could expand the east upper deck (Westfeldt Club) all the way around the two endzones, and add a third deck on the east side. If there is any compromise with the NIMBY's on expansion, I can't imagine any more than one upper deck on the west side. I do like your idea about a roof extension that would provide more shade--but can you imagine what would happen to that extended roof in a hurricane--it might remove the NIMBY's altogether.

as I posted earlier the south end can't be expanded. It is pressed right against Reilly.

[HoustonWave]

I don't give a rat's ass how many seats will be added if we add an upper deck on the Audubon Blvd side of the stadium. It's much more about aesthetics, which would be tremendously improved if we're not looking at the eyesore that exists today. Yes, there's room to do it, we just have to fight the NIMBY's to get it done. If the whole stadium was built for $70 million, it should be a $15 - 20 million expansion. They can move the media facility much higher, which will appease ESPN as well.

I agree 100%.

ANY expansion should ONLY involve the WEST side of Yulman, period. Building a double-deck expansion on that side MUST be paramount. Since the sun sets on that side of the stadium (and always has during my 65 years on earth), the double-decking would provide much-needed shade to parts of the playing field and some seating areas. I would even consider constructing a roof over most of that area to increase the shading and provide protection to the fans from bad weather.

However, people MUST start SHOWING UP to these games REGULARLY (please pay attention EAST side ticket holders) in order to create a NEED for any stadium expansion. If that NEED can not occur, then all of this expansion talk is totally useless.

Improved PARKING MUST also occur. Yes, I am still on that point after these many years, but that should also be part of the expansion equation.

A west side deck should have priority, but we'll have to add decks all around Yulman to get seating capacity to 40,000+. You could expand the east upper deck (Westfeldt Club) all the way around the two endzones, and add a third deck on the east side. If there is any compromise with the NIMBY's on expansion, I can't imagine any more than one upper deck on the west side. I do like your idea about a roof extension that would provide more shade--but can you imagine what would happen to that extended roof in a hurricane--it might remove the NIMBY's altogether.

as I posted earlier the south end can't be expanded. It is pressed right against Reilly.

The only problem on the south end is that extension that juts out from Reilly. Without the extension, it would be easy to cantilever a south end upper deck over the roof of Reilly. So either remove the extension, and have a full upper deck, or turn the extension into suites and have half of an upper deck in the south end zone. The need for creativity is a constant when trying to clean up the mess that Cow/Dick left us.

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What we would have to do is tear down the nimby side of the stadium and rebuild it entirely. Give it a steeper slope altogether and you could fit more seats there. You could then let a new upper deck overhang the lower deck and get more seats in the upper deck.

You could do a controlled demolition of the Wilson Center and build the new Wilson Center on the so-called athletes' village property next to a football operations center. That would give you the room to properly expand the endzone on that side of the stadium.

Then you could sell the idoor suites separate from the outdoor seats. You could probably add a third deck on the glazer club side. Those sorts of changes could give you between 40 to 45,000 seats. That would be on par with TCU.

If the goal is to get to 40-45,000 why would Tulane have to demo the west side? Why can't Yulman be expanded to look something like the new stadium that is being considered in Birmingham?

The Birmingham-Jefferson Convention Complex (BJCC) has released renderings of a master plan for downtown Birmingham which would include a 45,000-seat football stadium.

http://abc3340.com/news/local/photos-re ... birmingham

Tulane would probably have to tear down the Reilly Center to expand on the south endzone, but a new rec center could be incorporated into the design of that endzone expansion.