Future OOC Football Schedule/Games

[winwave]

Their fans aren't going to get what they want then. No SEC AD is going to schedule all P5 teams. They play one OOC P5 a year and then three cream puffs. The new AD might see the benefit of playing Tulane rather than that. Their posters responses when asked last week indicated they would prefer that. We'll see.

[sader24]

Their fans aren't going to get what they want then. No SEC AD is going to schedule all P5 teams. They play one OOC P5 a year and then three cream puffs. The new AD might see the benefit of playing Tulane rather than that. Their posters responses when asked last week indicated they would prefer that. We'll see.

He very well might, but it won’t be a home and home. Why would we go play there every year when we can get Oklahoma, ole miss, miss st, acc teams etc to come play us here. Just to keep a rivalry alive that doesn’t currently exist? They would rather play us than a ULM or a USM or smaller teams, but they would rather schedule home and homes with P5 schools.

[winwave]

First off no one said it had to be played there every year. Secondly playing them and LSU is not mutually exclusive. We need to toughen up our OOC. We don't play in a killer conference. Last but not least let's see if those teams come play us here or pay the buy out.

[DfromCT]

Their fans aren't going to get what they want then. No SEC AD is going to schedule all P5 teams. They play one OOC P5 a year and then three cream puffs. The new AD might see the benefit of playing Tulane rather than that. Their posters responses when asked last week indicated they would prefer that. We'll see.

He very well might, but it won’t be a home and home. Why would we go play there every year when we can get Oklahoma, ole miss, miss st, acc teams etc to come play us here. Just to keep a rivalry alive that doesn’t currently exist? They would rather play us than a ULM or a USM or smaller teams, but they would rather schedule home and homes with P5 schools.

Nobody has said we should demand home and home. What most of us that support renewing the states longest sports rivalry is that it should be played every year in the Dome, and LSU gets no less than half the gate. It counts as a neutral site game so LSU doesn't burn one of its' 7 home games. There are ways to make it a win-win for everyone. If LSU needs to fill an open home game slot from time to time, have at it. Until we're good enough to demand better terms, play them on their terms, mostly in the Superdome. We get our 7 home games as well!

And we've yet to see any of the teams you've mentioned play in Yulman. Scheduled is one thing, but I'll believe it when the games kickoff in Yulman..

There's an opportunity to get something that was VERY special back on the schedule. Suck it up and MAKE it happen, even if it's on terms that are more favorable to LSU.

[Bicoastalwave]

Their fans aren't going to get what they want then. No SEC AD is going to schedule all P5 teams. They play one OOC P5 a year and then three cream puffs. The new AD might see the benefit of playing Tulane rather than that. Their posters responses when asked last week indicated they would prefer that. We'll see.

He very well might, but it won’t be a home and home. Why would we go play there every year when we can get Oklahoma, ole miss, miss st, acc teams etc to come play us here. Just to keep a rivalry alive that doesn’t currently exist? They would rather play us than a ULM or a USM or smaller teams, but they would rather schedule home and homes with P5 schools.

Nobody has said we should demand home and home. What most of us that support renewing the states longest sports rivalry is that it should be played every year in the Dome, and LSU gets no less than half the gate. It counts as a neutral site game so LSU doesn't burn one of its' 7 home games. There are ways to make it a win-win for everyone. If LSU needs to fill an open home game slot from time to time, have at it. Until we're good enough to demand better terms, play them on their terms, mostly in the Superdome. We get our 7 home games as well!

And we've yet to see any of the teams you've mentioned play in Yulman. Scheduled is one thing, but I'll believe it when the games kickoff in Yulman..

There's an opportunity to get something that was VERY special back on the schedule. Suck it up and MAKE it happen, even if it's on terms that are more favorable to LSU.

+1. It is mutually beneficial.

[mbawavefan12]

Their fans aren't going to get what they want then. No SEC AD is going to schedule all P5 teams. They play one OOC P5 a year and then three cream puffs. The new AD might see the benefit of playing Tulane rather than that. Their posters responses when asked last week indicated they would prefer that. We'll see.

He very well might, but it won’t be a home and home. Why would we go play there every year when we can get Oklahoma, ole miss, miss st, acc teams etc to come play us here. Just to keep a rivalry alive that doesn’t currently exist? They would rather play us than a ULM or a USM or smaller teams, but they would rather schedule home and homes with P5 schools.

Nobody has said we should demand home and home. What most of us that support renewing the states longest sports rivalry is that it should be played every year in the Dome, and LSU gets no less than half the gate. It counts as a neutral site game so LSU doesn't burn one of its' 7 home games. There are ways to make it a win-win for everyone. If LSU needs to fill an open home game slot from time to time, have at it. Until we're good enough to demand better terms, play them on their terms, mostly in the Superdome. We get our 7 home games as well!

And we've yet to see any of the teams you've mentioned play in Yulman. Scheduled is one thing, but I'll believe it when the games kickoff in Yulman..

There's an opportunity to get something that was VERY special back on the schedule. Suck it up and MAKE it happen, even if it's on terms that are more favorable to LSU.

+1. It is mutually beneficial.

It just isn’t for LSU. Sad but true.

[Aberzombie1892]

The posters saying that it’s not worth it for LSU aren’t saying that there is no value at all - they’re saying that there is not enough value to justify doing it. Think of it in terms of the two scenarios below - A and B.

A. LSU plays 3 home games against Tulane and 1 neutral site game against Tulane in the Superdome in New Orleans on a .renewing 4 year basis.
Questions:
1. Would LSU make more money in the fourth year playing Tulane at home versus the Superdome even if LSU kept all of the Superdome receipts? Yes.
2. Would ABC/CBS/ESPN (flagship only) broadcast the game nationally? No.
3. Would ESPN game day ever attend? No.
4. Would LSU’s recruiting benefit from playing Tulane in the Superdome? No.
5. Would it be embarrassing if LSU lost? Yes.

B. LSU plays alternating netural site games in the Superdome and NRG Stadium in Houston versus rotating Big 12 teams on a permanent basis.
1. Would LSU make more money in this format? Possibly. It depends on how money is distributed, but it’s possible. Regardless, LSU couldn’t get a P5 to agree to 3 home for 1 neutral game anyway.
2. Would ABC/CBS/ESPN (flagship only) broadcast the game nationally? Yes.
3. Would ESPN game day ever attend? Yes.
4. Would LSU’s recruiting benefit from playing Big 12 teams? Yes.
5. Would it be embarrassing if LSU lost? No.

Given that LSU could potentially seek either scenario (or others), one of the ones above simply doesn’t make sense:

[winwave]

Except it's not A v. B. It's Tulane versus playing a total cream puff. LSU already does B. It's C for cream puff their fans are sick of. That's not getting replaced with another P5. So that's where Tulane fits in.

[sader24]

Y’all can believe whatever you want to believe but it’s not grounded in reality. There is currently no benefit for LSU to come play us in the Dome bc if there was they would’ve fulfilled their game they still owe us supposedly. They make more playing a cream puff in Tiger Stadium than they do playing Tulane in the Dome and getting 100% of the proceeds. Now maybe if we can win our conference, beat a few P5 teams, start drawing 25k plus a game in real bodies things may change. Until then, I don’t see it.

[winwave]

That's the Tulane we are talking about. That's what the conversation has been about. Not what Tulane football has been for so long but what we believe it is about to become. This is a critical season for the program to show real signs of life. The conference championship is the stated goal. win that and we are likely playing in a NY6 Bowl. Now even if we don't win it but are actually in the hunt for the AAC championship to the end it will show that things have changed and will only continue to get better.

[Aberzombie1892]

Except it's not A v. B. It's Tulane versus playing a total cream puff. LSU already does B. It's C for cream puff their fans are sick of. That's not getting replaced with another P5. So that's where Tulane fits in.

Well, replace the Big 12 team with a random G5 team that only plays LSU at home - Scenario C.
1. Would LSU make more money in this format? Yes, it's only playing at home. It would make the most money in this Scenario.
2. Would ABC/CBS/ESPN (flagship only) broadcast the game nationally? No, unless it's a UCF/Boise type of G5.
3. Would ESPN game day ever attend? No, unless it's a UCF/Boise type of G5.
4. Would LSU’s recruiting benefit from playing the G5 team? No.
5. Would it be embarrassing if LSU lost? Yes.

Basically, playing a random G5 at home still more desirable than playing Tulane in New Orleans under any circumstances, as, when the smoke clears, LSU loses money by playing Tulane anywhere but Baton Rouge and it does not otherwise benefit from playing Tulane.

[winwave]

Except it doesn't. As has been pointed out if you play it as a neutral site game at the Dome they make a a lot of money without giving up a home game. Plus you are ignoring the fact that their fans are sick of the random G5's they have chosen and just last week expressed a desire to see Tulane over that mess.

[DfromCT]

Why do the people that argue that LSU gains nothing from playing Tulane in a neutral site Superdome ignore the fact that it still gives them 7 home games and an 8th that's in their backyard, benefiting their large NO based alumni and on preferential terms?

[Aberzombie1892]

Why do the people that argue that LSU gains nothing from playing Tulane in a neutral site Superdome ignore the fact that it still gives them 7 home games and an 8th that's in their backyard, benefiting their large NO based alumni and on preferential terms?

This could be broken into two separate pieces - (1) whether they should play a neutral site game in New Orleans and (2) if so, whether the opponent should be Tulane.

As for (1), there is not really a need since any team that they would play in New Orleans would potentially benefit from doing so by virtue of that time being exposed to recruits based in New Orleans (whether or not they want to attend LSU) and recruits that specifically want to attend LSU (whether or not they are from New Orleans). Here, LSU would benefit from having a neutral site game not far from home, but any opponent it played would have additional exposure that they would not otherwise have in the area. As a result, it's not in LSU's best interests to play that game against anyone - P5 or not - even if that means that LSU would have to have a neutral site game somewhere else (i.e. like in Texas). LSU is fine with playing alternating neutral site games against P5 (i.e. like it did with Wisconsin) and even home and homes with P5s, but playing a neutral site game in New Orleans could only hurt LSU. LSU's stranglehold in Louisiana - a major recruiting state - is unique, and, as a result, it is virtually impossible to compare it to programs in other major recruiting states since those other programs do not have strangleholds on local recruiting (i.e. programs in TX, FL, CA, etc.).

As for (2), there is not really a need for LSU to play a neutral site game against any G5 unless its a bowl game, as LSU does not benefit enough from it in order to compensate for the potentially damage that would happen if LSU lost or the lost revenue of not having that G5 playing LSU at home. A game against Tulane could potentially be particularly detrimental, as a loss or two Tulane could potentially lessen LSU's stranglehold on Louisiana.

[Show Me]

Imagine if Tulane got the chance to play LSU and pulled a Troy their fan base would tar and feather the new AD and Coach O for playing Tulane. It’s not going to ever happen in our lifetime. Need to beat them in WBB and VB until they end playing us in those two sports.

[HoustonWave]

The two key drivers from LSU's perspective are; (1) do they want to increase their profile in New Orleans (for both fans and recruits)? and (2) would their fan base prefer playing Tulane rather than one of the three annual cupcakes?
Premium pricing and deal structure can equalize the economics of a Dome game with Tulane vs a Cupcake home game. Once our program descended into Cupcake category, there was no reason for LSU to play us anywhere but BR, and I believe they essentially gave us that option long ago. The interest of their fans, for playing Tulane, will undoubtedly be dependent on us elevating our program. But if we do that, I do think their fans would prefer the annual Tulane game to the third annual Cupcake game. I think the fear of losing is overstated--guaranteed Cupcake wins are little more than a boring intra squad games, at full price. It all really comes down to satisfying their fans, and making the numbers work. Dannen definitely should be exploring the possibility with their new AD.

[RobertM320]

Simple solution. Build our programs and our brand to a level where we earn an invite to the Big 12. Then LSU would have no excuse to not play us.

[Jaxwave]

Simple solution. Build our programs and our brand to a level where we earn an invite to the Big 12. Then LSU would have no excuse to not play us.

You mean like Texas refuses to play Texas A&?

[golfnut69]

Simple solution. Build our programs and our brand to a level where we earn an invite to the Big 12. Then LSU would have no excuse to not play us.

You mean like Texas refuses to play Texas A&?

Actually...Texas A&M has stated they have no interest in playing UT......UT contacted them about resuming the series. A&M, in a gracious manner, told them they have "moved on".... with an new AD at A&M, that may change.....

[Aberzombie1892]

Simple solution. Build our programs and our brand to a level where we earn an invite to the Big 12. Then LSU would have no excuse to not play us.

You mean like Texas refuses to play Texas A&?

Regardless of what people say, it's really been the other way around for those programs.

As for Tulane, it's unclear if it is even possible for Tulane to get into the Big 12 given that the Big 12 passed on programs like Cincinnati. Tulane is a long way from Cincinnati in football (attendance/performance/etc.) and MBB (NCAA tournament appearance/attendance/performance/etc.).

[Bicoastalwave]

Playing neutral site games vs tulane where they dictate terms on gate /revenue is the less attractive than playing alternating neutral site games against p5’s where they dont dictate terms ? I disagree. Also How about the upcoming lsu game @ rice in Houston ?

Even if they ever lost to Tulane (not likely) that would hurt recruiting far less then bringing in any other team to the super dome to play. So once again, you get another home game that doesnt count against your total, you have a convenient reward game (in new orleans at a luxury stadium) for your fans against an instate foe that your fans love to hate (more compelling). You dictate all terms and even if you ever lost (unlikely) they are no threat to your recruiting. Sure maybe Wisconsin vs lsu makes it as a abc aired game, but whats the split on that game ? Also you are far more likely to lose that game. Which doesnt hurt as bad as a lose to Tulane, but if youre trying to make the playoff you have plenty of tough games in conference and cant afford losses.

I will admit i dont know enough (i also doubt anyone on an online messege board does) about the financials of wisconsin type game with tv on Abc vs a game in the dome against tulane where lsu keeps the gate etc on espn/espn 2.

When LSU plays in houston against rice will they sell that game out (thats an actual question for everyone) And you also know the fans will hate that game. As far as talking points Youll talk about recruiting- but everything has to be weighted and prioritized, i dont think houston recruiting makes that game worthwhile vs playing Tulane in the dome. I can use the talking point about building a fence around LA and how you need to actively reinforce it with games in new orleans.

This is fun to debate, but in reality we will have an answer within the few years based on if there is any movement from the new AD.

[mbawavefan12]

Playing neutral site games vs tulane where they dictate terms on gate /revenue is the less attractive than playing alternating neutral site games against p5’s where they dont dictate terms ? I disagree. Also How about the upcoming lsu game @ rice in Houston ?

Even if they ever lost to Tulane (not likely) that would hurt recruiting far less then bringing in any other team to the super dome to play. So once again, you get another home game that doesnt count against your total, you have a convenient reward game (in new orleans at a luxury stadium) for your fans against an instate foe that your fans love to hate (more compelling). You dictate all terms and even if you ever lost (unlikely) they are no threat to your recruiting. Sure maybe Wisconsin vs lsu makes it as a abc aired game, but whats the split on that game ? Also you are far more likely to lose that game. Which doesnt hurt as bad as a lose to Tulane, but if youre trying to make the playoff you have plenty of tough games in conference and cant afford losses.

I will admit i dont know enough (i also doubt anyone on an online messege board does) about the financials of wisconsin type game with tv on Abc vs a game in the dome against tulane where lsu keeps the gate etc on espn/espn 2.

When LSU plays in houston against rice will they sell that game out (thats an actual question for everyone) And you also know the fans will hate that game. As far as talking points Youll talk about recruiting- but everything has to be weighted and prioritized, i dont think houston recruiting makes that game worthwhile vs playing Tulane in the dome. I can use the talking point about building a fence around LA and how you need to actively reinforce it with games in new orleans.

This is fun to debate, but in reality we will have an answer within the few years based on if there is any movement from the new AD.

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge ... 45ce6.html

They have a big say on neutral site games cause their fans travel. They got double than Miami in Jerry World.

LSU plays rice at the Texans stadium. Rice had to agree to a 2-1 with their home game in the local FBall stadium. Maybe that would work for TU but LSU is more interested in playing G5’s in places where they don’t have a recruiting stranglehold. Luckily for TU, LSU is doing more P5 home/homes, so when they do play a P5 st home it opens up a chance for a neutral dime game. Though I would venture to guess LSU would just assume play a crap G5, like Rice, in a recruiting area they don’t dominate. But who knows.

[golfnut69]

Simple solution. Build our programs and our brand to a level where we earn an invite to the Big 12. Then LSU would have no excuse to not play us.

You mean like Texas refuses to play Texas A&?

Regardless of what people say, it's really been the other way around for those programs.

As for Tulane, it's unclear if it is even possible for Tulane to get into the Big 12 given that the Big 12 passed on programs like Cincinnati. Tulane is a long way from Cincinnati in football (attendance/performance/etc.) and MBB (NCAA tournament appearance/attendance/performance/etc.).

Ttulane would have a good chance if the Big12 expands, for a few reason...1- Geographic....2- Superdome.... 3- TV market... 4- Academic Standing, the college Prez's luv that krap ...the NCAA did no favors for Tulane, and others, by not enforcing it's 12 team league minimum for a playoff in Football....The Big12 will expand once the TV contracts are being negotiated...Cincy, UH, UCF, USF, Tulane will be under serious consideration...Memphis State, because of it's miserable academic standing, has a very small window...BYU, Boise State, Utah State, San Diego St have travel and Time zone issues the Big 12 do not want to face when it comes to TV exposure. they would like to stay in the eastern and central zones...but then agian, I really have no clue and just wanted to type a reply

[golfnut69]

Playing neutral site games vs tulane where they dictate terms on gate /revenue is the less attractive than playing alternating neutral site games against p5’s where they dont dictate terms ? I disagree. Also How about the upcoming lsu game @ rice in Houston ?

Even if they ever lost to Tulane (not likely) that would hurt recruiting far less then bringing in any other team to the super dome to play. So once again, you get another home game that doesnt count against your total, you have a convenient reward game (in new orleans at a luxury stadium) for your fans against an instate foe that your fans love to hate (more compelling). You dictate all terms and even if you ever lost (unlikely) they are no threat to your recruiting. Sure maybe Wisconsin vs lsu makes it as a abc aired game, but whats the split on that game ? Also you are far more likely to lose that game. Which doesnt hurt as bad as a lose to Tulane, but if youre trying to make the playoff you have plenty of tough games in conference and cant afford losses.

I will admit i dont know enough (i also doubt anyone on an online messege board does) about the financials of wisconsin type game with tv on Abc vs a game in the dome against tulane where lsu keeps the gate etc on espn/espn 2.

When LSU plays in houston against rice will they sell that game out (thats an actual question for everyone) And you also know the fans will hate that game. As far as talking points Youll talk about recruiting- but everything has to be weighted and prioritized, i dont think houston recruiting makes that game worthwhile vs playing Tulane in the dome. I can use the talking point about building a fence around LA and how you need to actively reinforce it with games in new orleans.

This is fun to debate, but in reality we will have an answer within the few years based on if there is any movement from the new AD.

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge ... 45ce6.html

They have a big say on neutral site games cause their fans travel. They got double than Miami in Jerry World.

LSU plays rice at the Texans stadium.

I guess UH was not available for play at Reliant Stadium, next to the Astrodome and across IH-610 loop from Astroworld and on the same property as Colt Stadium

[mbawavefan12]

Playing neutral site games vs tulane where they dictate terms on gate /revenue is the less attractive than playing alternating neutral site games against p5’s where they dont dictate terms ? I disagree. Also How about the upcoming lsu game @ rice in Houston ?

Even if they ever lost to Tulane (not likely) that would hurt recruiting far less then bringing in any other team to the super dome to play. So once again, you get another home game that doesnt count against your total, you have a convenient reward game (in new orleans at a luxury stadium) for your fans against an instate foe that your fans love to hate (more compelling). You dictate all terms and even if you ever lost (unlikely) they are no threat to your recruiting. Sure maybe Wisconsin vs lsu makes it as a abc aired game, but whats the split on that game ? Also you are far more likely to lose that game. Which doesnt hurt as bad as a lose to Tulane, but if youre trying to make the playoff you have plenty of tough games in conference and cant afford losses.

I will admit i dont know enough (i also doubt anyone on an online messege board does) about the financials of wisconsin type game with tv on Abc vs a game in the dome against tulane where lsu keeps the gate etc on espn/espn 2.

When LSU plays in houston against rice will they sell that game out (thats an actual question for everyone) And you also know the fans will hate that game. As far as talking points Youll talk about recruiting- but everything has to be weighted and prioritized, i dont think houston recruiting makes that game worthwhile vs playing Tulane in the dome. I can use the talking point about building a fence around LA and how you need to actively reinforce it with games in new orleans.

This is fun to debate, but in reality we will have an answer within the few years based on if there is any movement from the new AD.

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge ... 45ce6.html

They have a big say on neutral site games cause their fans travel. They got double than Miami in Jerry World.

LSU plays rice at the Texans stadium.

I guess UH was not available for play at Reliant Stadium, next to the Astrodome and across IH-610 loop from Astroworld and on the same property as Colt Stadium

I doubt UH would agree to a 2-1 with the 1 played off campus. They have too much pride and just dumped $150mm into their stadium along with having a seamlessly empty restauranteur checkbook.
Rice took the $ and ran.