Future OOC Football Schedule/Games

[nawlinspete]

for Dannen to build the future OOC FB schedule ? Almost daily FootballSchedules.com reports desirable P5 teams scheduling lesser teams to home and homes. These P5 slots are not unlimited. Our AD needs to announce who he's scheduled or get us scheduled if he's put this responsibility on the back burner.

At this point, any criticism of the AD is out of line. It's not possible for him to have had more impact so far, so complaining about things that haven't happened yet is silly, especially since we are talking about things that are years off into the future. His idiot predecessor left the precedent that we accept 2 or 3 for 1's against lower level P5s.

jj said ...talking about things years in the future is stupid now. JJ is wrong; what is being done now, or not being done NOW is the future as respects FBS scheduling. And it is not wrong to now QUESTION WHY we have been silent.

[DfromCT]

The problem is you do the schedules so far out in advance that you don't know what you're going to get. Ole Miss and MSU aren't traditionally the power schools of the SEC, and more often than not finish outside of the top 25. Yet the last few years they've been right there. So it may sound great to "only do 2 for 1's with top 30ish programs" unless you have a crystal ball good luck with that. Heck, we could give 'Bama 2 for 1's in the next decade, and Saban retires in the interim and we end up playing a 'Bama team that looks like it did under Shula. You just don't know.

[Aberzombie1892]

The problem is you do the schedules so far out in advance that you don't know what you're going to get. Ole Miss and MSU aren't traditionally the power schools of the SEC, and more often than not finish outside of the top 25. Yet the last few years they've been right there. So it may sound great to "only do 2 for 1's with top 30ish programs" unless you have a crystal ball good luck with that. Heck, we could give 'Bama 2 for 1's in the next decade, and Saban retires in the interim and we end up playing a 'Bama team that looks like it did under Shula. You just don't know.

Well, I meant recognizing opponents by the status of their program and not the strength of the team. For example, Texas is a top 30ish program even when they don't finish the season ranked. You could say the same for many more programs that, even if they started consistently landing outside the top 25, they would still be a top 30ish program in terms of status since the athletic department and the fans (re: donors) wouldn't stand for gridiron failures over an extended period of time (Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, LSU, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Oklahoma, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Miami, etc.). Basically, established brand name football programs. I agree that things can change, but, even if Saban retired next year, Alabama would still have extraordinary expectations, so, if the next coach was not good, they would quickly replace him/her. It's also true that unknown programs could be come known programs (like Baylor) and known programs could become irrelevant (like a two regular season loss Boise State), the top 30ish programs are capable of, and are willing to, buy themselves out of mediocrity. As such, we shouldn't worry about how good those programs will be in the future when scheduling them.

[nawlinspete]

Getting back to the points being made: tiempe fugit, time flying is hurting our ability to schedule and the longer we wait the less attractive the scraps will be (especially since we are considered one of the scraps ourselves). And IT IS NOT CRITICISM TO ASK WHY WE HAVE HAD NOTHING ANNOUNCED (OR DONE?).

[jonathanjoseph]

Getting back to the points being made: tiempe fugit, time flying is hurting our ability to schedule and the longer we wait the less attractive the scraps will be (especially since we are considered one of the scraps ourselves). And IT IS NOT CRITICISM TO ASK WHY WE HAVE HAD NOTHING ANNOUNCED (OR DONE?).

Dude has been on payroll for <4 months and has already made 3 outstanding hires (hires which were completely out of reach for Dickson) and made real inroads towards changing the culture, both internally and externally. Hard to focus on what hasn't been done. For all we know Dannen is trying to set the tone before explaining to P5 programs why they will give us 1-for-1s. There's little or nothing that can be read into the lack of schedule announcements since Dannen started and we have no idea whether or not things have been done on that front.

[Forever TU]

Getting back to the points being made: tiempe fugit, time flying is hurting our ability to schedule and the longer we wait the less attractive the scraps will be (especially since we are considered one of the scraps ourselves). And IT IS NOT CRITICISM TO ASK WHY WE HAVE HAD NOTHING ANNOUNCED (OR DONE?).

Dude seriously? smdh

[nawlinspete]

Absolutely Dannen has been a huge positive for us in his five months since mid December but we are missing scheduling opportunities:
Announced today Georgia adds UMass to 2018 FB Schedule
Announced yesterday Wisconsin to host Western Kentucky to open 2018 FB season
Announced last Friday UAB Blazers to play at Texas A&M Aggies in 2018
Announced last week Coastal Carolina to play at Arkansas in 2017
Announced last week Baylor, BYU schedule 2021-22 FB series
These ate not "years" away, and we are missing the boat, with each announcement making it more difficult for us down the road. Fir all our new AD has done, Hurrah, but he needs to now prioritize scheduling and getting CowDick doubled plus in size to 55,000.

[Show Me]

Absolutely Dannen has been a huge positive for us in his five months since mid December but we are missing scheduling opportunities:
Announced today Georgia adds UMass to 2018 FB Schedule
Announced yesterday Wisconsin to host Western Kentucky to open 2018 FB season
Announced last Friday UAB Blazers to play at Texas A&M Aggies in 2018
Announced last week Coastal Carolina to play at Arkansas in 2017
Announced last week Baylor, BYU schedule 2021-22 FB series
These ate not "years" away, and we are missing the boat, with each announcement making it more difficult for us down the road. Fir all our new AD has done, Hurrah, but he needs to now prioritize scheduling and getting CowDick doubled plus in size to 55,000.

This happens every year. All these games are road games for a paycheck. Find me a series involving a 1 for 1 or 2 for 2.

[nawlinspete]

Absolutely Dannen has been a huge positive for us in his five months since mid December but we are missing scheduling opportunities:
Announced today Georgia adds UMass to 2018 FB Schedule
Announced yesterday Wisconsin to host Western Kentucky to open 2018 FB season
Announced last Friday UAB Blazers to play at Texas A&M Aggies in 2018
Announced last week Coastal Carolina to play at Arkansas in 2017
Announced last week Baylor, BYU schedule 2021-22 FB series
These ate not "years" away, and we are missing the boat, with each announcement making it more difficult for us down the road. Fir all our new AD has done, Hurrah, but he needs to now prioritize scheduling and getting CowDick doubled plus in size to 55,000.

This happens every year. All these games are road games for a paycheck. Find me a series involving a 1 for 1 or 2 for 2.

Wisconsin - Western Kentucky also includes a home and home MBB series.
Baylor - BYU is a home - home FB series.
What makes us think we are more desirable, at this minute, than BYU ? We need exposure and $$,$$$,$$$ to develop our brand, get better recruits, and to enlarge CowDick to 55,000 and the process will upgrade our future scheduling as an added benefit to the exposure, $$,$$$,$$$, recruiting upgrade, and stadium expansion.

[GreenLantern]

Absolutely Dannen has been a huge positive for us in his five months since mid December but we are missing scheduling opportunities:
Announced today Georgia adds UMass to 2018 FB Schedule
Announced yesterday Wisconsin to host Western Kentucky to open 2018 FB season
Announced last Friday UAB Blazers to play at Texas A&M Aggies in 2018
Announced last week Coastal Carolina to play at Arkansas in 2017
Announced last week Baylor, BYU schedule 2021-22 FB series
These ate not "years" away, and we are missing the boat, with each announcement making it more difficult for us down the road. Fir all our new AD has done, Hurrah, but he needs to now prioritize scheduling and getting CowDick doubled plus in size to 55,000.

This happens every year. All these games are road games for a paycheck. Find me a series involving a 1 for 1 or 2 for 2.

Wisconsin - Western Kentucky also includes a home and home MBB series.
Baylor - BYU is a home - home FB series.
What makes us think we are more desirable, at this minute, than BYU ? We need exposure and $$,$$$,$$$ to develop our brand, get better recruits, and to enlarge CowDick to 55,000 and the process will upgrade our future scheduling as an added benefit to the exposure, $$,$$$,$$$, recruiting upgrade, and stadium expansion.

Just because you are not reading about it in the Advocate, seeing secondhand tweets, or getting rumors posted in the online forums does not mean that there is not a lot of scheduling correspondence with other, desirable schools.

C'mon man. Twelve months ago, if someone had told us that we would have three of the most powerful coaching hires in recent Tulane history by April of 2016, everyone would have been incredulous. And you're disappointed that TD hasn't also begun expanding the stadium? Really?? C'mon man.

[nawlinspete]

Absolutely Dannen has been a huge positive for us in his five months since mid December but we are missing scheduling opportunities:
Announced today Georgia adds UMass to 2018 FB Schedule
Announced yesterday Wisconsin to host Western Kentucky to open 2018 FB season
Announced last Friday UAB Blazers to play at Texas A&M Aggies in 2018
Announced last week Coastal Carolina to play at Arkansas in 2017
Announced last week Baylor, BYU schedule 2021-22 FB series
These ate not "years" away, and we are missing the boat, with each announcement making it more difficult for us down the road. Fir all our new AD has done, Hurrah, but he needs to now prioritize scheduling and getting CowDick doubled plus in size to 55,000.

This happens every year. All these games are road games for a paycheck. Find me a series involving a 1 for 1 or 2 for 2.

Wisconsin - Western Kentucky also includes a home and home MBB series.
Baylor - BYU is a home - home FB series.
What makes us think we are more desirable, at this minute, than BYU ? We need exposure and $$,$$$,$$$ to develop our brand, get better recruits, and to enlarge CowDick to 55,000 and the process will upgrade our future scheduling as an added benefit to the exposure, $$,$$$,$$$, recruiting upgrade, and stadium expansion.

Just because you are not reading about it in the Advocate, seeing secondhand tweets, or getting rumors posted in the online forums does not mean that there is not a lot of scheduling correspondence with other, desirable schools.

C'mon man. Twelve months ago, if someone had told us that we would have three of the most powerful coaching hires in recent Tulane history by April of 2016, everyone would have been incredulous. And you're disappointed that TD hasn't also begun expanding the stadium? Really?? C'mon man.

I am not saying, or implying, that there are no scheduling negotiations extant; I am saying we had better get moving, PRONTO, to secure desirable games and exposure and, yes, $$,$$$,$$$. We are not now number one or number 50 on anyone's list of targets and we must realize that and schedule some only away games to enhance our standing and our ability to get CowDick up to 55.000.

Another home and home announced tonight:
Texas Tech and Colorado State 2025 - 26.

[Aberzombie1892]

Absolutely Dannen has been a huge positive for us in his five months since mid December but we are missing scheduling opportunities:
Announced today Georgia adds UMass to 2018 FB Schedule
Announced yesterday Wisconsin to host Western Kentucky to open 2018 FB season
Announced last Friday UAB Blazers to play at Texas A&M Aggies in 2018
Announced last week Coastal Carolina to play at Arkansas in 2017
Announced last week Baylor, BYU schedule 2021-22 FB series
These ate not "years" away, and we are missing the boat, with each announcement making it more difficult for us down the road. Fir all our new AD has done, Hurrah, but he needs to now prioritize scheduling and getting CowDick doubled plus in size to 55,000.

This happens every year. All these games are road games for a paycheck. Find me a series involving a 1 for 1 or 2 for 2.

Wisconsin - Western Kentucky also includes a home and home MBB series.
Baylor - BYU is a home - home FB series.
What makes us think we are more desirable, at this minute, than BYU ? We need exposure and $$,$$$,$$$ to develop our brand, get better recruits, and to enlarge CowDick to 55,000 and the process will upgrade our future scheduling as an added benefit to the exposure, $$,$$$,$$$, recruiting upgrade, and stadium expansion.

Just because you are not reading about it in the Advocate, seeing secondhand tweets, or getting rumors posted in the online forums does not mean that there is not a lot of scheduling correspondence with other, desirable schools.

C'mon man. Twelve months ago, if someone had told us that we would have three of the most powerful coaching hires in recent Tulane history by April of 2016, everyone would have been incredulous. And you're disappointed that TD hasn't also begun expanding the stadium? Really?? C'mon man.

I am not saying, or implying, that there are no scheduling negotiations extant; I am saying we had better get moving, PRONTO, to secure desirable games and exposure and, yes, $$,$$$,$$$. We are not now number one or number 50 on anyone's list of targets and we must realize that and schedule some only away games to enhance our standing and our ability to get CowDick up to 55.000.

Another home and home announced tonight:
Texas Tech and Colorado State 2025 - 26.

BYU is considered to be a Power program, so it doesn't count. Out of all of your examples, the only relevant one is Texas Tech and Colorado State, and, even then, Colorado St has produced some pretty good records over the last 4 years, so it's not like some unknown G5 program set up a home and home with Texas Tech. You say we should be trying to get money games (1 for 0 or worse), but it's amazing how quickly agreeing to a bunch of those can devastate future schedules.

[nawlinspete]

Aber and JJ, you are both reinforcing my point: Down and out G5 programs such as ours is CANNOT get home and home series and we should therefore seek out opponents who offer the most publicity, and the most $$,$$$,$$$.

[waveprof]

Aber and JJ, you are both reinforcing my point: Down and out G5 programs such as ours is CANNOT get home and home series and we should therefore seek out opponents who offer the most publicity, and the most $$,$$$,$$$.

Based on recent scheduling examples/precedent, a school like Tuane could get a h/h with (at least) Vandy (if they want to play us), Northwestern (we know they don't want to play us, but have given h/h to schools similar to us in other regions), Purdue, Indiana, and NC State. And that's just looking at recent precedent......and it isn't including Georgia Tech (who signed a 2/2 with us) and Ole Miss (who signed a 2/2 and amended it to a 3/2 in our favor)....which is even more relevant precedent.

h/h is very difficult for G5 but it is neither unprecedented nor impossible. It just needs to be the right fit.

[DrBox]

Aber and JJ, you are both reinforcing my point: Down and out G5 programs such as ours is CANNOT get home and home series and we should therefore seek out opponents who offer the most publicity, and the most $$,$$$,$$$.

That's false. "Down and out" is irrelevant. We can get home series.
Vandy just signed home and home with Mid Tenn. I would have liked one with them.
But we don't know Fritz or Dannen's take on ooc series.

[Aberzombie1892]

Aber and JJ, you are both reinforcing my point: Down and out G5 programs such as ours is CANNOT get home and home series and we should therefore seek out opponents who offer the most publicity, and the most $$,$$$,$$$.

That's false. "Down and out" is irrelevant. We can get home series.
Vandy just signed home and home with Mid Tenn. I would have liked one with them.
But we don't know Fritz or Dannen's take on ooc series.

Vandy and MT have a special relationship, so it's different. Some P5s and G5s have those types of relationships - think like Memphis/Ole Miss, Colorado State/Colorado, Utah State/Utah and SMU/Baylor - and those relationships allow certain G5s to be able to get consistent home/home or neutral type deals with certain P5s. These relationships are based on history and aren't things that other G5s, like us, can just do on a whim. We used to have that kind of relationship with LSU, but we don't anymore.

[nawlinspete]

Aber and JJ, you are both reinforcing my point: Down and out G5 programs such as ours is CANNOT get home and home series and we should therefore seek out opponents who offer the most publicity, and the most $$,$$$,$$$.

That's false. "Down and out" is irrelevant. We can get home series.
Vandy just signed home and home with Mid Tenn. I would have liked one with them.
But we don't know Fritz or Dannen's take on ooc series.

Vandy and MT have a special relationship, so it's different. Some P5s and G5s have those types of relationships - think like Memphis/Ole Miss, Colorado State/Colorado, Utah State/Utah and SMU/Baylor - and those relationships allow certain G5s to be able to get consistent home/home or neutral type deals with certain P5s. These relationships are based on history and aren't things that other G5s, like us, can just do on a whim. We used to have that kind of relationship with LSU, but we don't anymore.

Amen Aberzombie. Tulane needs to act NOW to fill out its schedule, we are the pig with lipstick and we need to get our dance card filled NOW.

[RobertM320]

Aber and JJ, you are both reinforcing my point: Down and out G5 programs such as ours is CANNOT get home and home series and we should therefore seek out opponents who offer the most publicity, and the most $$,$$$,$$$.

That's false. "Down and out" is irrelevant. We can get home series.
Vandy just signed home and home with Mid Tenn. I would have liked one with them.
But we don't know Fritz or Dannen's take on ooc series.

Vandy and MT have a special relationship, so it's different. Some P5s and G5s have those types of relationships - think like Memphis/Ole Miss, Colorado State/Colorado, Utah State/Utah and SMU/Baylor - and those relationships allow certain G5s to be able to get consistent home/home or neutral type deals with certain P5s. These relationships are based on history and aren't things that other G5s, like us, can just do on a whim. We used to have that kind of relationship with LSU, but we don't anymore.

+1 Its exactly that. Vandy and MTSU are basically in the same place. MTSU is in Murfreesboro, which is only 20 miles or so down I-24 from Nashville. And we did have that with LSU.

[waveprof]

Vandy and MTSU are basically in the same place. MTSU is in Murfreesboro, which is only 20 miles or so down I-24 from Nashville.

FWIW Vandy has also recently scheduled home and homes with Northern Illinois and Georgia State.

[winwave]

Vandy and MTSU are basically in the same place. MTSU is in Murfreesboro, which is only 20 miles or so down I-24 from Nashville.

FWIW Vandy has also recently scheduled home and homes with Northern Illinois and Georgia State.

Did they hire RD as their AD?

Bottom line is this. Once Fritz and company get the program rolling we'll be the best positioned G5 to get home and homes w/P5 teams that our fans desire to see us play. Sorry but Vandy doesn't appeal to the masses just a couple on these boards. Trust in TD to get it done.

[Ruski]

Sorry but Vandy doesn't appeal to the masses just a couple on these boards. Trust in TD to get it done.

Eh... I know my decision for school was between Tulane, Vandy, Washu. I had a decent number of friends attend the others. Scheduling games with these "peer" universities would be good marketing for current/prospective students.

[winwave]

Sorry but Vandy doesn't appeal to the masses just a couple on these boards. Trust in TD to get it done.

Eh... I know my decision for school was between Tulane, Vandy, Washu. I had a decent number of friends attend the others. Scheduling games with these "peer" universities would be good marketing for current/prospective students.

One of the things that our fan base should have learned from the mistakes of the prior administration is that the peer mentality is a failure. Fans want to see us play football schools. They want LSU, Ole Miss, Miss. St, Texas , ND not Vandy, Rice or the like. Win against them and you will draw students.

[wave97]

Sorry but Vandy doesn't appeal to the masses just a couple on these boards. Trust in TD to get it done.

Eh... I know my decision for school was between Tulane, Vandy, Washu. I had a decent number of friends attend the others. Scheduling games with these "peer" universities would be good marketing for current/prospective students.

How will scheduling "peer" universities serve as a recruiting tool for prospective students? If we schedule Stanford, Northwestern & Notre Dame, that would help on the basis of their status as football programs. We could schedule Emory, Millsaps & Sewanee for what purpose?

[DfromCT]

I think we're all in favor of one football "power" on the schedule every year or two. If we schedule too many of these type of schools our scheduling will get very tricky because we're not going to get many 1 for 1 contracts, and the more lopsided contracts we get into the tougher it becomes to schedule our own home games without return games available to offer.

The "peer" Universities many of us would like to see scheduled, would, IMHO, be Vanderbilt, Wake/Duke/GaTech, Northwestern, etc. in place of Army, USM, GaStat, etc. I wouldn't mind if Fritz wanted to give a home and home to GSU but in a couple of years time. Last time I checked Emory, Millsaps and Sewanee weren't putting D1 teams on the gridiron.

[winwave]

I think we're all in favor of one football "power" on the schedule every year or two. If we schedule too many of these type of schools our scheduling will get very tricky because we're not going to get many 1 for 1 contracts, and the more lopsided contracts we get into the tougher it becomes to schedule our own home games without return games available to offer.

The "peer" Universities many of us would like to see scheduled, would, IMHO, be Vanderbilt, Wake/Duke/GaTech, Northwestern, etc. in place of Army, USM, GaStat, etc. I wouldn't mind if Fritz wanted to give a home and home to GSU but in a couple of years time. Last time I checked Emory, Millsaps and Sewanee weren't putting D1 teams on the gridiron.

Agree that we should be having one of these a year. Again despite the year the conference had last year, and remember some of those teams sort of faded at the end, it's not a demanding conference schedule. So we need to get one of those power schools that the masses are interested in every year. We disagree that many want peer schools . There is no mass interest in that. For Tulane to build the crowds they need to sustain a successful top 25 program you are trying to draw in the masses and those are locals who didn't go to Tulane but adopted it as the home town team. As for drawing students and alumni attention you'll get a whole lot more of it playing and beating the teams I and others here suggest rather than supposed peer schools. Like I said above that small time peer mentality went out w/ SC/RD. It's way past time to think large.