winwave wrote:jd we are not forgetting it. The point is it has been 7 years. Seems everyone but Tulane has moved on.
In that time span Tulane has opened the new baseball stadium, opened the new bball/volleyball practice center and announced plans for the new football stadium -- but not until just now have they even mentioned anything about having it available and anything about just taking a look at the property to see what exactly they might be able to do with it. Something doesn't add up here.JDTulane wrote:winwave wrote:jd we are not forgetting it. The point is it has been 7 years. Seems everyone but Tulane has moved on.
My point is it takes a long time to get your sh*t together and land development and prospecting probably was a low priority (duh). So at least they're doing it! I would think more like 4-5 years not 6-7 but still. I'm gonna give them some rope here. HERE. not elsewhere.
Those projects had been in the works pre Katrina and already funded. Plus they were on campus and we know the land/facilities/set up there. And you just highlighted a ton of major projects needing attention. So maybe this was next in line. Thanks for proving points.Fred Dowler wrote:In that time span Tulane has opened the new baseball stadium, opened the new bball/volleyball practice center and announced plans for the new football stadium -- but not until just now have they even mentioned anything about having it available and anything about just taking a look at the property to see what exactly they might be able to do with it. Something doesn't add up here.JDTulane wrote:winwave wrote:jd we are not forgetting it. The point is it has been 7 years. Seems everyone but Tulane has moved on.
My point is it takes a long time to get your sh*t together and land development and prospecting probably was a low priority (duh). So at least they're doing it! I would think more like 4-5 years not 6-7 but still. I'm gonna give them some rope here. HERE. not elsewhere.
JDTulane wrote:Those projects had been in the works pre Katrina and already funded. Plus they were on campus and we know the land/facilities/set up there. And you just highlighted a ton of major projects needing attention. So maybe this was next in line. Thanks for proving points.Fred Dowler wrote:In that time span Tulane has opened the new baseball stadium, opened the new bball/volleyball practice center and announced plans for the new football stadium -- but not until just now have they even mentioned anything about having it available and anything about just taking a look at the property to see what exactly they might be able to do with it. Something doesn't add up here.JDTulane wrote:winwave wrote:jd we are not forgetting it. The point is it has been 7 years. Seems everyone but Tulane has moved on.
My point is it takes a long time to get your sh*t together and land development and prospecting probably was a low priority (duh). So at least they're doing it! I would think more like 4-5 years not 6-7 but still. I'm gonna give them some rope here. HERE. not elsewhere.
Actually less than 1 year and 11 months to be exact. From the purchase, donation and completion of the entire $8 million dollar multi-sport facility..sader24 wrote: Jesuit managed to acquire land, raise money, and build a multi-use baseball facility in a 2-3 year period in the same area Tulane has had 13 acres of free land for 7 years. Sometimes it's as simple as one group wants to get something done and the other group doesnt.
It represents a journey that began with dreams of having a place to call home, the seven-acre property being purchased in December 2009, ground breaking a year later and final completion in November 2011.
The baseball stadium work was already under way in 2005, but that was the only project under way then and then not only that but also the baseball team played for two years at Zephyr Field even after that while they were working on the new baseball stadium.JDTulane wrote:Those projects had been in the works pre Katrina and already funded. Plus they were on campus and we know the land/facilities/set up there. And you just highlighted a ton of major projects needing attention. So maybe this was next in line. Thanks for proving points.Fred Dowler wrote:In that time span Tulane has opened the new baseball stadium, opened the new bball/volleyball practice center and announced plans for the new football stadium -- but not until just now have they even mentioned anything about having it available and anything about just taking a look at the property to see what exactly they might be able to do with it. Something doesn't add up here.JDTulane wrote:winwave wrote:jd we are not forgetting it. The point is it has been 7 years. Seems everyone but Tulane has moved on.
My point is it takes a long time to get your sh*t together and land development and prospecting probably was a low priority (duh). So at least they're doing it! I would think more like 4-5 years not 6-7 but still. I'm gonna give them some rope here. HERE. not elsewhere.
Except if an OCS was so important, then using physical plant and capital and prioritizing the other projects was a strategic mistake. Either it was a strategic blunder or this OCS isn't important. Can't have it both ways.JDTulane wrote:
Those projects had been in the works pre Katrina and already funded. Plus they were on campus and we know the land/facilities/set up there. And you just highlighted a ton of major projects needing attention. So maybe this was next in line. Thanks for proving points.
Nah, this has nothing to do with that. This has to do with a basic understanding of the economics of D1A athletics and that football is the major revenue driver that allows basketball and baseball and all the other sports to operate. When you commit major physical plant to a baseball stadium and a basketball facility, you have to ask yourself "is there anything more important we could use this land for?". Seems that they didn't know the OCS was strategically important until they didn't have anymore room for it. Or it was never really strategically important. It can't be both, so it was either a huge blunder or the OCS isn't important and there's no middle ground or acceptable excuse on that.JDTulane wrote:Or we're dealing with a university with hundreds of projects and not enough personnel. This aint UCLA
Bingo!!jonathanjoseph wrote:Nah, this has nothing to do with that. This has to do with a basic understanding of the economics of D1A athletics and that football is the major revenue driver that allows basketball and baseball and all the other sports to operate. When you commit major physical plant to a baseball stadium and a basketball facility, you have to ask yourself "is there anything more important we could use this land for?". Seems that they didn't know the OCS was strategically important until they didn't have anymore room for it. Or it was never really strategically important. It can't be both, so it was either a huge blunder or the OCS isn't important and there's no middle ground or acceptable excuse on that.JDTulane wrote:Or we're dealing with a university with hundreds of projects and not enough personnel. This aint UCLA
We happen to have one, coincidentally, identical to the Saints practice facility at our disposal. Turchin is still state of the art and far better than 90% of most collegiate baseball facilities. We're not talking about ten years from now, we're living now, in 2015.Jonathan wrote:We need a state of the art indoor football training facility like the Saints and LSU A&M to be more competitive in recruiting. The parking lot adjacent to South Claiborne Avenue would be a great place to build a multi story building to include parking spaces and the football training facility. Also our basketball facility Fogelman/Devon is basically a high school gym. Xavier's is much better than ours. We need a state of the art new arena about the same size at Duke/Cameron. Lastly a new Tulane village on the Goldring property for track,tennis etc. would be nice. I would also like to see some upgrades and replacements on Turchin baseball stadium as it is starting to age.
That's no kind of plan for a D1 school looking to move up. That's a loser mindset. The $pending for athletics never stops, and upgrades and additions -- as with the university itself -- is the only way to attract elite athletes and remain competitive. There must always be a buzz about TU sports, proposals, plans, and the excitement that Tulane is moving forward.winwave wrote:Nothing is being done till the stadium is paid off. There are no firm plans after that.
Tulane does not run it's Athletic Dept like a business, they are not familiar with the terms " Investment spending" or "ROI"... LSU in one the poorest states, is listed as the 5th most valuable Football program in AmericaMicMan wrote:That's no kind of plan for a D1 school looking to move up. That's a loser mindset. The $pending for athletics never stops, and upgrades and additions -- as with the university itself -- is the only way to attract elite athletes and remain competitive. There must always be a buzz about TU sports, proposals, plans, and the excitement that Tulane is moving forward.winwave wrote:Nothing is being done till the stadium is paid off. There are no firm plans after that.
On my first trip this season to Texas Tech, I noticed a " practice football field", I was told that the facility was for the use of Texas Tech Band only, and that Football had it's own facilities and fields closer to the stadiumwinwave wrote:D we lose practice time when we have to travel to the Saints facility. Both ways cost us 30 minutes. Do you really think we can afford that? Also, our access will probably decrease now that the stadium opened. The Saints have always allowed Tulane some use but they gave us a lot more while we didn't have a place to practice on campus. They did that b/c of their big push to get us to hire CJ. Now that we have a place they will likely cut the access back as they don't want all that extra wear and tear on their facilities. CJ has said publicly at the end of the 2013 season that he wants it on campus. That we have access at all times. We don't lose any practice time and it's right there to show off to recruits. The Rosen lot needs to be looked at for this.
