Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:24 pm
Which basically means no Air Raid offense. Maybe some concepts but not a full fledged AR.
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Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:37 pm
I think he’s right. The best teams can run the football. AR teams don’t seem to sustain much success and are usually horrible defensively. I don’t know if it’s coincidental or what . People forget RR liked to run the ball too.
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:49 pm
Agree folks, all passing offenses score too fast and put heavy pressure on defenses to make stops. Defenses get worn out because of low time of possession with passing offense. Good running teams complimented by the passing game hang on to the ball keeping it away from opposition offenses. Defenses stay fresh as the offense controls time of possession. But the running game can't be vanilla mixing in play action passes, screen passes and occasional reverses and half back passes.
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:50 pm
Rod passed to set up the run.galvezwave wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:37 pm I think he’s right. The best teams can run the football. AR teams don’t seem to sustain much success and are usually horrible defensively. I don’t know if it’s coincidental or what . People forget RR liked to run the ball too.
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:43 pm
Yep.tpstulane wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:50 pmRod passed to set up the run.galvezwave wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:37 pm I think he’s right. The best teams can run the football. AR teams don’t seem to sustain much success and are usually horrible defensively. I don’t know if it’s coincidental or what . People forget RR liked to run the ball too.
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:51 pm
We don't have to look any further than the Saints for proof of this. The best offensive years they've had are when they can run the ball well. When they have to rely on just Brees' passing, the defense got trashed.gbgreenie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:49 pm Agree folks, all passing offenses score too fast and put heavy pressure on defenses to make stops. Defenses get worn out because of low time of possession with passing offense. Good running teams complimented by the passing game hang on to the ball keeping it away from opposition offenses. Defenses stay fresh as the offense controls time of possession. But the running game can't be vanilla mixing in play action passes, screen passes and occasional reverses and half back passes.
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:00 pm
But don't forget, our running game under RR was almost exclusively misdirection plays out of the shotgun.
How much did Tony Converse weigh?
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:53 pm
Running the ball is running the ball .
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:07 pm
I'm a little late to the party on this one, but let's back up for a moment.
Ruse, who has been with Willy Fritz for 6+ years gets fired. Fritz, the guy who pats himself on the back for coaching staff continuity, the guy who crowd surfs after beating an FCS team, fires his OC. After going 6-6 and having arguably the best offensive numbers since coming to Tulane, he fires his OC. And then, when he talks about it to the press, he says hes looking to go 50/50 run pass - the same thing he said when he first came to Tulane.
My point is, I don't think this is a Fritz move, I think this is from Dannen. Which backs up what winwave says about administration reading these boards.
Regardless, we know Fritz is here for several more years so this is likely the most positive outcome in the current situation.
Ruse, who has been with Willy Fritz for 6+ years gets fired. Fritz, the guy who pats himself on the back for coaching staff continuity, the guy who crowd surfs after beating an FCS team, fires his OC. After going 6-6 and having arguably the best offensive numbers since coming to Tulane, he fires his OC. And then, when he talks about it to the press, he says hes looking to go 50/50 run pass - the same thing he said when he first came to Tulane.
My point is, I don't think this is a Fritz move, I think this is from Dannen. Which backs up what winwave says about administration reading these boards.
Regardless, we know Fritz is here for several more years so this is likely the most positive outcome in the current situation.
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:15 pm
I believe TD had a huge hand in this.msdos wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:07 pm I'm a little late to the party on this one, but let's back up for a moment.
Ruse, who has been with Willy Fritz for 6+ years gets fired. Fritz, the guy who pats himself on the back for coaching staff continuity, the guy who crowd surfs after beating an FCS team, fires his OC. After going 6-6 and having arguably the best offensive numbers since coming to Tulane, he fires his OC. And then, when he talks about it to the press, he says hes looking to go 50/50 run pass - the same thing he said when he first came to Tulane.
My point is, I don't think this is a Fritz move, I think this is from Dannen. Which backs up what winwave says about administration reading these boards.
Regardless, we know Fritz is here for several more years so this is likely the most positive outcome in the current situation.
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:33 pm
I believe he had a hand in it too because he definitely had a hand in the pitching coach change. His job is on the line too and the people on these boards aren't the only one's that have been upset. All those empty seats at all of our games no matter the sport speak loudly that the fan base is unhappy.
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:36 pm
So Jewett really wanted to keep the pitching coach despite the disaster his pitching staff was two years in a row?winwave wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:33 pm I believe he had a hand in it too because he definitely had a hand in the pitching coach change. His job is on the line too and the people on these boards aren't the only one's that have been upset. All those empty seats at all of our games no matter the sport speak loudly that the fan base is unhappy.
Jesus, if that’s the case, Jewett should have been fired
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:51 pm
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:01 pm
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:05 am
For me, it is very satifying to watch a 5-6 minute drive down the field, with the defense on their heels and getting worn down for the 4th quarter. That's winning football.
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:38 am
Agreed. But the way the sport is today, we shouldn't have games with only 11, 16, 16 and 19 passes. And yet, the odd thing is, we won 3 of those 4 games.anEngineer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:05 am For me, it is very satifying to watch a 5-6 minute drive down the field, with the defense on their heels and getting worn down for the 4th quarter. That's winning football.
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:52 am
Here's a breakdown on our run-pass by game. I've already adjusted the run totals by removing sacks and adding them to the passes, because they're originally count as runs. Of course, I can't tell how many QB runs were originally pass plays.
Run Pass Sacks Opp
38 41 3 WF
41 16 Nich St
34 30 6 UAB
38 19 3 Ohio St
53 25 3 Memphis
36 33 3 Cinn
41 27 5 SMU
55 19 0 Tulsa
51 12 1 USF
47 30 2 ECU
42 25 1 Houston
29 30 1 Navy
My takes from this:
Only two games with more passes than runs: WF and Navy Why?
How can you possibly not throw more in the two blowout games, Ohio State and Houston, if you're trying to win?
We were more run heavy in the first two McMillan starts, probably just being conservative with a new QB
23 sacks in the first 7 games, only 5 in the last 5. Partially a product of the defenses, but also McMillan's presence in pocket compared to Banks.
Yes, Fritz said when he first came here that he wanted to be run first, but ultimately 50/50 run-pass. We were 62/38 this season. That's why Ruse is gone. I have no problem with Fritz stating in his PC that we want to be 50/50. Its not a contradiction. Its a re affirmation of what his philosophy is, and Ruse wasn't giving him that.
Run Pass Sacks Opp
38 41 3 WF
41 16 Nich St
34 30 6 UAB
38 19 3 Ohio St
53 25 3 Memphis
36 33 3 Cinn
41 27 5 SMU
55 19 0 Tulsa
51 12 1 USF
47 30 2 ECU
42 25 1 Houston
29 30 1 Navy
My takes from this:
Only two games with more passes than runs: WF and Navy Why?
How can you possibly not throw more in the two blowout games, Ohio State and Houston, if you're trying to win?
We were more run heavy in the first two McMillan starts, probably just being conservative with a new QB
23 sacks in the first 7 games, only 5 in the last 5. Partially a product of the defenses, but also McMillan's presence in pocket compared to Banks.
Yes, Fritz said when he first came here that he wanted to be run first, but ultimately 50/50 run-pass. We were 62/38 this season. That's why Ruse is gone. I have no problem with Fritz stating in his PC that we want to be 50/50. Its not a contradiction. Its a re affirmation of what his philosophy is, and Ruse wasn't giving him that.
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:22 am
The reason why we ran so much is to shorten games and keep them close as possible until the end. That’s why WF teams have fewer blowout loses. That style of play gives you a chance to win against almost everyone we have on our schedule. Bowden and Rod had the philosophy that we’d have to outscore our opposition to win so he went no huddle and fast paced to makeup for our lack of defense.RobertM320 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:52 am Here's a breakdown on our run-pass by game. I've already adjusted the run totals by removing sacks and adding them to the passes, because they're originally count as runs. Of course, I can't tell how many QB runs were originally pass plays.
Run Pass Sacks Opp
38 41 3 WF
41 16 Nich St
34 30 6 UAB
38 19 3 Ohio St
53 25 3 Memphis
36 33 3 Cinn
41 27 5 SMU
55 19 0 Tulsa
51 12 1 USF
47 30 2 ECU
42 25 1 Houston
29 30 1 Navy
My takes from this:
Only two games with more passes than runs: WF and Navy Why?
How can you possibly not throw more in the two blowout games, Ohio State and Houston, if you're trying to win?
We were more run heavy in the first two McMillan starts, probably just being conservative with a new QB
23 sacks in the first 7 games, only 5 in the last 5. Partially a product of the defenses, but also McMillan's presence in pocket compared to Banks.
Yes, Fritz said when he first came here that he wanted to be run first, but ultimately 50/50 run-pass. We were 62/38 this season. That's why Ruse is gone. I have no problem with Fritz stating in his PC that we want to be 50/50. Its not a contradiction. Its a re affirmation of what his philosophy is, and Ruse wasn't giving him that.
We weren’t as physical as our opponents but we were better conditioned and would always wear them out with that scheme.
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:58 am
That can be done with the short passing game used to balance things out so the other team can't stack the box and have you going 3 and out and putting the D right back out there.anEngineer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:05 am For me, it is very satifying to watch a 5-6 minute drive down the field, with the defense on their heels and getting worn down for the 4th quarter. That's winning football.
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:11 am
I don't know what's funnier-- posters calling for the hiring of disgraced has-been coaches/ unqualified letterman, or thinking they're the second coming of Bill Walsh when it comes to playcalling.
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:19 am
They are equally funny and frequent. Given the recent legal disputes with Bud's Broiler, are you buying your beef and smoke sauce from the company?
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:14 am
I don't know who we are going to get, but I'd guess someone who runs the RPO offense. This offense is hot right now and we've been running a version of that all year.
Since we're talking about what we like, I love good ol' fashion play action football. Run it down their throats and then play action to a wide open back, TE or WR. I know this went by the way side with Bill Walsh, but I love it. Sure was more exciting than the Wishbone.
Since we're talking about what we like, I love good ol' fashion play action football. Run it down their throats and then play action to a wide open back, TE or WR. I know this went by the way side with Bill Walsh, but I love it. Sure was more exciting than the Wishbone.
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:51 am
Hmm, sounds like you are nostalgic for "Buffet Bob" Toledo's West Coast Offense to me?
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:15 pm
I was OK with it but we're lucky we had Mr. Forte. Buffet Bob ran him into the ground.
I'd rather the old Pittsburgh or Miami Offenses. Good ol' dose of Franco Harris then over the top to Lynn Swann. Love it!!
Re: Ruse is out--Search for new OC has begun
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:04 pm
There's a huge dichotomy with a statement that Tulane will "always stress the run, but wants to be 50-50 run/pass." That makes no sense. That's not stressing the run! The SCHEME under Ruse clearly needed to be successful running the football to open up the passing game. We all want to see more points, and we all want to see a more prolific (and frankly more interesting) offense. But, as coached, this offense was successful passing when the opponents were gearing up to stop the run.winwave wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:06 pm I've said all along if we are going to win at this level and especially in this conference we need balance and we need to score a lot of points to win. Glad WF is recognizing that with this move. Here is a recap from when he appeared on the radio yesterday by a poster on another site:
Fritz was on the Kaare Johnson show yesterday on 1280 AM; said Coach Atkins will be the interim OC.
said he wants to beef up the passing game and will find an OC who can provide better balance. He said Tulane will always stress run but wants to be 50-50 in run/pass.
It will be interesting to see what we run in the bowl game. Probably too late to change the offense, but the play calling has to improve. Get the ball to our talented and speed guys on the outside. Even Woodie Hayes ("Mr. 4 yards and a cloud of dust") would have thought Ruse's offense was ugly.
We have McMillan and the Transfer from USM plus whatever QB recruits we sign. Let's hope we can build an offense that doesn't put us to sleep, or make it almost impossible to watch the games a second time. I'm very stoked that we're going in a different direction, and hope we can become a team that scores 30+ week in and week out.