I'm going to itemize my response.jonathanjoseph wrote:I'll continue to bring up Dickson as people continue pushing his excuses as narratives. No, you cannot legitimately suggest that major TV money is a relatively new phenomenon. There is a reason that Lousiville and others were starting down this path 20 years ago, because the writing was on the wall. Only Cowen and Dickson let a 20 year trend sneak up on them and then tell everyone that no one could have seen it coming, when literally everyone else saw it coming.Aberzombie1892 wrote: You do understand that major tv money is a relatively new phenomenon? TV money didn't become a big deal until around the BCS, so any "but they were in the SWC!" arguments don't make sense since the TV money wasn't there back then like it is now.
But that's irrelevant to my point.
It doesn't matter that Baylor lost for those years. The point is, any team in a P5 can become relevant by consistently beating the highest profile teams in its conference, whether it's Baylor or Wake Forest. We don't have the luxury of having big name teams on our schedule consistently.
However, that has nothing to do with the points that either of us are trying to make.
My point is, there is no evidence that winning alone will cure what ails us, and I have provided substantial real world evidence to back up my point. Most counter points to my point are either wishful thinking theories with no evidence or examples of looking to the distant past for how things were and pretend as though the past is achievable in this modern college football climate (which it's not).
Also, why bring up Rick? That has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
Yes there is evidence that winning alone will cure what ails us. It's called common sense and economics. The idea that winning WON'T cure what ails us is stupid enough that it could only have originated with Cowen/Dickson.
Stop pushing Dickson's narratives. Dannen absolutely knows that winning cures everything, just as in business (as Mark Cuban always says) sales cures everything.
Real world - I've provided substantial real world evidence to support that winning by itself in the AAC won't magically cure everything for us. I have yet to see a response, including this particular reply, that includes real world evidence to the contrary. We just need to manage our expectations.
Mark Cuban/NFL - Citing Mark Cuban doesn't make logical sense. We aren't in the NBA (or the NFL for that matter) - the playing field is not equal. I actually made an earlier point about the NFL - NFL teams are relevant to the national picture (playoffs) even when they aren't good. Randomly beating a divisional opponent can knock it out of the playoffs, so even pathetic teams can affect the playoffs. In addition, because NFL teams have major regional followings and limited competition (32 teams), they continue to draw fans when they are bad anyway. This, the comparison doesn't make sense.
The past/Rick/Cowen - Why continue to bring up the past at this point - we all know what happened and who was generally responsible, so why waste the effort? We can't go back in time.