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Re: UCF/Memphis

Postby DfromCT » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:07 pm

golfnut69 wrote:
galvezwave wrote:Congrats and choose that new coach wisely.


personally, Frost is making a mistake, Nebraska is a recruiting wasteland and the good ole Devaney / Osbourne "Country Ride" Walk - On program is no longer the supplementary player program it once was


Frost is a Nebraska Alum. If memory serves correctly, he won or came close to winning the MNC when he was a starting QB there. You cannot blame him for wanting to go home and try to win another National Championship as a HC there. He's not making a mistake. And it's not a black hole of recruiting. He has the tools and resources to win and win it all at Nebraska. He did at UCF as well, as they have facilities and resources few G5 programs do. But you can't blame Frost for wanting to return to the scene of his greatest glory.

UCF is one of the 20 schools I mentioned in another thread that are ahead of Tulane towards being a "have" (and invited to a "Power conference") as opposed to being a "have not" which Tulane is solidly locked into right now. It will take YEARS of winning before we are considered a possibility for a P5 invite. Our location hasn't done us enough the past 20 years, it won't do it without winning regularly for quite a few years to come. We're still on the outside, looking in, and at this point NOBODY hears us knocking. We're an afterthought.

I hope UCF hires a great HC. The coach at James Madison would make them immediate contenders for breaking through to the next level (and would probably last 2 years there!)


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Re: UCF/Memphis

Postby Wave755 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:30 pm

galvezwave wrote:
Wave755 wrote:
galvezwave wrote:Congrats and choose that new coach wisely.

Chris Scelfo is once again available to head coach? And, as an "added bonus," Chris will agree to 350k a year plus promise to "never leave"!!!

UCF should call Chris' brother Sam Scelfo this coming morning at about 4:15 a.m. for further details!

And, if Chris is hired Sam will throw in a free doberge cake for UCF from his World Famous Gambino's Bakery!!! :lol: :-D ;)


Frank is available as well

But, don't call Sam Scelfo on that one, and no doberge cake for you!



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Postby golfnut69 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:40 pm

DfromCT wrote:
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galvezwave wrote:Congrats and choose that new coach wisely.


personally, Frost is making a mistake, Nebraska is a recruiting wasteland and the good ole Devaney / Osbourne "Country Ride" Walk - On program is no longer the supplementary player program it once was


Frost is a Nebraska Alum. If memory serves correctly, he won or came close to winning the MNC when he was a starting QB there. You cannot blame him for wanting to go home and try to win another National Championship as a HC there. He's not making a mistake. And it's not a black hole of recruiting. He has the tools and resources to win and win it all at Nebraska. He did at UCF as well, as they have facilities and resources few G5 programs do. But you can't blame Frost for wanting to return to the scene of his greatest glory.

UCF is one of the 20 schools I mentioned in another thread that are ahead of Tulane towards being a "have" (and invited to a "Power conference") as opposed to being a "have not" which Tulane is solidly locked into right now. It will take YEARS of winning before we are considered a possibility for a P5 invite. Our location hasn't done us enough the past 20 years, it won't do it without winning regularly for quite a few years to come. We're still on the outside, looking in, and at this point NOBODY hears us knocking. We're an afterthought.

I hope UCF hires a great HC. The coach at James Madison would make them immediate contenders for breaking through to the next level (and would probably last 2 years there!)



I do not blame Frost for wanting to go home and make some bucks, but if he thinks Nebraska can be the Nebraska of the late 90's he is wrong and the University of Texas made sure it would never be again, hence they are now in the BIG


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Re: UCF/Memphis

Postby galvezwave » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:47 pm

DfromCT wrote:
golfnut69 wrote:
galvezwave wrote:Congrats and choose that new coach wisely.


personally, Frost is making a mistake, Nebraska is a recruiting wasteland and the good ole Devaney / Osbourne "Country Ride" Walk - On program is no longer the supplementary player program it once was


Frost is a Nebraska Alum. If memory serves correctly, he won or came close to winning the MNC when he was a starting QB there. You cannot blame him for wanting to go home and try to win another National Championship as a HC there. He's not making a mistake. And it's not a black hole of recruiting. He has the tools and resources to win and win it all at Nebraska. He did at UCF as well, as they have facilities and resources few G5 programs do. But you can't blame Frost for wanting to return to the scene of his greatest glory.

UCF is one of the 20 schools I mentioned in another thread that are ahead of Tulane towards being a "have" (and invited to a "Power conference") as opposed to being a "have not" which Tulane is solidly locked into right now. It will take YEARS of winning before we are considered a possibility for a P5 invite. Our location hasn't done us enough the past 20 years, it won't do it without winning regularly for quite a few years to come. We're still on the outside, looking in, and at this point NOBODY hears us knocking. We're an afterthought.

I hope UCF hires a great HC. The coach at James Madison would make them immediate contenders for breaking through to the next level (and would probably last 2 years there!)


UCF is EXACTLY like Tulane. on the national scene, crappy G5s until they're allowed not to be. Like TCU used to be. They just happen to have a better team today. This is the system we're given.



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Re: UCF/Memphis

Postby DfromCT » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:54 pm

galvezwave wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
golfnut69 wrote:
galvezwave wrote:Congrats and choose that new coach wisely.


personally, Frost is making a mistake, Nebraska is a recruiting wasteland and the good ole Devaney / Osbourne "Country Ride" Walk - On program is no longer the supplementary player program it once was


Frost is a Nebraska Alum. If memory serves correctly, he won or came close to winning the MNC when he was a starting QB there. You cannot blame him for wanting to go home and try to win another National Championship as a HC there. He's not making a mistake. And it's not a black hole of recruiting. He has the tools and resources to win and win it all at Nebraska. He did at UCF as well, as they have facilities and resources few G5 programs do. But you can't blame Frost for wanting to return to the scene of his greatest glory.

UCF is one of the 20 schools I mentioned in another thread that are ahead of Tulane towards being a "have" (and invited to a "Power conference") as opposed to being a "have not" which Tulane is solidly locked into right now. It will take YEARS of winning before we are considered a possibility for a P5 invite. Our location hasn't done us enough the past 20 years, it won't do it without winning regularly for quite a few years to come. We're still on the outside, looking in, and at this point NOBODY hears us knocking. We're an afterthought.

I hope UCF hires a great HC. The coach at James Madison would make them immediate contenders for breaking through to the next level (and would probably last 2 years there!)


UCF is EXACTLY like Tulane. on the national scene, crappy G5s until they're allowed not to be. Like TCU used to be. They just happen to have a better team today. This is the system we're given.

UCF is NOTHING like Tulane.

NOTHING

NOTHING

FIrst of all, they exist in a BETTER state to recruit. Per capita is exactly that PER CAPITA.
Secondly, they have 8 times the enrollment of Tulane, and most of their students are IN STATE.
They have a MUCH bigger fan base than Tulane.
They have had MUCH BETTER SUCCESS in the last 20 years than Tulane.
They have a MUCH BETTER SHOT at a P5 invite than Tulane.
UCF doesn't have the academic reputation that Tulane enjoys, but certain programs within the University are higher ranked than Tulane (education, for example).

There's no comparison. UCF is light years ahead of Tulane w/r/t their athletics. Football rules, and UNLIKE TULANE they've not only been to BCS bowl games, they've won them as well. Frost is not the only coach that's brought them national attention. Before the year he stopped coaching, O'Leary brought them to places we've only approached once in our lifetime. And he did it more than once.

Call them a directional school, disparage the integrity of a UCF degree all you want. But UCF is a long way ahead of Tulane in the race to leave the "HAVE NOTS" category.


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Re: UCF/Memphis

Postby galvezwave » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:57 pm

Disagree. They could be southern miss in 7 months. But 1 thing they have going is the desire. Tulane hasn't had it although we're told that is changing.



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Re: UCF/Memphis

Postby Wave755 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:59 pm

galvezwave wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
golfnut69 wrote:
galvezwave wrote:Congrats and choose that new coach wisely.


personally, Frost is making a mistake, Nebraska is a recruiting wasteland and the good ole Devaney / Osbourne "Country Ride" Walk - On program is no longer the supplementary player program it once was


Frost is a Nebraska Alum. If memory serves correctly, he won or came close to winning the MNC when he was a starting QB there. You cannot blame him for wanting to go home and try to win another National Championship as a HC there. He's not making a mistake. And it's not a black hole of recruiting. He has the tools and resources to win and win it all at Nebraska. He did at UCF as well, as they have facilities and resources few G5 programs do. But you can't blame Frost for wanting to return to the scene of his greatest glory.

UCF is one of the 20 schools I mentioned in another thread that are ahead of Tulane towards being a "have" (and invited to a "Power conference") as opposed to being a "have not" which Tulane is solidly locked into right now. It will take YEARS of winning before we are considered a possibility for a P5 invite. Our location hasn't done us enough the past 20 years, it won't do it without winning regularly for quite a few years to come. We're still on the outside, looking in, and at this point NOBODY hears us knocking. We're an afterthought.

I hope UCF hires a great HC. The coach at James Madison would make them immediate contenders for breaking through to the next level (and would probably last 2 years there!)


UCF is EXACTLY like Tulane. on the national scene, crappy G5s until they're allowed not to be. KLike TCU used to be. They just happen to have a better team today. This is the system we're given.

One big season and goodbye coach. But, that is the way it works these days for G5 programs, i.e. Houston, USF, Memphis & now UCF.



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Postby RobertM320 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:04 pm

There's a chance that 50% of the SEC will have new football coaches next season as well.

SEC East
Florida
Tennessee

SEC West
Arkansas
Mississippi State
Texas A&M
Ole Miss
possibly Auburn (word is that Arkansas is willing to put up serious bucks to go after Gus Malzahn)


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Re: UCF/Memphis

Postby Wave755 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:05 pm

DfromCT wrote:
galvezwave wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
golfnut69 wrote:
galvezwave wrote:Congrats and choose that new coach wisely.


personally, Frost is making a mistake, Nebraska is a recruiting wasteland and the good ole Devaney / Osbourne "Country Ride" Walk - On program is no longer the supplementary player program it once was


Frost is a Nebraska Alum. If memory serves correctly, he won or came close to winning the MNC when he was a starting QB there. You cannot blame him for wanting to go home and try to win another National Championship as a HC there. He's not making a mistake. And it's not a black hole of recruiting. He has the tools and resources to win and win it all at Nebraska. He did at UCF as well, as they have facilities and resources few G5 programs do. But you can't blame Frost for wanting to return to the scene of his greatest glory.

UCF is one of the 20 schools I mentioned in another thread that are ahead of Tulane towards being a "have" (and invited to a "Power conference") as opposed to being a "have not" which Tulane is solidly locked into right now. It will take YEARS of winning before we are considered a possibility for a P5 invite. Our location hasn't done us enough the past 20 years, it won't do it without winning regularly for quite a few years to come. We're still on the outside, looking in, and at this point NOBODY hears us knocking. We're an afterthought.

I hope UCF hires a great HC. The coach at James Madison would make them immediate contenders for breaking through to the next level (and would probably last 2 years there!)


UCF is EXACTLY like Tulane. on the national scene, crappy G5s until they're allowed not to be. Like TCU used to be. They just happen to have a better team today. This is the system we're given.

UCF is NOTHING like Tulane.

NOTHING

NOTHING

FIrst of all, they exist in a BETTER state to recruit. Per capita is exactly that PER CAPITA.
Secondly, they have 8 times the enrollment of Tulane, and most of their students are IN STATE.
They have a MUCH bigger fan base than Tulane.
They have had MUCH BETTER SUCCESS in the last 20 years than Tulane.
They have a MUCH BETTER SHOT at a P5 invite than Tulane.
UCF doesn't have the academic reputation that Tulane enjoys, but certain programs within the University are higher ranked than Tulane (education, for example).

There's no comparison. UCF is light years ahead of Tulane w/r/t their athletics. Football rules, and UNLIKE TULANE they've not only been to BCS bowl games, they've won them as well. Frost is not the only coach that's brought them national attention. Before the year he stopped coaching, O'Leary brought them to places we've only approached once in our lifetime. And he did it more than once.

Call them a directional school, disparage the integrity of a UCF degree all you want. But UCF is a long way ahead of Tulane in the race to leave the "HAVE NOTS" category.

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Postby DfromCT » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:15 pm

Wave755 wrote:USN&WR no. 171, below even LSU & Ole Miss.


BFD.

That's the overall University, which has 60,000 undergrads and 12 campuses. They have certain programs, as I pointed out, that are ranked WAY higher than Tulane. Yes, Tulane at $60k/year is ranked much higher. But for less than what it costs to go to Tulane for one year, you can do all 4 at UCF and in some degree categories (again, I mention Education) come away with a degree that's respected more than a Tulane degree. And 4 years out of college it doesn't matter anyway. It's a what have you done lately world. University of Phoenix grads can and do go further if they're the right people.

We need to get off our high horses about the value of a Tulane degree. For student athletes, it's a bs argument. Playing for conference titles and being a factor (which we're not 9 years out of 10, or more accurately 97 years out of 100) plays a MUCH bigger role than USN&WR, ratings, which, as Northeastern University has proven, can be gamed in a big way.

There's PLENTY of schools that are ranked higher than Tulane that aren't even interested in D1 sports. BFD, that USN&WR ranking . It's meaningless.

If you don't think UCF if closer to a P5 invite than Tulane, I want what you're smoking.


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Postby DfromCT » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:22 pm

galvezwave wrote:Disagree. They could be southern miss in 7 months. But 1 thing they have going is the desire. Tulane hasn't had it although we're told that is changing.


They could be. They could also be the # 1 team in Florida next year. Desire goes a long way. We can't get out of our own way. And remember, they've won bigger bowl games than we've played in the last 60 years.


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Postby tpstulane » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:38 pm

Danny White will hire another great coach. UCF won’t lose a step.


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DfromCT wrote:
galvezwave wrote:Disagree. They could be southern miss in 7 months. But 1 thing they have going is the desire. Tulane hasn't had it although we're told that is changing.


They could be. They could also be the # 1 team in Florida next year. Desire goes a long way. We can't get out of our own way. And remember, they've won bigger bowl games than we've played in the last 60 years.

Hmm, Miami is back and let's see who Florida & Florida State bring in for head coach? :warn: One thing we can know with certainty, UCF just lost its coach after only one good season.



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Postby DfromCT » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:34 pm

Wave755 wrote:
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galvezwave wrote:Disagree. They could be southern miss in 7 months. But 1 thing they have going is the desire. Tulane hasn't had it although we're told that is changing.


They could be. They could also be the # 1 team in Florida next year. Desire goes a long way. We can't get out of our own way. And remember, they've won bigger bowl games than we've played in the last 60 years.

Hmm, Miami is back and let's see who Florida & Florida State bring in for head coach? :warn: One thing we can know with certainty, UCF just lost its coach after only one good season.


Perhaps you didn't watch last year?


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Re: UCF/Memphis

Postby Wave755 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:44 pm

DfromCT wrote:
Wave755 wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
galvezwave wrote:Disagree. They could be southern miss in 7 months. But 1 thing they have going is the desire. Tulane hasn't had it although we're told that is changing.


They could be. They could also be the # 1 team in Florida next year. Desire goes a long way. We can't get out of our own way. And remember, they've won bigger bowl games than we've played in the last 60 years.

Hmm, Miami is back and let's see who Florida & Florida State bring in for head coach? :warn: One thing we can know with certainty, UCF just lost its coach after only one good season.


Perhaps you didn't watch last year?

And, perhaps you forgot Miami, Gainsville and Tallahassee are cities in Florida? :wave:



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Postby DfromCT » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:09 pm

Wave755 wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
Wave755 wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
galvezwave wrote:Disagree. They could be southern miss in 7 months. But 1 thing they have going is the desire. Tulane hasn't had it although we're told that is changing.


They could be. They could also be the # 1 team in Florida next year. Desire goes a long way. We can't get out of our own way. And remember, they've won bigger bowl games than we've played in the last 60 years.

Hmm, Miami is back and let's see who Florida & Florida State bring in for head coach? :warn: One thing we can know with certainty, UCF just lost its coach after only one good season.


Perhaps you didn't watch last year?

And, perhaps you forgot Miami, Gainsville and Tallahassee are cities in Florida? :wave:


I didn't guarantee they'd be the best team in Florida, I just said they had the potential to do so. With 60,000 undergrads, and most of them from in state, they have 10000000% better chance of being the #1 team in a more important football state than Tulane does in Louisiana. The discussion was about which teams had a better chance of getting out of the "have nots" category. I'd put money on UCF ahead of Tulane, and lay serious odds at that. They're rivalry with USF drew more fans to the game, and better TV ratings, than any opponent Tulane could schedule because we've sucked for too long. UCF sucked for a year, when their coach quit coaching but kept cashing his pay check. We've just sucked because it's what Tulane does best.

And by the way, UCF could be the highest ranked team in the state by the end of the day. Not likely, but "The U" is getting their hats handed to them by a team that wants to show which of the two belong in the playoff. Clearly it is not the team from Coral Gables (another city in Florida, where "THE U" happens to be.)


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Postby Wave755 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:15 pm

DfromCT wrote:
Wave755 wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
Wave755 wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
galvezwave wrote:Disagree. They could be southern miss in 7 months. But 1 thing they have going is the desire. Tulane hasn't had it although we're told that is changing.


They could be. They could also be the # 1 team in Florida next year. Desire goes a long way. We can't get out of our own way. And remember, they've won bigger bowl games than we've played in the last 60 years.

Hmm, Miami is back and let's see who Florida & Florida State bring in for head coach? :warn: One thing we can know with certainty, UCF just lost its coach after only one good season.


Perhaps you didn't watch last year?

And, perhaps you forgot Miami, Gainsville and Tallahassee are cities in Florida? :wave:


I didn't guarantee they'd be the best team in Florida, I just said they had the potential to do so. With 60,000 undergrads, and most of them from in state, they have 10000000% better chance of being the #1 team in a more important football state than Tulane does in Louisiana. The discussion was about which teams had a better chance of getting out of the "have nots" category. I'd put money on UCF ahead of Tulane, and lay serious odds at that. They're rivalry with USF drew more fans to the game, and better TV ratings, than any opponent Tulane could schedule because we've sucked for too long. UCF sucked for a year, when their coach quit coaching but kept cashing his pay check. We've just sucked because it's what Tulane does best.

And by the way, UCF could be the highest ranked team in the state by the end of the day. Not likely, but "The U" is getting their hats handed to them by a team that wants to show which of the two belong in the playoff. Clearly it is not the team from Coral Gables (another city in Florida, where "THE U" happens to be.)

This time about 2 years ago you put your money on ULALA.



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Postby cajunfanatico » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:35 pm

Wave755 wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
Wave755 wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
Wave755 wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
galvezwave wrote:Disagree. They could be southern miss in 7 months. But 1 thing they have going is the desire. Tulane hasn't had it although we're told that is changing.


They could be. They could also be the # 1 team in Florida next year. Desire goes a long way. We can't get out of our own way. And remember, they've won bigger bowl games than we've played in the last 60 years.

Hmm, Miami is back and let's see who Florida & Florida State bring in for head coach? :warn: One thing we can know with certainty, UCF just lost its coach after only one good season.


Perhaps you didn't watch last year?

And, perhaps you forgot Miami, Gainsville and Tallahassee are cities in Florida? :wave:


I didn't guarantee they'd be the best team in Florida, I just said they had the potential to do so. With 60,000 undergrads, and most of them from in state, they have 10000000% better chance of being the #1 team in a more important football state than Tulane does in Louisiana. The discussion was about which teams had a better chance of getting out of the "have nots" category. I'd put money on UCF ahead of Tulane, and lay serious odds at that. They're rivalry with USF drew more fans to the game, and better TV ratings, than any opponent Tulane could schedule because we've sucked for too long. UCF sucked for a year, when their coach quit coaching but kept cashing his pay check. We've just sucked because it's what Tulane does best.

And by the way, UCF could be the highest ranked team in the state by the end of the day. Not likely, but "The U" is getting their hats handed to them by a team that wants to show which of the two belong in the playoff. Clearly it is not the team from Coral Gables (another city in Florida, where "THE U" happens to be.)

This time about 2 years ago you put your money on ULALA.


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Postby Wave755 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:41 pm

cajunfanatico wrote:
Wave755 wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
Wave755 wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
Wave755 wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
galvezwave wrote:Disagree. They could be southern miss in 7 months. But 1 thing they have going is the desire. Tulane hasn't had it although we're told that is changing.


They could be. They could also be the # 1 team in Florida next year. Desire goes a long way. We can't get out of our own way. And remember, they've won bigger bowl games than we've played in the last 60 years.

Hmm, Miami is back and let's see who Florida & Florida State bring in for head coach? :warn: One thing we can know with certainty, UCF just lost its coach after only one good season.


Perhaps you didn't watch last year?

And, perhaps you forgot Miami, Gainsville and Tallahassee are cities in Florida? :wave:


I didn't guarantee they'd be the best team in Florida, I just said they had the potential to do so. With 60,000 undergrads, and most of them from in state, they have 10000000% better chance of being the #1 team in a more important football state than Tulane does in Louisiana. The discussion was about which teams had a better chance of getting out of the "have nots" category. I'd put money on UCF ahead of Tulane, and lay serious odds at that. They're rivalry with USF drew more fans to the game, and better TV ratings, than any opponent Tulane could schedule because we've sucked for too long. UCF sucked for a year, when their coach quit coaching but kept cashing his pay check. We've just sucked because it's what Tulane does best.

And by the way, UCF could be the highest ranked team in the state by the end of the day. Not likely, but "The U" is getting their hats handed to them by a team that wants to show which of the two belong in the playoff. Clearly it is not the team from Coral Gables (another city in Florida, where "THE U" happens to be.)

This time about 2 years ago you put your money on ULALA.


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Postby lurker123 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:41 pm

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Wave755 wrote:USN&WR no. 171, below even LSU & Ole Miss.


BFD.

That's the overall University, which has 60,000 undergrads and 12 campuses. They have certain programs, as I pointed out, that are ranked WAY higher than Tulane. Yes, Tulane at $60k/year is ranked much higher. But for less than what it costs to go to Tulane for one year, you can do all 4 at UCF and in some degree categories (again, I mention Education) come away with a degree that's respected more than a Tulane degree. And 4 years out of college it doesn't matter anyway. It's a what have you done lately world. University of Phoenix grads can and do go further if they're the right people.

We need to get off our high horses about the value of a Tulane degree. For student athletes, it's a bs argument. Playing for conference titles and being a factor (which we're not 9 years out of 10, or more accurately 97 years out of 100) plays a MUCH bigger role than USN&WR, ratings, which, as Northeastern University has proven, can be gamed in a big way.

There's PLENTY of schools that are ranked higher than Tulane that aren't even interested in D1 sports. BFD, that USN&WR ranking . It's meaningless.

If you don't think UCF if closer to a P5 invite than Tulane, I want what you're smoking.


We'll see what happens athletically. As concerns academics and reputation for employment purposes, a Tulane degree travels nationally. A UCF degree doesn't even make it out of the state of Florida. 92% of UCF's current student body are Florida residents. It's not even a regional school. So yes if you are only a school with a local state residential student body (like most of the highly ranked UC system schools) than relative rankings like US News matter to give a school national cred. UCF doesn't have it. At least an LSU diploma will get you a job interview in Houston and perhaps Atlanta.

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Postby Bigschtick » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:28 am

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swampnik wrote:In two short years UCF went from 0-12 to 12-0! Well played and coaching does make a difference.

Yep. Had Tulane hired Danny White as our AD he would have hired Frost here.
UCF acted first and hired White in November 2015 while Tulane waited until early December to hire Dannen. Dickson announced in May that he was retiring well before UCF had an opening.



Would Danny White have come here if offered the job? I doubt it. That said, what a great game!!!


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Postby tpstulane » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:05 am

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swampnik wrote:In two short years UCF went from 0-12 to 12-0! Well played and coaching does make a difference.

Yep. Had Tulane hired Danny White as our AD he would have hired Frost here.
UCF acted first and hired White in November 2015 while Tulane waited until early December to hire Dannen. Dickson announced in May that he was retiring well before UCF had an opening.



Would Danny White have come here if offered the job? I doubt it. That said, what a great game!!!

He was at Buffalo at the time. Had we offered him on June 1 yes. We waited too long and better jobs opened up.


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Postby DfromCT » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:38 pm

Wave755 wrote:This time about 2 years ago you put your money on ULALA.


The BIG BS Flag is thrown on this post. Go back and find that post. There's a difference between saying a program is ahead of Tulane and a program is closer to a P invite than the other one. And UCF is a whole lot closer than we are today, and have been for the last 5-7 years.

Can't you just admit that where we stand TODAY is a FAR, FAR, FAR cry from a P5 invite. Any P5 that invited us would be ridiculed. Get over it, it's the reality we face.


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Re: UCF/Memphis

Postby DfromCT » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:42 pm

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DfromCT wrote:
Wave755 wrote:USN&WR no. 171, below even LSU & Ole Miss.


BFD.

That's the overall University, which has 60,000 undergrads and 12 campuses. They have certain programs, as I pointed out, that are ranked WAY higher than Tulane. Yes, Tulane at $60k/year is ranked much higher. But for less than what it costs to go to Tulane for one year, you can do all 4 at UCF and in some degree categories (again, I mention Education) come away with a degree that's respected more than a Tulane degree. And 4 years out of college it doesn't matter anyway. It's a what have you done lately world. University of Phoenix grads can and do go further if they're the right people.

We need to get off our high horses about the value of a Tulane degree. For student athletes, it's a bs argument. Playing for conference titles and being a factor (which we're not 9 years out of 10, or more accurately 97 years out of 100) plays a MUCH bigger role than USN&WR, ratings, which, as Northeastern University has proven, can be gamed in a big way.

There's PLENTY of schools that are ranked higher than Tulane that aren't even interested in D1 sports. BFD, that USN&WR ranking . It's meaningless.

If you don't think UCF if closer to a P5 invite than Tulane, I want what you're smoking.


We'll see what happens athletically. As concerns academics and reputation for employment purposes, a Tulane degree travels nationally. A UCF degree doesn't even make it out of the state of Florida. 92% of UCF's current student body are Florida residents. It's not even a regional school. So yes if you are only a school with a local state residential student body (like most of the highly ranked UC system schools) than relative rankings like US News matter to give a school national cred. UCF doesn't have it. At least an LSU diploma will get you a job interview in Houston and perhaps Atlanta.

https://www.ucf.edu/about-ucf/facts/


Who the hell cares? You actually make a GREAT point: UCF graduates 15k a year, and they stay in state. Guess what: that means their fan base grows at a rate of about 10x a year that ours does. Besides, 5 years out of college it's a whole lot more about what you've done since you graduated than where you went to school.


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Re: UCF/Memphis

Postby Wave755 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:49 pm

DfromCT wrote:
lurker123 wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
Wave755 wrote:USN&WR no. 171, below even LSU & Ole Miss.


BFD.

That's the overall University, which has 60,000 undergrads and 12 campuses. They have certain programs, as I pointed out, that are ranked WAY higher than Tulane. Yes, Tulane at $60k/year is ranked much higher. But for less than what it costs to go to Tulane for one year, you can do all 4 at UCF and in some degree categories (again, I mention Education) come away with a degree that's respected more than a Tulane degree. And 4 years out of college it doesn't matter anyway. It's a what have you done lately world. University of Phoenix grads can and do go further if they're the right people.

We need to get off our high horses about the value of a Tulane degree. For student athletes, it's a bs argument. Playing for conference titles and being a factor (which we're not 9 years out of 10, or more accurately 97 years out of 100) plays a MUCH bigger role than USN&WR, ratings, which, as Northeastern University has proven, can be gamed in a big way.

There's PLENTY of schools that are ranked higher than Tulane that aren't even interested in D1 sports. BFD, that USN&WR ranking . It's meaningless.

If you don't think UCF if closer to a P5 invite than Tulane, I want what you're smoking.


We'll see what happens athletically. As concerns academics and reputation for employment purposes, a Tulane degree travels nationally. A UCF degree doesn't even make it out of the state of Florida. 92% of UCF's current student body are Florida residents. It's not even a regional school. So yes if you are only a school with a local state residential student body (like most of the highly ranked UC system schools) than relative rankings like US News matter to give a school national cred. UCF doesn't have it. At least an LSU diploma will get you a job interview in Houston and perhaps Atlanta.

https://www.ucf.edu/about-ucf/facts/


Who the hell cares? You actually make a GREAT point: UCF graduates 15k a year, and they stay in state. Guess what: that means their fan base grows at a rate of about 10x a year that ours does. Besides, 5 years out of college it's a whole lot more about what you've done since you graduated than where you went to school.

UCF is Orlando's UNO, Florida will always be their State Flagship university(medical & law schools) & Miami will always be Miami. And, your comments a couple of years ago that ULALA was ahead of Tulane also proved ridiculous. After all, your 2015 "model program" ULALA just lost yesterday 63 -14 to Appy State and today fired its "Knute Rockne like" coach Mark Hudspeth. :)



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