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New course at City Park opens to rave reviews:
Forbes magazine article...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikmatusz ... 4151e87c6f


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tpstulane wrote:New course at City Park opens to rave reviews:
Forbes magazine article...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikmatusz ... 4151e87c6f
Friend who has been in the golf profession 20 years has played it before the public open says it's good but no better than ET, TPC, or Lakewood. The comparisons to Torrey Pines is hilarious.
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I once lost 10 balls there trying to drive over water. I also lost my friend's wedge during the same round.
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tpstulane wrote:New course at City Park opens to rave reviews:
Forbes magazine article...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikmatusz ... 4151e87c6f
Friend who has been in the golf profession 20 years has played it before the public open says it's good but no better than ET, TPC, or Lakewood. The comparisons to Torrey Pines is hilarious.
I haven't seen it in person only in pictures. As a kid I grew up in Lakeview and would play all the courses including the North, South, East and West a lot. I'm looking forward to seeing how they combined the East and West courses into one. I'm sure the PGA will eventually host an event there. I've seen Torrey Pines in person and it's something else. I can't image that either.
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One of the instructors at Golftec played it yesterday and said it's by far the best course in the city. Can't wait to check it out. I like Lakewood but I find it hard to believe it's anywhere near the level of this new course. Lakewood is a pretty big step down from English Turn.
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Congrats .but comparing this to Torrey Pines is crazy for a few reasons...no views of, or breezes from the Pacific Ocean and not one elevation change !!! this place, from the photos reminds me of the CC of Houston, which used to be called Red Stone and before that El Dorado CC, which I played many times and where the Houston Open is played..the good thing about the course is it is already "mature" large old trees and already existing lagoons... I grew up on the "south" course, which was the ONLY course when I was much younger.. I played the east, west and north courses numerous times and am glad for those opportunities.. East Jeff parish missed an opportunity to buy the old Colonial CC and make it public, not a very good biz decision the old Jefferson Downs / LaFaniere Park should have been a public course, they missed the boat there also...I look forward to playing the venue one day...I hope the PGA moves the tournament there or maybe a "Champions" event can be held on the site
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golfnut69 wrote:Congrats .but comparing this to Torrey Pines is crazy for a few reasons...no views of, or breezes from the Pacific Ocean and not one elevation change !!! this place, from the photos reminds me of the CC of Houston, which used to be called Red Stone and before that El Dorado CC, which I played many times and where the Houston Open is played..the good thing about the course is it is already "mature" large old trees and already existing lagoons... I grew up on the "south" course, which was the ONLY course when I was much younger.. I played the east, west and north courses numerous times and am glad for those opportunities.. East Jeff parish missed an opportunity to buy the old Colonial CC and make it public, not a very good biz decision the old Jefferson Downs / LaFaniere Park should have been a public course, they missed the boat there also...I look forward to playing the venue one day...I hope the PGA moves the tournament there or maybe a "Champions" event can be held on the site
Perhaps the citizens of Jeff Parish take a different view. Why pay taxes for unneeded muni course(s) owned by the government? When did golfers become socialists? I thought conventional wisdom describes them as the most right wing of all.

(Check out the link for a very famous baseball playing communist hitting the links instead of a curve ball.)

https://www.google.com/search?q=castro+ ... SgIOY7LxcM:

Meanwhile lots of opportunities to play golf around N.O. at a reasonable price and it doesn't cost JP tax payers a dime. There are several privately owned pay for play courses open to the public like Colonial and TPC in JP. There are more in N.O. within easy driving distance like Lakewood and numerous muni courses owned by the City and paid for by Orleans Parish taxpayers.

Why is Metairie the largest unincorporated city in the United States? Perhaps because its citizens view the benefits as not worth the cost of incorporating. That includes muni golf courses.
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lurker123 wrote:
golfnut69 wrote:Congrats .but comparing this to Torrey Pines is crazy for a few reasons...no views of, or breezes from the Pacific Ocean and not one elevation change !!! this place, from the photos reminds me of the CC of Houston, which used to be called Red Stone and before that El Dorado CC, which I played many times and where the Houston Open is played..the good thing about the course is it is already "mature" large old trees and already existing lagoons... I grew up on the "south" course, which was the ONLY course when I was much younger.. I played the east, west and north courses numerous times and am glad for those opportunities.. East Jeff parish missed an opportunity to buy the old Colonial CC and make it public, not a very good biz decision the old Jefferson Downs / LaFaniere Park should have been a public course, they missed the boat there also...I look forward to playing the venue one day...I hope the PGA moves the tournament there or maybe a "Champions" event can be held on the site
Perhaps the citizens of Jeff Parish take a different view. Why pay taxes for unneeded muni course(s) owned by the government? When did golfers become socialists? I thought conventional wisdom describes them as the most right wing of all.

(Check out the link for a very famous baseball playing communist hitting the links instead of a curve ball.)

https://www.google.com/search?q=castro+ ... SgIOY7LxcM:

Meanwhile lots of opportunities to play golf around N.O. at a reasonable price and it doesn't cost JP tax payers a dime. There are several privately owned pay for play courses open to the public like Colonial and TPC in JP. There are more in N.O. within easy driving distance like Lakewood and numerous muni courses owned by the City and paid for by Orleans Parish taxpayers.

Why is Metairie the largest unincorporated city in the United States? Perhaps because its citizens view the benefits as not worth the cost. That includes muni golf courses.
And Jeff Parish does not get one dime of revenue...people of Orleans were outraged by this course being built, but the revenue will pay for all operational cost of the entire park...I do not know how many "public / daily' fee courses are available in metro NOLA ..here in Georgetown, TX within a 12 mile radius of my home, there are currently 8 with another two on the drawing board...and the number i listed does not reflect any of the courses available in metro Austin
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lurker123 wrote: Perhaps the citizens of Jeff Parish take a different view. Why pay taxes for unneeded muni course(s) owned by the government? When did golfers become socialists? I thought conventional wisdom describes them as the most right wing of all.

(Check out the link for a very famous baseball playing communist hitting the links instead of a curve ball.)

https://www.google.com/search?q=castro+ ... SgIOY7LxcM:

Meanwhile lots of opportunities to play golf around N.O. at a reasonable price and it doesn't cost JP tax payers a dime. There are several privately owned pay for play courses open to the public like Colonial and TPC in JP. There are more in N.O. within easy driving distance like Lakewood and numerous muni courses owned by the City and paid for by Orleans Parish taxpayers.

Why is Metairie the largest unincorporated city in the United States? Perhaps because its citizens view the benefits as not worth the cost. That includes muni golf courses.

There are MANY ways that a course can be owned by a city or municipality without it being a drain on taxpayers money. Here in Stamford, CT we have two courses. One is run by the City, with the Superintendent and the Pro (and their staffs) being City employees. It's the older course in town, not as good (IMHO) as the other course, but has nice greens and is run in a manner that breaks even. It gets about 35-40,000 rounds/year. The other course is run by a private entity, the Stamford Golf Authority, which has a lease on the course from the town. The town collects the lease money and doesn't pay the expenses of running the golf course. This course, considered one of the finest "muni" courses in the Northeast, gets about 50-60,000 rounds per year (depending upon how mild the winter is). It turns a profit, though most of the cashflow goes back into the course. It also has a driving range that is open 365 days/year and is a huge cash cow. The residents of Stamford get to enjoy two courses and play close to 100,000 rounds of golf every year without the City having to foot the bill. And you better believe that City golf courses add value to the housing market in Stamford.

Within a 25 mile radius, there's at least a dozen famous, storied golf courses that are unavailable to the average joe. The muni courses keep the game going for those of us that don't have a few hundred K to "invest" in a country club membership.
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golfnut69 wrote:
lurker123 wrote:
golfnut69 wrote:Congrats .but comparing this to Torrey Pines is crazy for a few reasons...no views of, or breezes from the Pacific Ocean and not one elevation change !!! this place, from the photos reminds me of the CC of Houston, which used to be called Red Stone and before that El Dorado CC, which I played many times and where the Houston Open is played..the good thing about the course is it is already "mature" large old trees and already existing lagoons... I grew up on the "south" course, which was the ONLY course when I was much younger.. I played the east, west and north courses numerous times and am glad for those opportunities.. East Jeff parish missed an opportunity to buy the old Colonial CC and make it public, not a very good biz decision the old Jefferson Downs / LaFaniere Park should have been a public course, they missed the boat there also...I look forward to playing the venue one day...I hope the PGA moves the tournament there or maybe a "Champions" event can be held on the site
Perhaps the citizens of Jeff Parish take a different view. Why pay taxes for unneeded muni course(s) owned by the government? When did golfers become socialists? I thought conventional wisdom describes them as the most right wing of all.

(Check out the link for a very famous baseball playing communist hitting the links instead of a curve ball.)

https://www.google.com/search?q=castro+ ... SgIOY7LxcM:

Meanwhile lots of opportunities to play golf around N.O. at a reasonable price and it doesn't cost JP tax payers a dime. There are several privately owned pay for play courses open to the public like Colonial and TPC in JP. There are more in N.O. within easy driving distance like Lakewood and numerous muni courses owned by the City and paid for by Orleans Parish taxpayers.

Why is Metairie the largest unincorporated city in the United States? Perhaps because its citizens view the benefits as not worth the cost. That includes muni golf courses.
And Jeff Parish does not get one dime of revenue...people of Orleans were outraged by this course being built, but the revenue will pay for all operational cost of the entire park...I do not know how many "public / daily' fee courses are available in metro NOLA ..here in Georgetown, TX within a 12 mile radius of my home, there are currently 8 with another two on the drawing board...and the number i listed does not reflect any of the courses available in metro Austin
on a side note, the reason Metairie does not have a public course is there is no land available...I grew up in Metry, played touch football on I-10 before it was open to traffic, Bonnabel Blvd was one lane each way and the median twice as wide with bonfires every New Years eve from Codifer Blvd to the Lake...there was always talk of a golf course but the land could not be acquired
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This looks to be a magnificent course. Rees Jones (son of legendary Robert Trent Jones) is arguably the preeminent g.c. architect and you can count on the facility being first rate. If you read the article, it did not compare the course to Bethpage nor Torrey Pines but implied that it will have the public IMPACT of those courses. For those that wish to debate the merits of 'socialist' projects such as golf courses...C'MON MAN! Do a ROI analysis of this course for the NOLA economy as compared to the state investment in the Dome. Forbes recently reported that Tom Benson "is set to rake in an estimated $392 million from state subsidies through 2025". Dollar for dollar, the new course is chump change with a potentially greater proportional return.

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I am not surprised about the beauty of it. The West course was a spectacular place to play as a design. It was the condition that made it a disappointment.
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I've just played 9 on it today before it got too hot and it's a beautiful and well designed course especially compared to the POS course that was there before it.

My only gripe is that it's so damn expensive for a public golf course. I'm not sure how the local populous is going to be able to afford to play on this course. It was a total of around $33 to ride 9 holes on the north course and with a drink it was close to $40.
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I wonder of TU golf will be moving to City Park and whether the Sugar Bowl Tourney moves there as well.
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mbawavefan12 wrote:I wonder of TU golf will be moving to City Park and whether the Sugar Bowl Tourney moves there as well.
Not likely. Tulane has a special relationship with English Turn which is private. City Park is public. We also pratice at Audubon which is close for the players.
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It's a very difficult, thankless job to work at a golf tournament but someone has to do it. 8-) Here I am on the practice range at the Zurich today when the lovely young ladies from the Tulane golf team showed up.

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