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"There is absolutely no ability for us (teams in the Group of 5) to be in that national title conversation," Frazier said. "That's just reality. Anyone that says we can: that's a flat-out lie."
"There is absolutely no ability for us (teams in the Group of 5) to be in that national title conversation," Frazier said. "That's just reality. Anyone that says we can: that's a flat-out lie."
Thanks for posting TPS. Also from that story in case others haven't clicked the link to the story...tpstulane wrote:This could cement the separation Cowen spoke about years ago.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/st ... er-5-teams"There is absolutely no ability for us (teams in the Group of 5) to be in that national title conversation," Frazier said. "That's just reality. Anyone that says we can: that's a flat-out lie."
American Conference commissioner Mike Aresco has no interest in it either.
"The answer is an emphatic no," Aresco said. "We compete for national championships like anyone else in FBS, including the Power 5, and have no interest in any kind of separate championship."
I'm sorry, D, but I just don't see that. No way the P5's will carve up the pie that much. I think we'll eventually get to 8, but that's it.DfromCT wrote: By the time we're eligible to do so (2025) the playoff should have expanded to 16 teams.
8 seems like the logical number as it only adds an additional week to the schedule and would get us to a point where the bubble teams at 9 & 10 are far less deserving than those that are at 5 & 6. Applying to this year would have Penn St., Michigan and Oklahoma in, with other P5 3 loss teams still on the outside. Obviously the American is in a much better position current than the other G5s in that an undefeated American team would have a real chance to make it to Top 8. But as evidenced, an undefeated MAC team (W. Michigan) only rose to 15th. But if left as just TOP 4, I'm not sure an undefeated UH team this year with wins over OU and UL would have gotten them into the playoff. And in that's the case then the AD's are right that there is no way any G5 would be able to compete for a Nat'l championship with the current system. Even so, I'd rather win the American and go to a good bowl game under the current system than compete for a Division 1B (G5) championship.ajcalhoun wrote:I'm sorry, D, but I just don't see that. No way the P5's will carve up the pie that much. I think we'll eventually get to 8, but that's it.DfromCT wrote: By the time we're eligible to do so (2025) the playoff should have expanded to 16 teams.
Whether it's 8, 12 or 16, it will expand for two reasons. 1. Make the pie much larger, and 2. Hopefully reduce the number of irrelevant and god-awful bowl games.ajcalhoun wrote:I'm sorry, D, but I just don't see that. No way the P5's will carve up the pie that much. I think we'll eventually get to 8, but that's it.DfromCT wrote: By the time we're eligible to do so (2025) the playoff should have expanded to 16 teams.
Bowl games do not have to disappear in name. They simply "buy" the playoff games like the existing system does for semifinals or neutral sites do for today's NCAA MBB tournament.HoustonWave wrote:Whether it's 8, 12 or 16, it will expand for two reasons. 1. Make the pie much larger, and 2. Hopefully reduce the number of irrelevant and god-awful bowl games.ajcalhoun wrote:I'm sorry, D, but I just don't see that. No way the P5's will carve up the pie that much. I think we'll eventually get to 8, but that's it.DfromCT wrote: By the time we're eligible to do so (2025) the playoff should have expanded to 16 teams.
I agree. I think it should be 6 with the 1&2 having a first round bye. G5 teams should have first dibs on the 5 and 6 seeds if they are undefeated. This would make things much smoother.ajcalhoun wrote:I'm sorry, D, but I just don't see that. No way the P5's will carve up the pie that much. I think we'll eventually get to 8, but that's it.DfromCT wrote: By the time we're eligible to do so (2025) the playoff should have expanded to 16 teams.
Until there is no hope left to move into the P5 I think it's in Tulane's best interest not to go that route at this time. Once you do that you basically create a lower division and are forever locked into the "kiddie pool" with no hope of ever getting out. It was a dream of Scott Cowen hence the size of our current stadium. You'll lose support as well. I wouldn't be a interested in supporting a program that doesn't compete at the highest level. I'm sure others would feel the same.DfromCT wrote:This is a topic that the NCAA is keeping behind closed doors. The implications of doing a G5 playoff are huge: it will make for a bigger split between the P5 and G5. At the same time, it would add revenue and viewership for the lesser bowl games, and make the G5 conference championship games more interesting. I don't think a G5 playoff would ever generate the interest of a P5 playoff, but let's be realistic: the G5 will have a tough time placing ANY team into the D1 playoff on any given year. Had Houston gone undefeated last year they probably would have been in, but there's no guarantee.
What do y'all think?
+10000000000winwave wrote:Terrible idea. We will then be a part of what we always viewed as 1-AA. Think recruiting is tough now imagine how rough it will be then. Can't see Aresco allowing that to happen.
BTW, what is the source for this supposedly behind closed door scenario?
You might as well go Div 3, save the money and join the Magnolia Conference or whatever it's called. With luck and nice weather, you would draw 2000 to a homecoming game with Emory.NOLABigSteve wrote:+10000000000winwave wrote:Terrible idea. We will then be a part of what we always viewed as 1-AA. Think recruiting is tough now imagine how rough it will be then. Can't see Aresco allowing that to happen.
BTW, what is the source for this supposedly behind closed door scenario?
IF this ever happens, I'm done with Tulane football, because then we will truly be done trying to compete or be big-time.
We have no one to blame but ourselves for being in this position.DfromCT wrote:People are responding as if this would be Tulane's decision. It would not. It would be decided at the NCAA level. I think it's a bad idea, but I do think the P5 members would want this to further separate from the G5. I would hope ALL G5 conferences would sue the NCAA if this were to move forward.
It does reek of collusion at the highest levels, but rest assured it has been discussed.
If the G5 hasn't sued yet, why would you think they would if anything changed? Out of the 180+ G5 schedules that have been played over the first 3 years of the playoff, only one was good enough to be even -considered- for the playoff if that G5 team had not lost any games (2016 Houston), so the G5 more or less has no realistic chance of landing in the four team playoff as it is currently structured. If that is not enough to sue, then I don't know what would be.DfromCT wrote:People are responding as if this would be Tulane's decision. It would not. It would be decided at the NCAA level. I think it's a bad idea, but I do think the P5 members would want this to further separate from the G5. I would hope ALL G5 conferences would sue the NCAA if this were to move forward.
It does reek of collusion at the highest levels, but rest assured it has been discussed.