US World and News Rankings. Tulane Law #50, Bus #61

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Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:40 am



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Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:45 pm

It seems clear that Tulane's B-Schools' MBA program (2 year full time) is no longer a "target" business school and the fall of the business school is dangerous for Tulane.

Tulane's B-School is no longer a Target because, for the third year in a row (that used actual honest data), we could not persuade at least 200 people to submit an application for a Tulane MBA. Think about that - Tulane, which draws applications from 26,000+ undergraduates a year, cannot convince 200 people to at least -consider- attending Tulane's MBA program (even if they were offered a large scholarship). Further, out of the 53 people that actually enrolled, I guarantee you that at least half of that number are joint degree seekers (MBA/MPH, MBA/MD, MBA/JD, MBA/MA, MBA/PHD etc.) that were already pursing a different Tulane degree and thought, why not add an MBA?. That's fine, but that just means that the Tulane MBA is truly unattractive. Please remember also that Tulane's ranking fell as a result of the actual truthful information being used and not because it was caught sending incorrect information - Tulane's MBA program has deserved to be in the 60s and 70s for awhile now, and, now that the dean has controls in place to prevent incorrect information from being sent to US News, the MBA will be there and will likely remain there. Remember also that Tulane's B-school has an endowment of around $65 million while, for example, UChicago has a B-School endowment of around $650 Million. Honestly, unless something dramatic happens, I could envision a future where Tulane no longer offers this degree (2 year, full time MBA).

The fall of the B-School is dangerous because its' rank is one of the four major ranks for universities like Tulane - the B-School, Law School, Medical School, and Undergraduate School rankings are all extremely relevant and generally define universities like Tulane to individuals that are not already familiar with the school. I mean geez, the law school is in the 60s, the medical school is unranked (by choice), and the undergraduate and law schools are in the 50s. Those rankings will certainly convince individuals that apply to the top schools in each region to also send an application to Tulane (insert sarcasm here). Sure the Medical School, Law School and Undergraduate school are okay for now, but, if their situation remains the same, they will not always be fine.

Some people would argue that it is just a money problem, and I would tell those individuals to compare us to Carnegie Mellon (Undergrad/Business) - they have roughly the same size endowment as us, yet that are very high profile in those areas and are cutting edge in others (computers science/engineering/statistics/public affairs). Name one area where Tulane is ranked in the top 10 according to US News that isn't the "Up and Coming" or "Veterans" category (I do like that we are top 10 for Vets, but that is not relevant to this particular discussion and the "Up and Coming" category means nothing).

On a side note, has anyone else noticed all of the negative press about Tulane over the last year? Tulane fired that individual that had a criminal record that apparently no one knew about, there was a murder suicide, there were some other suicides, a dangerous bacteria infected several monkeys at the National Primate Center, that same bacteria may have infected an individual, it was revealed that Tulane had a yearly deficit, etc. We need some good news.
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Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:57 pm

Tulane needs to put all of its focus/resources/money on the undergrad, IMO. That ranking HAS to be fixed and frankly needs to be if TU is to thrive long-term.

The bubble has now burst for law schools (applications and enrollment are way down nationwide) and Tulane requires far too much debt for a school not ranked among the elite.

Full-time MBAs are almost obsolete except at the top schools. Plus, NOLA is not really an MBA market. TU can still have a good niche program with a strong energy focus.
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Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:05 pm

Carnegie-Mellon was the beneficiary of a recent $40M donation from hedge funder David Tepper, the school was renamed for him.
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Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:03 pm

Dr. Rosenrosen wrote:Tulane needs to put all of its focus/resources/money on the undergrad, IMO. That ranking HAS to be fixed and frankly needs to be if TU is to thrive long-term.

The bubble has now burst for law schools (applications and enrollment are way down nationwide) and Tulane requires far too much debt for a school not ranked among the elite.

Full-time MBAs are almost obsolete except at the top schools. Plus, NOLA is not really an MBA market. TU can still have a good niche program with a strong energy focus.
In the very near future, an MBA without a computer science component will be worthless. So of course Cowen killed CS.
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