Big XII Expansion

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Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:43 am

DfromCT wrote:
Jaxwave wrote:Very simple. There will never be a P6 conference. The P5s will never agree to share revenue with a 6th conference. There might be a handful of G5 schools get assumed into a P5 conference if the money makes sense to a particular conference such as Florida schools in AAC moving into Big 12. But that will be the extent of it.
I could easily see the ACC adding UConn and Tulane or another quality academic institution. But we'd have to have Football and Basketball win and win regularly for the years between now and when the "Big Bang" happens. That's when all the "Power Conferences" go to 16 members (and hopefully there's still 5 "Power Conferences" in the aftermath) and the official split between the P5 and everyone else creates three D1 levels.

As I've said repeatedly for years, Cowen misreading the tea leaves in the wake of the 1998 season has cost this University a few hundred million dollars, and untold how many more going forward. We were in better position than TCU to get into a P6 conference at the time, and he pissed it away.

In the next 5-10 years there will be a big split. Dannen, Fritz and Dunleavy could be heros if we get into the "haves" rather than the remain with the "have nots" we keep company with now.
Bullseye D, on all points. Cowen definitely killed us after the 1998 season. One of the great blunders in Tulane history--equal to what Rufus The Dufus did to us.
I have to believe that all P5 eventually go to 16 teams (four 4-team divisions) for a variety of reasons not the least of which is that it will create stronger geographic rivalries within each division (in all sports), reduce travel costs (especially for the secondary sports), and best of all allow each conference to have its own 3-game playoff in all sports. In looking ahead to the possibility of 16-team P5's, a total of 16 teams would be added to the P5's (Big XII 6; Big 10 2; ACC 2; SEC 2; PAC 12 4). Ironically the SEC might have the hardest time finding 2 teams (assuming anchor teams like OU and UT stay put). The PAC 12 will also struggle to find 4 quality schools. I could also see the Big 10 pirating Mizzou from the SEC, and the SEC taking WVa. from the Big XII--making the Big XII bogie 7 schools. Tulane's best chances are with the ACC and Big XII, with an outside shot at the SEC if the other SEC schools pressure LSU to cease their resistance. Fitts, Dannen, Fritz and Dunleavy have to be preparing for this day. As you said, hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake--something Cowen could never understand.


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Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:51 am

HoustonWave wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
Jaxwave wrote:Very simple. There will never be a P6 conference. The P5s will never agree to share revenue with a 6th conference. There might be a handful of G5 schools get assumed into a P5 conference if the money makes sense to a particular conference such as Florida schools in AAC moving into Big 12. But that will be the extent of it.
I could easily see the ACC adding UConn and Tulane or another quality academic institution. But we'd have to have Football and Basketball win and win regularly for the years between now and when the "Big Bang" happens. That's when all the "Power Conferences" go to 16 members (and hopefully there's still 5 "Power Conferences" in the aftermath) and the official split between the P5 and everyone else creates three D1 levels.

As I've said repeatedly for years, Cowen misreading the tea leaves in the wake of the 1998 season has cost this University a few hundred million dollars, and untold how many more going forward. We were in better position than TCU to get into a P6 conference at the time, and he pissed it away.

In the next 5-10 years there will be a big split. Dannen, Fritz and Dunleavy could be heros if we get into the "haves" rather than the remain with the "have nots" we keep company with now.
Bullseye D, on all points. Cowen definitely killed us after the 1998 season. And I have to believe that all P5 eventually go to 16 teams (four 4-team divisions) for a variety of reasons not the least of which is that it will create stronger geographic rivalries within each division (in all sports), reduce travel costs (especially for the secondary sports), and best of all allow each conference to have its own 3-game playoff in all sports. In looking ahead to the possibility of 16-team P5's, a total of 16 teams would be added to the P5's (Big XII 6; Big 10 2; ACC 2; SEC 2; PAC 12 4). Ironically the SEC might have the hardest time finding 2 teams (assuming anchor teams like OU and UT stay put). The PAC 12 will also struggle to find 4 quality schools. I could also see the Big 10 pirating Mizzou from the SEC, and the SEC taking WVa. from the Big XII--making the Big XII bogie 7 schools. Tulane's best chances are with the ACC and Big XII, with an outside shot at the SEC if the other SEC schools pressure LSU to cease their resistance. Fitts, Dannen, Fritz and Dunleavy have to be preparing for this day. As you said, hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake--something Cowen could never understand.
after watching A&M and Arkansas get their ass handed to them on a regular basis OU and the University of Texas @ Austin want nothing to do with the SEC grinder and why should they...they will bide their time in the Big 12 until the PAC 12 comes calling
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:01 pm

golfnut69 wrote:
HoustonWave wrote:
DfromCT wrote:
Jaxwave wrote:Very simple. There will never be a P6 conference. The P5s will never agree to share revenue with a 6th conference. There might be a handful of G5 schools get assumed into a P5 conference if the money makes sense to a particular conference such as Florida schools in AAC moving into Big 12. But that will be the extent of it.
I could easily see the ACC adding UConn and Tulane or another quality academic institution. But we'd have to have Football and Basketball win and win regularly for the years between now and when the "Big Bang" happens. That's when all the "Power Conferences" go to 16 members (and hopefully there's still 5 "Power Conferences" in the aftermath) and the official split between the P5 and everyone else creates three D1 levels.

As I've said repeatedly for years, Cowen misreading the tea leaves in the wake of the 1998 season has cost this University a few hundred million dollars, and untold how many more going forward. We were in better position than TCU to get into a P6 conference at the time, and he pissed it away.

In the next 5-10 years there will be a big split. Dannen, Fritz and Dunleavy could be heros if we get into the "haves" rather than the remain with the "have nots" we keep company with now.
Bullseye D, on all points. Cowen definitely killed us after the 1998 season. And I have to believe that all P5 eventually go to 16 teams (four 4-team divisions) for a variety of reasons not the least of which is that it will create stronger geographic rivalries within each division (in all sports), reduce travel costs (especially for the secondary sports), and best of all allow each conference to have its own 3-game playoff in all sports. In looking ahead to the possibility of 16-team P5's, a total of 16 teams would be added to the P5's (Big XII 6; Big 10 2; ACC 2; SEC 2; PAC 12 4). Ironically the SEC might have the hardest time finding 2 teams (assuming anchor teams like OU and UT stay put). The PAC 12 will also struggle to find 4 quality schools. I could also see the Big 10 pirating Mizzou from the SEC, and the SEC taking WVa. from the Big XII--making the Big XII bogie 7 schools. Tulane's best chances are with the ACC and Big XII, with an outside shot at the SEC if the other SEC schools pressure LSU to cease their resistance. Fitts, Dannen, Fritz and Dunleavy have to be preparing for this day. As you said, hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake--something Cowen could never understand.
after watching A&M and Arkansas get their ass handed to them on a regular basis OU and the University of Texas @ Austin want nothing to do with the SEC grinder and why should they...they will bide their time in the Big 12 until the PAC 12 comes calling
The PAC 12 will definitely come calling on OU and UT, but I'm not sure OU and UT will take the bait. I'm guessing that OU and UT will work through their love/hate relationship and realize that they are both still better off being the top dogs of their own conference. Plus the travel to the west coast would be brutal over the long haul--Colorado is already finding that out.
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:14 pm

golfnut69 wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:
golfnut69 wrote:not sure why the Big 12 needs expansion...the NCAA caved and gave them a championship game...split the money 10 ways...while I do think they need a "link' to WVU, I don't think they are losing sleep over it
Well, the Big 12’s only real issue is recruiting in that they could really benefit from expanding their recruiting grounds. While it’s true that the Big 12 has 6 of the top 2018 classes, they could benefit from adding new areas that have more elite recruits (Ohio, Louisiana, and Pennsylvania) in order to give the top programs more top players and to build better depth in the middle/bottom of the conference.
The Big 12 has recruiting issues...please list them, and I will forward them directly to the Big 12 office for immediate consideration of expansion...last I looked Ohio State and LSU are coming to Texas for recruits...I just checked LSU's early signings...3 from Texas...3 from Mississippi...1 from Alabama and ! from New York...if Louisiana has such great talent, why all of the imports ?
Defensive recruiting. Aside from UT and OU this year, the Big 12 generally has a gap between the quality of their offensive recruits and the quality of their defensive recruits. Part of that is that Texas high schools do not generate as many quality defensive linemen due to having to adapt to Texas high school offenses, and part of that is because some of the few quality defensive players in the state go to programs outside the Big 12.

While the Big 12 may be in the process of changing that with Oklahoma State firing its DC of 10 years after the 2017 season, Patterson's success at TCU, and the additions of Orlando (Texas DC), Snow (Baylor DC), and whoever ISU's DC is, it's still an issue that could be rectified by recruiting elsewhere.

As a side note, 12/18 of Oklahoma's current 2018 signees are from outside TX. 7/19 at TCU and 6/19 at Texas.
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