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Socialism has now filtered into high school sports. Public separates from private in La HS football. Seems like modern day segregation to me.
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Mike said it well: "It's a sad day for the LHSAA," Jesuit Principal Mike Giambelluca said. "Thankfully it wasn't the major proposal that would've affected all sports, which would've been an atom bomb as far as the integrity of the playoff system, but I think this is certainly a chink in the armor, and in the experience of other Jesuit schools in other states that have gone this way, those have not turned out well in any respect.

"By having two separate playoff brackets, it reduces the integrity of both, it lessens the meaningfulness of both and it does nothing for our kids but just teach them that if things don't go your way, you can just create artificial means of awarding championships and that somehow that's gonna stand. Well life's not like that … It's just a sad day, and that's the best way I can sum it up. There's going to be so many unintended consequences of this that nobody can even anticipate. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the state legislature get involved."
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It's totally stupid. Brother Martin last was in a football state championship in 1989, last won one in 1971. Jesuit hasnt been in a State Championship since 1978. Rummel won their 1st state championship in their 40+ year history this year. Holy Cross hasnt won state since Christ was a Carpenter. Meanwhile West Monroe has won God knows how many state championships. Barbe's principal was complaining, of course they were in the State Championship this year and have been in numerous and won several Baseball State Championships. Also at fault here is JT Curtis who has created a school built entirely around football and beat the crap out of small schools for 3 decades. This is eventually going to spill into the other sports and ruin high school sports in Louisiana.
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Unfortunately the end game here is a situation where they split for all sports with the Private Schools refusing to play the public schools in anything including scrimmages. The Privates would then withdraw from the LHSAA and form their own Association which would then allow them to freely award Athletic Scholarships to whomever they want because the LHSAA would no longer be able to govern them. They would also form their own officiating association and steal all the good officials from the Public System. With the exception of Curtis and Evangel, most Private schools have been playing by the rules imposed by a Public run system, if they really want to allow us to recruit openly with available scholarships to higher rated academic institutions so be it. It's insane that somehow 2 schools are allowed to railroad an entire system.
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As a transplant, I don't understand this situation. It seems as if no one is on board for this, though I will say in many parts of the northeast private schools are separated but that has t do with the fact that there are far less (comparatively) and they have much smaller enrollments/goals.
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Basically two smaller Private Schools John Curtis and Evangel have Top 50 Nationally Football Programs every year and are running football factories and have been for decades. A few of the smaller private schools in their classes decided they've had enough and basically forced a decision to split the entities in two based solely on those two schools. Then politics got involved and in reality Louisiana is 3 states (North Louisiana, South Louisiana, and New Orleans) and the public schools from North and South voted pretty much in bloc for the split. Most New Orleans area public schools voted against because the majority of the large Private schools are in the New Orleans area and it would kill several rivalries as well as make it harder not only to schedule games, but get officials because the officials will end up officiating Private School games not to mention the Private schools bring the most people to games and bring the biggest gates. I know this from experience, but even at the 8th and 9th grade levels when Public Schools have tournaments in basketball and baseball they always bring in the Catholic Schools for the gates. Generally speaking Jesuit, BM, HC, Rummel, etc are not true Private schools in the sense that Private schools are in other states. Because of the poor public school systems in Orleans and Jefferson and the long standing tradition of those schools (Jesuit and BM are 130+ years old) we pretty much are the Big Public Schools for white kids and middle to upper middle class Black kids of this area. It makes the whole situation difficult to figure out. Pretty much if you removed John Curtis and Evangel from the situation there wouldn't be a problem. Kicking the entire Catholic League out is completely ridiculous. The Catholic League has 1 football state championship in the last 20 years and it was this year with Rummel and it only happened because West Monroe choked away a 3 TD lead in 5 minutes. Instead of dealing with the 2 schools they just blew up the entire system.
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They voided that decision today. Thank goodness.
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tpstulane wrote:They voided that decision today. Thank goodness.
This was voided because there is a clause in the LHSAA by laws ......this may change at the next general assembly this summer
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It worked out pretty well for Jesuit.
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on my last visit to NOLA about 7 weeks ago, I visited one of my former Coach's...I played for him at Metairie, Jr Hi,7th thru 9th grades and for one year at East Jeff before he left for what is now Brother Martin where he was an assistant football coach and head baseball coach... We spoke on many subjects, but as usual it came back to former players and careers...he told me the biggest cheater in Louisiana High School Football were schools that little Johnny could enroll at the 6th grade or in some case 1st thru 12 grade... the ball players, for one reason all seem to "repeat" ..at the request of the concerned parent for the academic welfare of Johnny the 7th or 8th grade .... thus little Johnny would be age 19 and have one more year of weight room training when they graduated vs 17 or 18 for everyone else.. The Coach named several schools who participated in this practice, but for this forum will be nameless ...he also had a classic Jim Pittman story, but that is for another forum / thread
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as predicited...and it is now going into more sports

http://sportsnola.com/lhsaa-executive-c ... 013-split/

Steve...TPS...I know somewhere we already have a thread on this...please merge....thanks
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sader24 wrote:(Jesuit and BM are 130+ years old)
You must be thinking of Jesuit and Holy Cross. BM is Cor Jesu, established 1954, with a name change and same location. St. Aloysius closed.
sader24 wrote:The Catholic League has 1 football state championship in the last 20 years and it was this year with Rummel and it only happened because West Monroe choked away a 3 TD lead in 5 minutes.

That's pretty sad. There was a tournament and Rummel won it, beating the team that West Monroe "choked" to, pretty handily as I recall.

All of that foolishness aside, that was the last true champion. Everything else, including Rummel's 2013 "repeat" is bogus imo.
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Aloysius and BM are essentially the same school on Cor Jesu grounds. All part of same Alumni Assn. etc. thanks for the history lesson on the schools that my whole family has graduated from though.
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sader24 wrote:Aloysius and BM are essentially the same school on Cor Jesu grounds. All part of same Alumni Assn. etc. thanks for the history lesson on the schools that my whole family has graduated from though.
If I remember correctly when the schools merged to become BM, the school colors, red / gold were Cor Jesu and the nickname Crusaders was Aloysius...
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And they used the Aloysius fight song with the changed words---Loved that fight song---"We gonna fight for our Alma Mater for Aloysius Crimson and White"------not quite as good as the Warren Easton and Jesuit tunes however!!!
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Great fight song, definitely better than Jesuits, and I don't know Warren Eastons. Brother Martin the guy the school is named after was vehemently against naming it that and wanted to keep it Aloysius b/c Aloysius had 100 years of history and Alums. He foresaw the divide it would cause and how much it would infuriate many Aloysius alums. W/o a doubt the biggest mistake in the entire trio of schools history and a mistake they are still paying for today. Many Aloysius alums sent their kids to Jesuit and elsewhere with no connection remaining to the school and they lost out on a whole lot of fundraising over the years. They've bridged the gap somewhat, especially with Benson's gifts, but if Brother Martin had been Aloysius all these years I think we'd be on par with Jesuit academically and alumni wise instead of a distant 2nd.
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exflash wrote:And they used the Aloysius fight song with the changed words---Loved that fight song---"We gonna fight for our Alma Mater for Aloysius Crimson and White"------not quite as good as the Warren Easton and Jesuit tunes however!!!
I went to Aloysius Football games just about every week end for a few years... I have a cousin who is a few years older than myself, who played QB for the Crusaders and ran Track for them as well, before playing DB for Bill Yeoman at UH ... Andy Douglas was the Aloysius Football Coach. I still remember playing several Basketball games at the Aloysius gym, what a nightmare place to play !!!!.. Today, there are walk in closets that are larger !!! When I played High School ball there were several nice places to play..Chalmette had a palace, Redemtorist was very nice, it had a unique floor for it's time, and of course DeLA Salle with it's second floor place was unique. There was a high school off Causeway Blvd and Jefferson Highway, if I remember correctly it was "John Martin" it was a very very nice gym, with a great floor..we also played at Frank Lemon playground on causeway blvd on Saturday afternoons
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sader24 wrote:Great fight song, definitely better than Jesuits, and I don't know Warren Eastons. Brother Martin the guy the school is named after was vehemently against naming it that and wanted to keep it Aloysius b/c Aloysius had 100 years of history and Alums. He foresaw the divide it would cause and how much it would infuriate many Aloysius alums. W/o a doubt the biggest mistake in the entire trio of schools history and a mistake they are still paying for today. Many Aloysius alums sent their kids to Jesuit and elsewhere with no connection remaining to the school and they lost out on a whole lot of fundraising over the years. They've bridged the gap somewhat, especially with Benson's gifts, but if Brother Martin had been Aloysius all these years I think we'd be on par with Jesuit academically and alumni wise instead of a distant 2nd.
At least you have a decent fight song. I got stuck with a reworded version of LSU's fight song, of all things! That's what happens when you come in late to the party. Rummel was founded in 1962, but you'd have thought they could create their own fight song. Maybe I should have gone to Warren Easton like my dad did. :)
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Actually is back to what is right...why should I have to play against schools that have an unfair advantage of where I can get my players from, hell there was a time when Holy Cross had a dorm for the kids from Mississippi who played there, yet if I am East Jeff, I can only have the players from the parish line to jeff hwy to the lake to Transcontinental drive...plus I do not have the advantage of "red shirting' my players like John Curits, Evangel, Parkview Baptisit and the rest of the "select" minority in number, schools do... please find posted below Ken Trahans, sopping , heart wrenching, gut twisiting, sleepless night BS article..

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Curtis, Evangel, etc, I agree with, but that's been extended by definition to every Catholic and Private school in the state? I dare say there's a much larger pool of students to choose from at John Ehret or Karr than there is at Rummel or Holy Cross. Rummel's enrollment is half what it was when I went to school there, and its more expensive than ever. And just how many times was the 5A title won by a private school, compared to a public school? I seem to remember a lot of titles going to Destrehan, Hahnville, West Monroe, etc.

So we're really back to the "let everyone get a trophy so their feelings won't be hurt" BS.

And golf, as for the "redshirting" comment, I can guarantee you that doesn't happen at schools like Rummel, Jesuit etc., because if you can't make the grades, you're gone. It's VERY rare that a student repeats a grade at the same school. If they can't make up the subject in summer school, they're asked to leave. The unaddressed problem is when you have kids sent to John Curtis in first grade, and the best athletes are taught the system, so by the time their in 8th grade they know it like Drew Brees knows Sean Payton's offense. THAT's the real advantage. Experience in the program, and its not addressed AT ALL.
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RobertM320 wrote:Curtis, Evangel, etc, I agree with, but that's been extended by definition to every Catholic and Private school in the state? I dare say there's a much larger pool of students to choose from at John Ehret or Karr than there is at Rummel or Holy Cross. Rummel's enrollment is half what it was when I went to school there, and its more expensive than ever. And just how many times was the 5A title won by a private school, compared to a public school? I seem to remember a lot of titles going to Destrehan, Hahnville, West Monroe, etc.

So we're really back to the "let everyone get a trophy so their feelings won't be hurt" BS.

And golf, as for the "redshirting" comment, I can guarantee you that doesn't happen at schools like Rummel, Jesuit etc., because if you can't make the grades, you're gone. It's VERY rare that a student repeats a grade at the same school. If they can't make up the subject in summer school, they're asked to leave. The unaddressed problem is when you have kids sent to John Curtis in first grade, and the best athletes are taught the system, so by the time their in 8th grade they know it like Drew Brees knows Sean Payton's offense. THAT's the real advantage. Experience in the program, and its not addressed AT ALL.
A public school has a 'larger pool' to draw from...really ?!?!?...if you are a private / catholic school you have zero borders to worry about, the whole state and in theory every state in the union and country in the world is your recruiting ground...look no further that the "IMG Academy' in Florida. The red shirt program is alive and well, instead of using the 8th grade it is now the 7th grade...and it is not RARE, just look at the average age of a John Curtis football player at graduation, they are all 19 years old..as I post earlier, a long time coach from Brother Martin called all private schools cheaters
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IMG Academy is exactly the type of place that is an issue. But Rummel's not drawing kids from Texas and Arizona to come play football. And I agree with the Curtis issue of starting at 1st grade.

How do you explain a school like Destrehan? Our entire population on the East Bank of the river in St. Charles Parish is < 20K. The school has 1300 students. They don't recruit from everywhere. And yet, they've won MULTIPLE titles in the past 10 years and are a constant contender. The schools in greater New Orleans have a much larger pool of population to draw from.

Did anyone ever think that maybe its more a case of coaching? New Orleans public schools can't pay their coaches and staffs what a private school does, so where do you think the best coaches end up? Just like teachers. And didn't we just see what happens the last four years when coaching sucks? Just like Coach Fritz can take lesser players and coach them up, the coaches at the private schools coach their kids up better, and also probably get more kids with a proper work ethic and attitude to be successful to work with.
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Actually is back to what is right...why should I have to play against schools that have an unfair advantage of where I can get my players from, hell there was a time when Holy Cross had a dorm for the kids from Mississippi who played there, yet if I am East Jeff, I can only have the players from the parish line to jeff hwy to the lake to Transcontinental drive...plus I do not have the advantage of "red shirting' my players like John Curits, Evangel, Parkview Baptisit and the rest of the "select" minority in number, schools do... please find posted below Ken Trahans, sopping , heart wrenching, gut twisiting, sleepless night BS article..

http://sportsnola.com/time-public-priva ... pes-unity/
The entire separation was to punish Curtis. Other then Curtis and Rummel very few if any privates have won state championships in the last 20 years or so. Why is segregation OK when I comes to athletics and integration is OK want to comes to academics?
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