http://dallas.sbnation.com/2012/7/13/31 ... june-jones
Article includes thoughts about TCU and SMU as well as "small time" stadium issues... Steve feel free to move to whatever previous thread U wish...I just did not want it to get "lost" on page 44 until it could be noted by the masses
Interesting thoughts for a similar situation
Yes, it does say that a stadium is key. If your read it, it got to this point because of SMU's on the field improvement. It got them an invite to the Big East. Bottom line is that they improved and won and are now faced with the good problem of improving their stadium. I'll take that chain of events.
'Here's a song for the Olive and the Blue"
Moving to the big least is not a great improvement. Their stadium will continue to sit empty. They built small time and their lack of attendance shows that that is how the program is perceived. Our stadium will seat 10,000 less so if he thinks their stadium is a joke imagine what he'd say about ours. Ours can only be expanded to the size of theirs currently. They have the space to expand to 50,000. Now if he was writing about the Dome he'd say we have a great stadium we just need to commit to the program w/higher salaries,bigger recruiting budgets, an IPF and an academic center.
BAYWAVE&Sophandros are SPINELESS COWARDS
YOU NEED LEVERAGE TO BE PROACTIVE!
Small time facilities for small time programs
6-4-23:Now all of the mistakes Tulane has made finally catches up with them as they descend to CUSAAC.
YOU NEED LEVERAGE TO BE PROACTIVE!
Small time facilities for small time programs
6-4-23:Now all of the mistakes Tulane has made finally catches up with them as they descend to CUSAAC.
-
- Riptide
- Posts: 4716
- Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:33 pm
- Status: Offline
That very much appears to be a stadium that truly was built with expansion in mind with the open end zone and the field actually sunken down to below street level.winwave wrote:Moving to the big least is not a great improvement. Their stadium will continue to sit empty. They built small time and their lack of attendance shows that that is how the program is perceived. Our stadium will seat 10,000 less so if he thinks their stadium is a joke imagine what he'd say about ours. Ours can only be expanded to the size of theirs currently. They have the space to expand to 50,000. Now if he was writing about the Dome he'd say we have a great stadium we just need to commit to the program w/higher salaries,bigger recruiting budgets, an IPF and an academic center.
The proposed Tulane mini-stadium may well be expandable in theory but in actual practice with the small space where it will be and the presence of buildings all around it it's probably going to be really tricky to handle, not to mention costly.
I expect that Cowen will retire not long after the stadium opens and then whether or not it will be expanded will be something for whoever comes in to handle. I also expect that unless Tulane is rolling along like crazy, like, say winning around at least 9 games a season and sustaining such performance over the course of at least 3-4 seasons, which is, of course, without precedent since the early 1930's, that the novelty effect that might boost regular attendance for a little while right after the facility opens will wear away and Tulane-versus-C-USA opposition is going to be a difficult item to sell to people. It might very well be a difficult item to sell even if Tulane starts to enjoy such unprecedented success given the nature of college football today and what's available to watch on tv.
Tulane sports: small football stadium, very small basketball arena, w̶i̶n̶n̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶g̶r̶a̶m̶s̶, h̶o̶n̶e̶s̶t̶y̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶a̶c̶c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶a̶b̶i̶l̶i̶t̶y̶ , but, hey, now there's tailgating.
-
- Riptide
- Posts: 4716
- Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:33 pm
- Status: Offline
But if you read that article closely you had to notice how the writer made an issue out of the stadium being nice but still not quite a big-time item. He was definitely critical of it.TURVS71 wrote:Yes, it does say that a stadium is key. If your read it, it got to this point because of SMU's on the field improvement. It got them an invite to the Big East. Bottom line is that they improved and won and are now faced with the good problem of improving their stadium. I'll take that chain of events.
Also, the story with SMU is that they had opened that stadium in 2000, I believe, but still didn't really start to get rolling with on-field success until a couple of years ago when they shelled out some serious money to bring June Jones there and then still, even with some fair-to-good success success on the field in recent times, they aren't exactly packing the fans in and a large part of the reason is the regular opposition that they play.
Everyone should take heed because this is exactly what's going to happen with the new Tulane mini-stadium that people seem to be continually saying is going to be such a "shot in the arm" for the program.
Tulane sports: small football stadium, very small basketball arena, w̶i̶n̶n̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶g̶r̶a̶m̶s̶, h̶o̶n̶e̶s̶t̶y̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶a̶c̶c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶a̶b̶i̶l̶i̶t̶y̶ , but, hey, now there's tailgating.
-
- Green Wave
- Posts: 9299
- Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:54 pm
- Status: Offline
C'mon, man. Once again you aren't being honest in your assessment, reading only what you want to read and want to believe. The author was not complementary of the stadium.TURVS71 wrote:Yes, it does say that a stadium is key. If your read it, it got to this point because of SMU's on the field improvement. It got them an invite to the Big East. Bottom line is that they improved and won and are now faced with the good problem of improving their stadium. I'll take that chain of events.
andSecondly, the stadium needs to be more of a spectacle. If you want big-time college football, you need a big time home field. A lot of the top prospects the school needs to recruit played in more awe-inspiring stadiums in high school. Ford Field is a nice foundation, but the capacity is shameful by big-time college football standards
The OCS which you support is substantially smaller than the capacity which the author labeled "shameful".The importance of a stadium cannot be overstated. It is the physical representation of the program that sets the tone for the school, a cathedral dedicated to the program. A glorified high school stadium is not the proper platform for a team attempting to make it to the big-time. For a revealing contrast, look no further than the massive renovations that have gone on to get Amon Carter ready for the Big 12.
The author was extremely critical and damning of a stadium that seat 10,000 more than ours will. He also said SMU needs to play more meaningful games. He also stated that it's hard to impress recruits with a stadium that's the same size as their high school stadiums. Gormley holds 26,500, CowDick will hold in between 23,500 and 25,000. So there you go.
-
- Riptide
- Posts: 2706
- Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:45 pm
- Status: Offline
Seats. Including SRO it will seat 30k right?CowDick will hold in between 23,500 and 25,000. So there you go.
Gerald J. Ford stadium has a capacity of 32k. You know who has done much better than SMU in similar sized stadiums? Boise State, Cincinnati, Houston. Stadium size is only important to a certain extent. The real problem is the fan base. SMU hasn't been able to fill that stadium.
Bad analogy. All those schools are going to 50,000 seats and spending more on that than we are on a complete stadium. To be legit and be able to bring in opponents fans want to see 50,000 is the number.
BAYWAVE&Sophandros are SPINELESS COWARDS
YOU NEED LEVERAGE TO BE PROACTIVE!
Small time facilities for small time programs
6-4-23:Now all of the mistakes Tulane has made finally catches up with them as they descend to CUSAAC.
YOU NEED LEVERAGE TO BE PROACTIVE!
Small time facilities for small time programs
6-4-23:Now all of the mistakes Tulane has made finally catches up with them as they descend to CUSAAC.
-
- Riptide
- Posts: 2706
- Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:45 pm
- Status: Offline
Yet, none of their stadiums started out at 50k. Therefore, I stand by my analogy.winwave wrote:Bad analogy. All those schools are going to 50,000 seats and spending more on that than we are on a complete stadium. To be legit and be able to bring in opponents fans want to see 50,000 is the number.
Afraid not. Their stadiums all sat at least 10,000 more than ours and they started their moves when there was still time to do so. The window is barely open if open at all now and so all the more reason we need to go 50,000 from the outset. But fact is there is no space for that so just stay in the dome like the coach wants and win consistently against quality opposition and we can get in.
BAYWAVE&Sophandros are SPINELESS COWARDS
YOU NEED LEVERAGE TO BE PROACTIVE!
Small time facilities for small time programs
6-4-23:Now all of the mistakes Tulane has made finally catches up with them as they descend to CUSAAC.
YOU NEED LEVERAGE TO BE PROACTIVE!
Small time facilities for small time programs
6-4-23:Now all of the mistakes Tulane has made finally catches up with them as they descend to CUSAAC.
SRO cant be considered part of the capacity, sorry. If I say my house is worth $450,000 but nobody is willing to pay more than $350,000 it isnt worth $450,000. Nobody is buying SRO only tickets and if they do it might be several dozen people. If we are going by SRO the Superdome can hold 100,000. The 30,000 number complete B.S.