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2018 D1 Baseball Poll
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:20 am
by tpstulane
Only Houston gets ranked in the AAC
8 SEC teams in the top 16 to start the RPI bias for 2018.
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d1
Re: 2018 D1 Baseball Poll
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:55 am
by Pepper
Re: 2018 D1 Baseball Poll
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:01 am
by golfnut69
Pepper wrote:
Only 8? I'm shocked!
makes total sense...the schools are located in "warm weather" states, Like Florida, Carolina's, Tennessee, Louisiana..as opposed to climate changing states such as Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas
Re: 2018 D1 Baseball Poll
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:13 pm
by Pepper
golfnut69 wrote:Pepper wrote:
Only 8? I'm shocked!
makes total sense...the schools are located in "warm weather" states, Like Florida, Carolina's, Tennessee, Louisiana..as opposed to climate changing states such as Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas
Makes no sense that #25 Duke who went 30-28 is over UCF 40-22 & USF 42-18.
Re: 2018 D1 Baseball Poll
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:36 pm
by Profoundwizard
There is no RPI Bias. RPI is a formula and it doesn’t take into account any polls
Re: 2018 D1 Baseball Poll
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:15 pm
by tpstulane
Profoundwizard wrote:
There is no RPI Bias. RPI is a formula and it doesn’t take into account any polls
I know that it’s a formula. But the part of the formula is based on strength of schedule and if you’re playing ranked teams like the SEC plays each other it goes into the formula. It’s a self fulfilling process. If you had none of them ranked it would hurt their RPI’s. Unfortunately they start with this and go forward.
Replace those 8 SEC schools with the AAC and you’d see our league RPI start at No. 1
Re: 2018 D1 Baseball Poll
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:21 pm
by Profoundwizard
You are wrong. The strength of schedule is based on your opponents records and the records of their opponents. The RPI formula doesn’t even know if a team is ranked in the D1 baseball poll or any other poll for that matter.
Re: 2018 D1 Baseball Poll
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:47 pm
by anEngineer
Profoundwizard wrote:You are wrong. The strength of schedule is based on your opponents records and the records of their opponents. The RPI formula doesn’t even know if a team is ranked in the D1 baseball poll or any other poll for that matter.
Of course there is a assumption-based bias in RPI. There has to be. The only way to prove Team A from the SEC is better than Team B from AAC is for them to play each other. Since that did not happen, it resorts to comparing the teams they did play. SEC schools are assumed to be better before any games are played. From that point, they have to prove that they are not as good as originally thought, but the only games they lose are to other SEC schools who are also assumed to be elite; therefore the losses don't hurt them as much. By contrast AAC conference games can't boost RPI because pre-season assumptions have created a lower bar.
This is always the problem with pre-season rankings in every sport. It's probably unavoidable because there is no way to know who will be better or worse than thought, but to deny that the pre-season rankings stacks the deck for the rest of the season is ridiculous.
Re: 2018 D1 Baseball Poll
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:44 pm
by tpstulane
anEngineer wrote:Profoundwizard wrote:You are wrong. The strength of schedule is based on your opponents records and the records of their opponents. The RPI formula doesn’t even know if a team is ranked in the D1 baseball poll or any other poll for that matter.
Of course there is a assumption-based bias in RPI. There has to be. The only way to prove Team A from the SEC is better than Team B from AAC is for them to play each other. Since that did not happen, it resorts to comparing the teams they did play. SEC schools are assumed to be better before any games are played. From that point, they have to prove that they are not as good as originally thought, but the only games they lose are to other SEC schools who are also assumed to be elite; therefore the losses don't hurt them as much. By contrast AAC conference games can't boost RPI because pre-season assumptions have created a lower bar.
This is always the problem with pre-season rankings in every sport. It's probably unavoidable because there is no way to know who will be better or worse than thought, but to deny that the pre-season rankings stacks the deck for the rest of the season is ridiculous.
Thanks for explaining clearly. That’s the point I was trying to make.
Re: 2018 D1 Baseball Poll
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:53 pm
by Profoundwizard
And youre both still wrong. These preseason polls and even in season polls have zero bearing on the RPI.
You said "SEC schools are assumed to be better any games are played". That's incorrect in terms of RPI. Take a look at the RPI formula for yourselves. For these rankings to matter for the RPI they would have to be factored into the formula. They are not. Everyone starts off with the same blank slate in the RPI.
Re: 2018 D1Baseball Poll
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:02 pm
by tpstulane
Profoundwizard wrote:And youre both still wrong. These preseason polls and even in season polls have zero bearing on the RPI.
You said "SEC schools are assumed to be better any games are played". That's incorrect in terms of RPI. Take a look at the RPI formula for yourselves. For these rankings to matter for the RPI they would have to be factored into the formula. They are not. Everyone starts off with the same blank slate in the RPI.
My frustration on the SEC bias lies with the selection committee when it comes to RPI. They use RPI when they want it to fit their criteria. They keep teams out with high RPI’s because they’ll claim they didn’t play a tough schedule yet they may take a team with a lower RPI if they deem their schedule was “tough”. In the end it always seems to benefit SEC schools. So the fact that they start 8 in the top 16 plays right into that narrative.
Re: 2018 D1Baseball Poll
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:18 am
by swampnik
tpstulane wrote:Profoundwizard wrote:And youre both still wrong. These preseason polls and even in season polls have zero bearing on the RPI.
You said "SEC schools are assumed to be better any games are played". That's incorrect in terms of RPI. Take a look at the RPI formula for yourselves. For these rankings to matter for the RPI they would have to be factored into the formula. They are not. Everyone starts off with the same blank slate in the RPI.
My frustration on the SEC bias lies with the selection committee when it comes to RPI. They use RPI when they want it to fit their criteria. They keep teams out with high RPI’s because they’ll claim they didn’t play a tough schedule yet they may take a team with a lower RPI if they deem their schedule was “tough”. In the end it always seems to benefit SEC schools. So the fact that they start 8 in the top 16 plays right into that narrative.
Cept no one can hold a good Houston Baptist team down! (wink)
Re: 2018 D1Baseball Poll
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:27 am
by golfnut69
swampnik wrote:tpstulane wrote:Profoundwizard wrote:And youre both still wrong. These preseason polls and even in season polls have zero bearing on the RPI.
You said "SEC schools are assumed to be better any games are played". That's incorrect in terms of RPI. Take a look at the RPI formula for yourselves. For these rankings to matter for the RPI they would have to be factored into the formula. They are not. Everyone starts off with the same blank slate in the RPI.
My frustration on the SEC bias lies with the selection committee when it comes to RPI. They use RPI when they want it to fit their criteria. They keep teams out with high RPI’s because they’ll claim they didn’t play a tough schedule yet they may take a team with a lower RPI if they deem their schedule was “tough”. In the end it always seems to benefit SEC schools. So the fact that they start 8 in the top 16 plays right into that narrative.
Cept no one can hold a good Houston Baptist team down! (wink)
Colin Montgomery did play his college golf there, after he was cut from the University of Houston team